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This week on Bonus Pod, host Haley MacLean is joined by MinnMax’s Jeff Marchiafava and Kelsey Lewin to rant about gen ai. Haley hits all the points including long term dangers of its uses, IP theft, and issues with data centers. We promise you, making your own art feels awesome at any level.

Here’s a link to the video version of this episode! - https://youtu.be/ocXcdzbZc64

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John Ford

Dammit, 2pm est I was like "I gotta get on this", 2:30 rolls around and it could not have been further from my head 😭. I am a workforce development person, and for work reasons knows basically everything anyone knows about the employment impacts of AI. I have concerns!

Dominic Cichocki

Loved this discussion, thank you for having it. It was so cathartic. Y'all should get political more often!

D.K. Lawhorn

“I promised Hansen I wouldn’t talk about politics.” Hey, Ben, being apolitical puts you on the side of the fascists.

Ben

This was a great pod and I find it a bit odd this wasn't supposed to be a political pod (as mentioned in the pod. not sure if it was a joke or not). AI is a political issue, y'all stand up for lgbt rights, immigrant rights etc all political issues. I'm glad y'all are using your platform to speak out about this.

Vilis

If you want some positive moves on at least Data Centers, Virginia's Governor has been taking some strong steps to set up guardrails.

BIG!!!!HERB!!!!!!

This was a good listen! We all are of course, very familiar with how this AI mania is fucking up gaming with the ridiculous hardware prices but it was nice to hear you address the broader implications of all this bullshit.

BIG!!!!HERB!!!!!!

I remember you from the old Overblood Facebook group! Hope you're doing well bud!

Dominic Cichocki

Thanks, that's super sweet of you! Hope you're doing well too.

Thomas Hoster

Loved the discussion. As someone running a business in manufacturing though, I am very worried I am at risk of being left behind with this tech. I feel a guttural recoil to AI often, with the slop etc. but there are competitors peers and friends in this industry utilizing AI to cut off multiple softwares they have had to pay BS SAAs costs that year over year have ballooned. Replacing with functionally vibe coded or integrated agents. Often I just feel a bit unsure in the space today.

Tikwid

I love this podcast so much! My one thing is that I don't think it's a more complicated conversation when people are ok with ai coding. The idea that coding isn't an art form is a wild misrepresentation or at least baseline misunderstanding of what coding, scripting, and general computer science is. It is absolutely as much an art form as it is a science, it just happens to be an art form that only other practitioners of that art can understand and see and think and speak critically about. The idea that "coding has one answer" so it's ok that the ai tells you the answer is so unbelievably far from the truth. If you give two game developer programmers the same exact task, the probability of them writing the exact same script is laughable. There is self expression, creativity, beauty, and joy expressed in scripting and coding. The way we build, manipulate, and communicate with computers in order to get them to do what we want them to is more akin to *literal real magic* than maybe anything else in the real world. You know what isn't literal magic? AI. Yes, the creation of something that technical - which was *created by actual humans*- is as impressive as literal magic, but the AI is the spell itself. It cannot birth further magic. It cannot productively or accurately *create more magic* or do ANYTHING that can't arguably be done by humans. We have to tell it what to be in the first place. It doesn't "think" it isn't "alive" and it certainly isn't your friend or anything you should have an *actual relationship with*. I'm a practitioner of both computer science and what I refer to generally as "witchcraft" - don't worry, I don't think it's real in the way you're thinking I might - and I see unavoidable similarities in the two, and I view the two equally as much a form of artistry in the same way I do the music I play, or the art I make, or the articles and essays I write. None of it may be "good" but at least I made it ffs. AI couldn't have made AI. It isn't magic or art. Only humans can do those things. The posture that Nasir Gebelli of early Square Soft - for example - isn't in artist just makes sad. We're so far past the idea of "well intentioned usage". The discussion is so unavoidable and prevalent, and if you're just blindly using it "not knowing" about the implications, you're definitely still at fault as much as had you known the implications and just not caring. Thank you so much for this conversation. Sorry for the wall of text. This all really did wonders for my release of adrenaline and dopamine 🫠🫰

Lindsay

This is a very important statement. I want to know that the media I consume, especially from an outlet I'm supporting directly through Patreon, is not on the wrong side of history. I'm not saying every discussion has to be political, but when it is inherently involved in a topic like AI, it is not something that should be avoided. Cohorts being open about their opinions makes me (and I would guess others) feel safer as well.

Noah Berman

This is a good discussion and I do appreciate the passion, but I’m always wondering what JeffM is referring to when he says the technology is a scam. I work in software which has been entirely transformed by AI, whose strongest use case is in writing code. It’s far from infallible but to say it “doesn’t work” is just not true. All of the other implications are true. I just think it’s dangerous to pretend that it’s a Ponzi scheme.

Yngvil Tilda Runde

It's so comforting to know that I'm not alone with my thoughts about AI. Jeff M shines on content like this 👏👏