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Submit Your Thoughts On The Thing For The Deepest Dive! (Patreon)

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This is it, folks. The big one. This week we're talking John Carpenter's The Thing from 1982 and we need your comments to fuel our discussion! Because we're continuing to grow, please keep your one comment to around the length of a tweet. We want to get to as many comments as possible. We hope you understand.

Please submit a comment below with your specific thoughts on the film. Please don't just leave a long review, get specific. Let's talk about your favorite moment, theory, dog, or thing, please get specific. The more specific you are, the higher the odds of us reading your comment during the discussion. We'll finish collecting comments on Tuesday morning.

Next week we'll be looking for your thoughts on... the video game (2002), tabletop game, prequel film (2011), and anything else we missed. Watching a Let's Play for the first two is totally fine, but obviously we'd love to hear some first-hand accounts.

You can watch us record The Deepest Dive live on Tuesday at 5pm Central if you're at the $10 Backstage Pass tier on Patreon. The link will be in the Backstage Pass tier on the Discord. Thanks for your support!

You can watch the video version of our first discussion right here - https://youtu.be/pAREvjmiCqg

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Grizzled Gaming

Hey gang! Let’s talk explosions. When MacReady and crew go out to the shed to test Blair’s blood, they discover the tunnel and the small-vehicle and decide to blow it up. The explosion that follows is so big that my wife and I both thought they decided to blow themselves up with it, but all’s well (relatively speaking) in the very next scene. Then again at the end of the movie where they blow up the WHOLE facility, the explosions are HUGE, but somehow MacReady & Childs survive. Both times it took us out of the movie for a moment, if only they could have toned those down a bit. That said, it’s still a fantastic movie and I love the ambiguity of the ending.

Adam Meran

I know this is likely a question with no answer, but I'm curious what y'all think the creature would behave like if it had a best case scenario where it assimilated everyone and was only amongst it's own "kind". Would they cooperate? Have a hierarchy? Just melt back together into one Thing? Going even further, this creature is intelligent but I wonder if it would exhibit any sort of personality or culture. I'm sure I'm reaching, it's probably always in lizard brain survival mode, but imagine an unthreatened Thing, revisiting shapes it's assimilated simply to enjoy sensations, or activities picked up in it's travels.

The_Smak

Hello fellow imitations, I absolutely love this movie, but I could never figure out who sabotaged the blood for the blood serum test. Let’s break down the details. - The infected dog walks towards a room with a silhouette of a man. Someone is infected by the dog. o We can safely say that the people infected in the movie are Palmer, Norris, and Blair. - The original group that overheard the idea of a blood test was MacReady, Copper, Childs, Fuches, and Garry. (None of which are infected throughout the movie.) o We can safely remove Bennings(dead) o We do not know how much time has passed between the group thinking up the test and Copper finding the blood tampered with so it’s possible that the whole group discussed the test before preparing to take it. o If The Thing can read minds like in the novella then it didn’t have to be present when the test was discussed. - Copper is the only one that uses the key and Garry is the only one with the key. o Either the key was stolen from Garry and put back or one of them could have sabotaged the blood. o However, Garry gave Windows the keys to lock up the Dog Thing in the storeroom with the help of Bennings. When he sees Bennings being assimilated if you listen closely, he drops the keys. So how did the keys get from the floor and back to Garry? - Blair had a lot of contact with both The Thing from the Norwegian station and the Dog Thing. It’s possible that he could’ve been infected here. o Blair is locked up in the store house, but in Novella he is able to melt under the floor and come and goes as he pleases. Maybe it’s the same here as well, but it was offscreen. So, who sabotaged the blood? Blair, Palmer, or Norris? There is no definitive answer and John Carpenter will never tell. I believe it is Palmer because he’s constantly turning the group against itself throughout the movie. Who do you think sabotaged the blood?

Dan Willey

The animal acting in this movie really stood out to me on this watch, in particular the first infected dog in this movie. The body language in the scene where he sneaks up on one of the researchers is so eerie and nicely tips off the viewer that this is no ordinary the dog. The scene where the dog sneaks up on the unsuspecting researcher stands out. The way he squeezes through the slightly open doorway so as not to be heard and pops his head into another room as he approaches the researcher to ensure he won't be discovered are such great subtle touches. The performance is similarly amazing when he is led into the kennel with the other dogs. This would all be CGI now, which is a shame. Anyway, the actor's name is Jed, he was also in the White Fang movie, and he is a very good boy.

Adam Meran

Bit of Thing Trivia: 1. The dog's real name is Jed, and he starred in a handful of other films including White Fang. 2. The stages were refrigerated to make the environment more realistic and the actors breath visible. They would accentuate this by drinking coffee. 3. The cinematographer Dean Cundey revealed that he used a subtle lighting technique to light up the eyes of characters, and removed it for characters that have been assimilated. I imagine they may have only been used in scenes right before a character is outed, but not sure. 4. John Carpenter has admitted that one of the survivors (Childs/Macready) has been assimilated, and boy oh boy do fans like to speculate on who it is and why. Everything from Childs' clothes and jewelry, the drink they share, to MacReady's chuckle are all suspect. Some fans even point to scenes from the 2011 prequel as potential evidence in the case of Childs Vs MacReady.

Adam Meran

There's something I'm still not understanding about Noriss' assimilation. We see him go from seemingly human and dealing with some sort of chest pain, to unconscious, to full blown mouthbelly monster. Is he the only one to catch this thing like a virus or am I missing something?

