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So here's something new, or rather, three new things:

Li'l Guys ep 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kldj_NmR7oo

Li'l Guys ep 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2_X0FS2e4o

Checking out a Vaio C1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6257z3lui8

Okay, so, so, let me explain. It's complicated.

First, a technical note: These are not final drafts, because I'm going to be releasing them publicly over such a large timespan that the patron credits would get badly out of date. So comments are disabled, and errors are expected, because I will absolutely be uploading new versions with credits before release.

Now, as for the Pivot I'm doing here:

I've wanted to produce lower effort work for years. Not lower-quality, of course, I don't want to make filler, but I'm sick of every single video eating up at least a week and often two, including days and days of scriptwriting which doesn't always result in a better experience. Sometimes it does, but other times I think "wow, all those rewrites weren't really necessary." And besides that, the fact that I'm presenting everything in a didactic way forces me to go with my best achievable standards, and make every single minor error stand out like a sore thumb, and... it's just exhausting, especially on things so unimportant that it should hardly matter if I'm 100% correct.

I wouldn't say I'm burning out, per se, but it's more like I can see how I would, eventually. More importantly though, I'm just running into so  many things that can't hold up to a scripted shoot. I have things to talk about and things to say about them, but they just aren't worth the pomp and circumstance of going to the studio and figuring out blocking and doing 20 takes and having to go back and find parking and do another take just because I said "windows vista" when I meant "windows 7." I have been struggling for years to figure out how to write about these things without so much overhead, and I think the answer is that I shouldn't write, I should just talk. So this is that.

What I've always wanted to do with my channel is an intel-style tick/tock approach, where I release a "big" video, then a "small" one, and repeat. And the ideal is that the small videos are so easy to produce that I can actually build up a backlog - which, as you see, I've done. I now have four finished and unreleased videos; I've never had a backlog like this before, at best it was one. I could actually carry my channel for the next month without shooting any new footage, which is a huge weight off my shoulders.

This is possible because I scripted nothing, looked things up on the fly while shooting, used a single tiny camera that shoots at much lower bitrate stuck on a manfrotto magic arm, and stopped caring whether the angles or lighting were perfect or if I got everything exactly right. It worked; I was able to shoot and edit each of these in a single day, and I think the result is still something I'm proud of.

I don't think pivoting entirely to this style of Content would be wise or desirable, either to the audience or me; I am proud of the production level of my usual stuff, and I think most of my work stands up to being scripted and properly lit and whatnot, but I'll tell you this: I am way, way more capable of delivering this kind of video on a regular basis, and I still think it's more engaging than most "vlog" style work, if I do say so myself.

I intend to start mixing these in to my release schedule (such as it is.) The question of course is when and how I should put them on Patreon. My inclination is to just post them the moment they're done, but that could end up being like, four separate patron releases in a week sometimes (like now.) A couple people have already said that seems intimidating, and I wouldn't want to overload you all with a backlog, so I'm not sure if I should space these out by at least a few days, or what. Thoughts and comments invited, and I hope you enjoy the new style.

Comments

Frédérique Merizen

I am wildly speculating here, but wouldn't releasing a patreon version and then a final version hurt your engagement score (because the algorithm wouldn't see an initial spike of activity from the patrons)? I really don't know what I'm talking about, just thought I'd speak up and get an opportunity to get corrected.

cathoderaydude

No prob, it's a complicated thing. The fact is that I don't really get much engagement from patrons on videos - maybe a few hundred views and a couple dozen comments don't hold a candle to the views and well over 1000 comments I get within a couple days after a proper release, and as far as I know, anything that happens when a video is unlisted basically doesn't count for anything. I could be wrong, but TBH I end up reuploading almost every single video at least once (my release versions are often RC3 or RC4) so I lose all my comments and views anyway. In the end, I don't really care about the algorithm that much; I'm sure I'll do fine, I just want to do right by the people who are supporting me directly.

Zen The Fox

Truly a 3 of them moment :D Can't wait to binge these >w<

William Gray

I love industrial control systems and PCs, so I'm glad to have more 'little guys' episodes. I love the answer to the question of how do we keep controlling this CNC machine when it's impossible to use the original controller. These machines are so expensive and/or so specialized that they expect to keep using these things for 50 years. What do you do when it's not practical to keep loading stuff on to floppy disks any more?

Redqueenrunning

Little Guys! Please keep making these, I want to use the videos to justify to my BF why I keep buying them.

JRegnath

Hey, somewhat new here. I really enjoy these types of videos and I totally understand the reasons for producing certain videos in this format. One thing I would suggest is to keep the background a little more visually clean. That would make these videos a tiny bit more pleasing to watch. But other than that, video is great, audio is great, and your presentation style is perfect. Keep em coming! Greetings from Germany

Tom Buck

This sounds like a great workflow change. I’ve done something similar with my channel for quite a while and it really helps keep the whole thing sustainable. I tried experimenting and moving away from it last year…and it was awful. Totally hated it and have spent the past several months getting back on track. I move that you said “low effort =/= low quality”.

Chas Becht

I've seen a few approaches to this. There's the "just release two mega videos a year" approach. Or the main channel/secondary channel approach. Or the frequent release on Instagram/twitch/whatever and long form infrequent release on YouTube approach. I think they all work, but it's probably most effective to optimize for what works for the creator rather than the audience. If you burn out and stop making content, it doesn't matter what we want. If you stay happy and productive, you'll find your audience. That's my two cents. Although for what it's worth, I both enjoy the short form off the cuff content, and appreciate the occasional obsessively researched monolith.

Chas Becht

The "Let's ignore the Internet" overlay is 🔥. I'm going to need more of that in my life. Also, in case you don't already know, emmc is embedded multi media card, which is basically just the guts of an SD card soldered to a PCB. You can desolder those chips and transplant them to breakout PCB and just stick them into an SD slot to read/write to them.

UntouchedWagons

I have one of those IODD ST400's (I have the ST300 model), it's great.

Curtis Duncan

I agree with your suggestion. It would be a little easier to watch and know what we're focusing on, but it's not a huge deal. Gravis I'm a huge fan of all your work, even you thrift store EDC kit that you thought was a throwaway. The new low effort but still high quality Little Guys video was great too.

Curtis Duncan

I'm also curious if your TV equipment, the big cameras and stuff like that could come back in a similar format. Low effort and unscripted. That's the gear you talked about when I started watching, and it could be cool to see a return. But if it's still not interesting enough to you, then it ain't worth it.

cathoderaydude

Thanks, I will take this into consideration. Part of the value of doing a ad hoc video like this is not needing to have everything pristine In order to start shooting, but I will see if I can keep the bench clearer, and I'm planning on putting a solid color surface down so that should help some with legibility. Really glad you're liking the videos, it's a huge reassurance since I've been wanting to diversify my format for a long time!

Drew Hoffman

I see a lot of CNC machines and MIDI synthesizers with the same Gotek floppy emulators you might use on a retro PC.

Xaviette Katzenfrau

Would it be a correct assumption that your recent live streams of just Tinkering was like a pilot program for this style of video to see if anyone would be interested in that? Just because the vibes feel similar between this and stuff like the Messing Around With A Prosumer Titler stream (in a good way, to be clear).

cathoderaydude

I'd say it's more like the other way around - the livestreams are so much fun, and draw in so much viewership (200 people watching a stream is already impressive by the standards of this kind of stream; having that happen on a _side channel_ is unbelievable) that I just kept thinking, you know, I need to replicate this in a non-live setting, it just doesn't make sense not to. And then I got sick last year, and had to do a video from home, and that worked so much better than I expected that I just kept thinking about it. Then I picked up the GH5, which is *sorta* useful for thrifting but turns out to be even *more* useful for ad-hoc shoots at home, and I just had to see if I could make it work. The success of the boifun video pretty much established that it would, so I wanted to go further, and here we are.

cathoderaydude

i gotta think about it, because those depend so heavily on video sources which are much easier to get in a studio environment, but yeah, maybe!

Matthew Turner

Your use of the word didactic is so interesting, that's probably the key. Not every video you make needs to be the single most exhaustive video ever made on a subject. when it does - I say go full documentary and check every detail, and script every word. But when it doesn't - freestyle it, relax and have fun.

Matthew Turner

I dunno, I find the clutter kind of charming :-)

skyhawk

Regarding the Dell thin-client, that looks like a M.2 2242 form factor. There are SATA and NVMe drives available in this form-factor. As to what that connector is physically wired up for, I have no idea. Regarding the installer/partition process crashing, maybe try blowing away the storage and it's partition table with a `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/emmc0` and see if having a blank slate helps?

🦊

I'd almost buy one of those Dell Wyse systems just to look at the OS, but I don't feel like spending the £30 for the 80% likelihood it was prewiped. Broker likely refers to something like an RDS Connection Broker - acts like a proxy and directs users to one of however many actual session hosts (the machines that actually run the desktop environment), so machines can go up and down without affecting users too much

cathoderaydude

You can download ThinOS from Dell's site for free - ostensibly the "Merlin" images are for reinstallation. I will try to remember to test this.

Snuguru Maestro

I'm behind you all the way. Whatever you choose to do. You're a cool person with interesting things to say even if not 100% correct on every little detail. I personally don't take your word as gospel. If you say something has 2G of ram and in the next frame is 4, hey, that's life and I can tell it just slipped. Don't stress. Releasing them to patreon first (in bulk or one by one) might help if you get feedback -like the emmc comment before - and (although it could be more work) you could just add the correction or addition on the overlay without changing the rest thus increasing the quality of what you put out. Either way keep it up and don't burn out. You do you; I'm here to help you do just that.

cathoderaydude

Oh I don't know if it was clear from the video but the problem is the *disk identifier.* The actual baked-in model string has a character that blows up the python parser before it even gets to the partition info.

skyhawk

I thought there were two problems - It was blowing up on the disk ID, which you fixed by kludging the script. Then it subsequently blew up on the actual partitioning process, which I'm guessing might be because Dell did something weird with the GPT table - hence my suggestion to zero out the drive.

cathoderaydude

Ohhh yeah, okay. Well, I didn't zero the thing, but I did use fdisk to blank the part table. I believe the person in the bug report that I was looking at said they'd wiped their drive completely and still had the issue.

Retro Rabbit Hole

On the USB thing on the M.2 slot. There's several different m.2 slot keys. A slot like that can contain a combination of PCIe, SATA, SMBus (really just i2c), and USB. Bluetooth is basically specified to only work through USB. So an m.2 slot for Wifi is typically keyed to have (usually 2) PCIe lanes, and 2 USB lanes. This way the Wifi portion of the cards gets to ride on the PCIe lanes, and the bluetooth gets connected straight to the USB controller. There's also other signals that can go to one of those slots, like audio, uart, and a bunch of other stuff. So, for one of those slots you could, theoretically, with an adapter slot in a 2x PCIe NVMe drive, probably.

Strawberry Puptart

I love these kind of simple vintage gadget show and tell videos.

Grosporina

Dude, I enjoy both this and the "usual" content. You could probably find a way to present the content I wouldn't like but I think you'd have to really work to achieve that. Enjyoing pretty much everything you're putting out. Thanks for keeping us entertained.

Freya Fractal

heya! So we grabbed a copy of the ThinOS image for the 3040, and as it happens, it's not Linux It's *FreeBSD*. ThinLinux, which is a whole different thing, *is* based on Ubuntu, or maybe Debian, can't really tell. But ThinOS is FreeBSD-12 based

cathoderaydude

oh that is so wild, i would not have expected that. huh. Huh.

Torbjörn Lindgren

If I'm reading the Wyse 3040 user guide correctly it's documente as the M.2 Wifi slot - I assume there's variants with Wifi card and antenna. The M.2 key does NOT look like the regular B or M key used by M.2 SSD and M.2 NVMe SSDs so regular M.2 SSD/NVMe devices will not fit. Wifi cards are usually E or A/E slot keyed, and it does looks about right for an E-key, there are cheap (passive) adapters for M.2 E-key to M.2 NVMe SSDs, not sure there's enough height for that though - the NVMe SSD sits above the adapter card, adding height. And there's a chance Dell could have locked down the slot, some of Dell's Wifi slots will only work with a small list of WHITELISTED Wifi cards that are hard coded into the BIOS/UEFI.

🦊

Hm. After spending way too long trying to disect this - I'm inconclusive. It might be custom, but there are a lot of mentions of FreeBSD however that could be the recovery environment only? I'm not *entirely* sure what I'm looking at. Could also be that newer versions of the OS use FreeBSD and older (like the one you showed) use a custom thing. Videos of Dell's thinOS show an entirely different UI than what you showed.

skyhawk

Regarding the surprisingly performant Sony Vaio - Transmeta's whole schtick, if memory serves, was that those were "software-defined" CPUs, which were for all intents and purposes "emulating" x86, and constantly re-compiling and optimizing as they ran. Supposedly they could "get faster" at any given application after running it for a while. Which never worked and I just dismissed as a load of horseshit. I wonder if that MAME distribution has any custom code that actually uses these properties of the Crusoe to improve performance?

🦊

Just to try it - i actually tried and booted the USB that i've been randomly DDing stuff to, and it did actually boot - to a ncurses type UI with an error message yelling at me because it can't find the right files. I wonder if this is Merlin - some kind of recovery environment that uses FreeBSD and deploys the actual (seemingly) encrypted package for the main os files to the disk

George Dorn

I like the idea of having a few of these held back for when you have an unexpected delay on a more complex and interesting video. It should hopefully encourage you to take on more complex and interesting topics, knowing that if you do run into a problem you've got something you can feed the algorithm to at least keep it from forgetting you exist. Honestly, I don't care much about the cadence or keeping the algo happy, but I do care about you having the time for your 'real' content. Plus every now and then one of these is interesting. I've always liked thin clients, I've just never had a use case for one that wasn't better handled by a 'real' SoC computer.

cathoderaydude

Oh yeah, that sounds very plausible. For what it's worth, i ran strings on /dev/(whatever mmc is called)p2 and got nothing but pages of gibberish, and i also grepped for some common things, 'inux' and 'buntu' and got nothing, it just looks like binary hash, so it's either compressed / encrypted on the disk for some reason, or it's no OS I've ever seen before.

George Dorn

Also, I thought adapting DP -> HDMI was fairly trivial. There's huge problems going the other way, calling for much more expensive devices. Maybe it's specific versions of DP that can't just be passively adapted?

cathoderaydude

So I can never keep this straight in my head as noted, but I *believe* that DP and HDMI are completely incompatible and always require active conversion. It often doesn't look like this is happening, but that's because many devices support both protocols over the same interface. Any device that's *strictly* DP or *strictly* HDMI will require an active *external* converter, however. There are de facto or perhaps de jure standards for all interfaces to be fully intercompatible... and nobody bothers marking their devices externally, so you just can't know if it'll work without plugging the thing in and just seeing what happens.

Elsie Hupp

I mean Harry Brewis and Natalie Wynn each release new videos, what, once every eighteen months, or so? Granted they have stable enough Patreon income that they can get away with that, but still posting frequency is very much a sliding scale…

🦊

at least there's a copy of node.js in the file somewhere - web tech will consume all possible software development

Torbjörn Lindgren

Dell Wyse 3040: Tiny10 will put a slimmed down Windows 10 on any machine with 5.2GB disk or more, plenty of space even on the 8GB model you have. Heck, even Win11 is doable, Tiny11 only needs 6.34GB. And they'll run with 2GB or more so even that side should be fine. And there's a 16GB model of the 3040.

_Pai

That first generation of Atoms like the one in ep. 3 was wild stuff. All of its instructions were executed in order like the original Pentium, while Intel had been using out-of-order execution since the Pentium Pro in 1995 (!). I had a HP Mini 2140 in high school that used an Atom like that and it was a truly foul device.

Chas Becht

I wonder how many of us are in the venn diagram overlap of those three channels.

George Dorn

Ah, yeah, that makes sense now. Seven years ago when I was setting up a dual DP KVM, the info was far less available, but a couple minutes digging now makes it much clearer. A "Dual mode" DP is happy to provide TMDS, but basically no HDMI source can do the reverse and output LVDS. "Dual mode" DP is supposed to be marked "DP++" but I suspect nearly all modern DP sources are dual mode now. Certainly every one I've interacted with has been. But back in the early days of DP, though, who knows? That said, active DP->HDMI converters are so cheap I didn't even realize I was looking at an active one in my search just now. While the other direction is easily 3x the price; I suspect this is because of the extra power available from a DP device.

Mick's Lil Bits

I really love some lil guys, I have some myself! My favourites are a couple of liberated Chromeboxes, because they're not just lil guys, but lil guys I set free. Please keep these coming! You know what? I'd argue that the old HP N40L was also a lil guy. You know that in your heart.

Elsie Hupp

I mean this *is* the trans rights retro-tech channel, is it not?

Akshay Anand

I think you should shoot all your lil' guys videos at SD with those broadcast cameras you have, because I love them, but then I'm insane like that.

Rich

I absolutely love these. The li'l Guys format is really fun. The only thing that I did not like is the "lets ask the internet" every time you break out the phone. Love the "ask the internet" concept, not so much the chime and such every time. Having it once the first time you do it an episode gets the point across, but every time gets a little tiresome. Would be slightly less work as well, to only have to overlay that once. :)

Anonymous Freak

Nice, a C1 PictureBook! I had the earlier C1X, with a Pentium MMX 266 MHz, purchased brand new, and it was my primary laptop through mid 2003. Yes, I ran Windows XP on it, with its Pentium MMX and 64 MB of RAM on a 3500 RPM 1.8" spinny-rust hard drive. Prior to XP SP2, it ran it acceptably.

Anonymous Freak

On the "UltraWide display" thing - the old monochrome systems like the HP LX MS-DOS palmtops, as well as many early 8088 laptops, used LCDs with a resolution of 640x200 for one specific reason - that's the monochrome high-res resolution of CGA. It's just that on CRTs, the vertical resolution is pixel-doubled to 640x400. By using an LCD with that resolution, you had full CGA compatibility, with high-resolution text in 80x25 text mode. LCDs just mandated square pixels, so they couldn't do the vertical stretch thing, and the "half height" displays were cheaper than a full 640x400 or 480 that you'd only use pixel-doubled anyway.

cathoderaydude

Oh yeah, I knew that was the reason for the really old PC laptops, but I hadn't considered it re the palmtops - I forgot that several of them are just PCs, lmao.

Anonymous Freak

What's wild about Sony's "FireWire + DC power" is that Sony was so very "Not Invented Here" that they refused to adopt the Apple-style 6-pin FireWire port that would have provided enough power. Instead they kept their Sony-invented 4-pin port and added a second plug for DC power.

Anonymous Freak

As for emulation - MAME took all sorts of shortcuts on older hardware. I emulated an NES acceptably on a Cyrix 6x86 @ 120 MHz back in college, and used MAME to emulate NES, SNES, and arcade on my PictureBook C1X with Pentium MMX 266. (I have a video of my then-girlfriend-now-wife-of-21-years playing Dig Dug on my C1X!) Newer MAME uses the greater processor power available now to do emulation with higher fidelity. But it would emulate on old hardware just fine if you didn't care about 100% pixel-and-sound perfection.

Anonymous Freak

Back in the '90s, I ran Windows 3.0 on my HP 200LX using the monochrome CGA video driver. The "bouncing cards" when you win Solitaire were hilariously slow. Microsoft Flight Simulator 4.0 also ran with a speed that could be measure in frames per second.

Strawberry Daquiri

windows xp is supposedly only 1.5 gigs if you really wanna put windows on that little wyse box. it wont be useful but it might be funny :3

Tyler

Gravis, I used to build these digital signage systems, I worked for one of the companies that made those systems. Hit me up for information.

Peter Chomczynski

There's a modified lightweight version of Windows called Tiny11 that should fit on your 3040

disproportionately massive dwayne johnson from the end of furious 6

oh hell yeah dude, big guy lil guy release schedule is sick. genuinely unsure how patreon should be handled... maybe you bundle a lil guy with a big guy one lil guy ahead of release? kind of like how with digital foundry, retro tier people get df retros one episode in advance from everyone else.

Mina

"Bricks" may also not have been the best as a name cuz it's a kinda obscure slur for transfem people. But we're the only demographic that would notice that and I don't know anyone that would be bothered by it soooooo

cathoderaydude

...jesus it's been a long time since I heard that one. Phew. Fair point.

Algoinde

If you're bothered by it playing out every time, maybe the next ones after the first one could just be double BPM?

sdomi

I don't think that releasing a lot of stuff together is a bad idea? seeing those three, I will probably space out watching them throughout this week; I'm happy with this amount of content, but manually spacing them out (if it works better for your purposes) is fine too. Turning off comments on YT.. kind of hinders the ability to provide (technical) feedback? although there's still this comments section, so It Works anyhoo, this is neat!! new vids, yay! :33

jcx

I like this release method... Since I like to wait for content to binge and this kinda makes it happen. I sort of agree maybe using the 'Lets ask the internet' a little bit less, but I still like the new series idea. Anything that comes up that I have comments on i'll put in this post. EP2: The Wize thin client, you could probably install Win7 or a shrunken build of Win10 on there (with some effort) or if you can add extra storage some other way for a Linux system, just have your /boot on emmc and everything else on the external storage, something on USB3 would probably be absolutely fine. [Back when I was using HPE rackmount stuff (workaround central!) I had my /boot on an sdcard which let me use an nvme in the system without direct bios support.] They'd probably make good little emulation boxes or Piholes/ cheap NASes quite well, or even as a remote host for something like moonlight (connecting to sunshine) as kind of a "thin client" so you could access your PC from the lounge or something. Edit: Episode 3: That's a rather cute design of machine, for sure! It kind of looks like it was born from the "we need to build something with off the shelf stuff" but also "make it as small as possible"... The kind of thing that you might be able to assemble yourself (as a small start up company I mean) given enough thought and the right supplies. I like how it looks rather indestructible. Throw an SSD in that and minus an EMP probably would last a lifetime (if it didn't suffer the capacitor plague that is lol)

Adin Tijerina

Its so funny to watch a video where you go "oh man i use that in my job" such as imprivata and citrix and then you start to think about the nightmare of having to set up and maintain those systems

Mina

Tbh it mostly just mentioned that because it had a little giggle at how some of the lines could sound quite silly taken ridiculously out of context. Not so much out of concern.

cathoderaydude

Hahaha, well, I'm glad you got a laugh out of it, beats the alternative

cathoderaydude

I guess maybe I should just remind everyone each time i release a video like this that the comments will almost certainly get nuked... I'll give it some more thought, ty!

Kerne

Don't let the YouTube algorithm or anyone else bully you into making content that doesn't interest you. Even if it's about retro computers, a video without passion is completely uninteresting to me. Keep following your heart. ❤️

chase

EP3: I know what those relays are for! Configurations that include them are probably intended for use as firewalls or something of the sort. When powered on, each network jack acts as usual. When powered off, those two network jacks are actually bridged together like a coupler, which can be used to bypass this device in a redundant setup. I think it’s pretty neat!

cathoderaydude

oh yeah someone else told me and I was blown away - what a wild feature, but one that makes perfect sense as soon as you learn about it. I'm gonna edit in a correction to the final release version. thanks!

Chickenbread

Regarding the machine in EP3: You wondered how they would configure the board with Intel Network controllers or Realtek ones, but when you had the board flipped over it's pretty clear how they would configure it with Intel Networking instead: by just putting the Intel controllers on the bottom side of the board

cathoderaydude

Whoops, haha, shoot. I'll have to go back and watch, I missed that but it makes more sense.

Asriel Yuill

RE: Vaio C1 -- You mentioned a couple other 21:9 laptops existing besides the one you showed. I know of at least one other, and I might have had one had things not worked out the way they did; Acer's Predator 21X. Absolutely monstrous thing, took 2 laptop power supplies, had a Cherry MX keyboard and a curved 21:9 display. They sold it with a Pelican case. It was absurd. I wanted one so bad. In hindsight it would almost certainly have been a very bad idea. Like you said, it's like a concept car, just Acer flexing.

Aidan Rayner

The ST400, my beloved!! Used to absolutely swear by it when I worked at a computer repair shop. I had the Mini at first and it was built like shit and the 2242 SSD failed in it but the ST400 is *excellent*. Just wish it had a battery so I could power it up and prepare it before starting a machine up.

cathoderaydude

Yep, that's one of the two I was thinking of. I wanted one super bad as well but of course I never would have had any use for it, haha

SA007

In EP3, most mini-pcie WWAN cards actually connect via the USB pins on the minipcie, so that that card works, doesn't mean that it has pcie lanes.

Asriel Yuill

I had to mention it because the while you were saying "Asus", I was saying "A-*cer*" and then that was not what you said and I was like "wait, what" lmao

SA007

That also makes sense for the different ethernet jacks, the larger ones have magnetics built in, the smaller ones have the magnetics on the bottom of the pcb (which makes the jack smaller, but jack+magnetics is more board space). But for the bypass you need to have the pins before the magnetics.

Danny Forche

I just got around to watching episode 2 today, and I'm so interested in that little Wyse PC - I saw one in a production environment but the monitor was turned off so I have no idea what they were using it for. They're only like $25 on eBay, literally cheaper than a Raspberry Pi, so I really want to get myself one to tinker with. However, a lot of them say "no OS" - I want that ThinOS thing, I may be able to figure out what kind of Linux it is as well. Do you know if there's an installer available from Dell? Or would you be able to image the hard drive using your live-booting Linux... assuming you haven't nuked the drive yet to install Mint or whatever. I always use "dd" to do it, I can give you the commands if you aren't fluent in that. Could just back it up to a USB flash drive, and upload it to the Internet Archive. Thanks in advance

cathoderaydude

You can grab the installer from the Wyse 3040 drivers page on Dell's site, I'm not 100% sure how to use it but I'm sure there's directions online, this is a *very* common desire. I already nuked mine so I can't help unfortunately, haha.

Danny Forche

OK, thanks for the fast reply. I know you said in the first Little Guys video that you don't see the Patreon comments much but you've replied super fast to me so far, so that's pretty awesome. I was literally going to comment "what if you used that m.2 slot?" before you mentioned that at the very end of the episode, lol. I'd love to put Windows on there too. I got Windows 7 running on my HP thin client (that's 3x the size of the Wyse, since it has a PCIe slot, as I mentioned in my other post on ep 1) pretty easily, that's an AMD embedded CPU probably equivalent in power to the Atom, but the storage on that was just SATA m.2, so I was able to just pop a decent sized drive in there. It might even run Windows 10, but I'm booting Ubuntu for capture purposes, so I haven't tried. (Also, I don't know if you'll encounter this in future Little Guys episodes, but it's a pet peeve of mine, a lot of these lower-end systems use M-keyed PCIe slots, but don't actually support NVMe. On the HP, it literally shows up in the BIOS as SATA 1, and it's /dev/sda in Linux, but it's keyed like NVMe so the first time I tried a drive it said no storage medium inserted and just...didn't work. The entire point of the keying is to prevent that exact scenario! But the OEMs don't seem to care or even know about it, leading to confusion)

cathoderaydude

Oh *great*, wow. I'll have to keep that in mind, thank you for letting me know, I'm *sure* I would have run into issues with it. In fact, I just recently was messing with a Thinkcenter that has two m.2 slots, and I couldn't get msata to work in one - didn't realize I had to use the second slot. And yeah, I thought the keying was supposed to prevent this!

Danny Forche

I think technically mSATA is a different form factor, but I know what you mean. I keep a m.2 SATA and NVMe drive around for testing PCs, because it's such a common problem. There was this series of Alienware gaming laptops from like 2013 that even came with a sticker saying "2280 slot is SATA only" because I guess enough people complained that they started sticking those on before shipment.

Danny Forche

Okay, I did some more Googling on the Wyse 3040 and that m.2 slot is keyed for a Wi-Fi card, meaning you can't use it for storage. Ugh :( It's mentioned more in depth here, apparently not even the PCIe wi-fi cards will work on it. https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/wyse/3040/ I still might buy one for $25 just to play with. I found the Dell installer, seems pretty easy.

FliesLikeABrick

In episode 3 you commented that you weren't suee why there were 2 more concealed screws at the rear since the other 4 would seem sufficient to hold the housing together. That is true - the reason the back 2 screws are there is likely to add rigidity to the rear panel where the ports all are, so less than all of the force has to go through the bottom and the solder joints

Ian

I'm not sure if someone else said it, but the VESA mount on the mini PC are to mount the computer on the back of a monitor to the monitor's VESA mount, turning it into a sort of all in one computer.

Ian

M.2 can be USB as well and most M.2 WWAN cards are USB as well.

Karl Voelker

Episode 3: “Yo, listen up, here's the story / About a little guy that lives in a blue world”

Ian

Gigabyte still makes a line of mini PCs they call BRIX.

Weyoun 9

Gravis, I don't have a Lil guy with bypass networking, but I do have a couple of standalone PCIe cards that do the same thing, including one that can bypass fibre in case this concept wasn't insane enough for you already. Drop me a line if you want them.

adorfer

Episode 3 [Lex Brik] RC1 / 18:10: ethernet cards with relays can be found on many "enterprise level" devices: fail over to "hot standby" device, just as a (more or less) cloned configuration behind the first edge routing device. If an external watchdog device decides (by whatever clever metric) that the first edge router is in a failed condition, interrupt it's power and the inbound eth will fail over to the standby device. off course, MultiChassis link-aggregation (MLAG) with to several edge nodes would be nicer, but when you can not have that and if that one (reliable) WAN cable in your cabinet is your single life line in a remote location, you have to resort to such pcb relays to fail over using mechanical force.

🦊

Ok, I caved and bought one - said in the listing it had the OS and £20 is is perfectly fine for a machine I could put Debian on (worlds lowest energy hypervisor server anyone?). Mine came with probably a different release of the ThinOS (it has a nice wallpaper of a lake instead of solid blue). If you have a network cable plugged in, after a few seconds the system log will disappear, and you'll get dropped to the Connection Manager. Which is just a RDP client. I'll look at the OS image itsself when I can find a power supply that doesn't crash with in a 1th of a second of it showing the immediately recognisable shade of blue the Windows 10 login screen uses.