Marshall Banana

This was my first time seeing this film and I absolutely loved it—especially the music! It was so eerie and memorable. I spent some time listening to the music online and reading about it and came across this article below. It’s about how Quentin Tarantino utilized some previously unused music tracks from the 1982 The Thing’s original score in his film The Hateful Eight (another film with an excellent score). They did it as a time saver to round out The Hateful Eight’s soundtrack. I don’t have a question other than: “Isn’t that interesting?!?” See the link to the original story below! https://www.indiewire.com/2015/12/quentin-tarantino-reveals-hateful-eight-score-features-unused-music-by-ennio-morricone-from-john-carpenters-the-thing-98001/

DarkFishDays

I always thought the line “They’re not Swedish, Mac. They’re Norwegian” was weirdly specific. Then in preparation for the 1st episode I found another Antarctica horror story from 1928 titled “In Amundsen’s Tent.” It’s about an expedition that finds an abandoned Norwegian tent with an alien body inside. The men shoot the thing to make sure it’s dead, which awakens the creature. Then over the next couple days the alien hunts the men one by one. Sound vaguely familiar? I like to think that Carpenter’s film is making a callback to this 1928 short story that may have even influenced the 1938 novella.

Adam Meran

My bad, in my excitement I didn't realize we should only be leaving one comment! Here's another just to apologize for being dumb.

James Martin

RE: the end - any thoughts on Nauls 'death'?? We don't ever see what happens to him. I assumed they did this on purpose to make us wonder if maybe he could still be thing'd up at the end, but reading his wiki I see that they did plan a heroic death scene for him but the special effects team ran out of money/resources to film it! Given the nature of the plot, I think they may have decided that was okay as it adds a further bit of doubt to the ending.

Geoff Enright

Hello e'erybody! I had the wonderful chance to watch The Thing (1982) with community members during a movie night, and not only is it always fun to joke around but to take in some important moments with people that know the movie really well too. Big thanks to The Smakenstein, he was a great source of background information as well! I have to say the greatest stuff to see was the old school practical special effects. Every single transition of The Thing on screen looked amazing, disgusting, and disturbing. My absolute favorite moment was after The Thing as Norris chomped off the guys arms, eventually his head separates from his body to run away. And without expecting what would happen, I loved seeing the spider like legs elongate, the stalk eyes erupt and it start to run away. Loved seeing this horror film. Cheers! -Geoff aka Groffles

Kris Calkins

First time seeing this movie and it was more gruesome horror than I was expecting with all the transformation scenes. Anyways probably being too used to Among Us I would've liked having The Palmer Thing try to persuade the rest of them that he wasn't The Thing even though they saw him vent I mean, that the blood test proved it, before going into his monster form and attacking poor Windows.

Thane Goldberg

I watched this for the first time last week. Was totally caught off guard and enjoyed it quite a bit. From the effects to the tension, I'll definitely be watching it again. As a lifelong John Carpenter and Kurt Russell fan (Big Trouble in Little China being one of my faves), I really can't fathom how I avoided this for so long.

Chree McGee

As UnkleFil points out, The Thing's cinematographer intentionally put lights in the eyes of the characters who are still human. Did any of you know about this? If so, did it change the viewing experience for you upon rewatching the movie? For me, knowing this (specifically seeing that the lights were out in Childs's eyes near the end of the movie) added to the tension rather than taking from it. Instead of being able to tell myself, for instance, that both McCready and Childs are human and that the Thing Menace dies with them, I'm left with the uncomfortable feeling that the invasion has just begun, and their efforts were for nothing.

Cosby

I can't believe the scene of MacReady pouring his drink into the computer and calling it a cheating bitch hasn't been memed to death. The fromsoft gifs alone could keep it afloat for years.

Nick Rodriguez

#1 most common comment (I think) is HELL YEAH THOSE PRACTICAL EFFECTS!!! Praise to Rob Bottin for his amazing work. #2 most common comment (I think) will be about how amazing the music is. Foreboding, contemplative, and even creepy at times - Ennio Marricone's score of this film fits the tone so well.

Nick Rodriguez

Speaking of Practical Effects - If you're watching the 1080p Blu-ray version, at about the 33 minute mark when Blair is doing an autopsy on the dog-monster corpse, you can see enough detail that the "flesh" directly underneath the outer skin is just a black open-cell foam soaked in goo. Back in the 80's a texture that small never would have translated to the screen or a VHS tape, so they would have said "it's good enough for film". But with a 1080p remaster, we can see some of the materials they used, and I think that's really awesome.

Nick Rodriguez

Does anyone else think the first scene of MacReady is strangely out of character? For most of the film he is calm and collected, "saying" a lot with just his body language and facial expressions. He's well-respected among the team, and is generally a "hero". However the very first scene is him taking a drink and playing a game of Chess on a computer. The program checkmates him in one move, and after a moment's thought he pours his drink into the computer resulting in a shower of sparks and smoke. Think about it - it's the early 80s so a purpose-built computer for playing chess was probably extremely expensive. MacReady looses once and destroys it. Plus, now NOBODY in the camp can play chess for the whole winter. What an asshole thing to do, and seemingly out of character for him. What do y'all think?

Nick Rodriguez

Humanization of the characters is something the '82 version of The Thing does extremely well. I read through the novella for the first time for this Deep Dive and I echo the musings about how odd it was for the guys to be "bronze godlike" and everyone was more or less on board immediately for saving the earth at the expense of themselves. Maybe this was an affect of the time it was written, but it felt a little untrue to human nature to me. Then comes John Carpenter's version. These folks seem like real co-workers. Some of them are friends, while some are not particularly courteous to others (like when Nauls didn't turn down the music at Benning's request). A great example scene is when the NORGE helicopter lands at the US base. Several of the guys come out to see what's going on. One Norwegian drops a Thermite bomb, killing himself and blowing up the chopper - they guys are still standing there gawking. The other Norwegian starts walking towards the group with a rifle - the guys are all seemingly awestruck because they're still just standing there. Then the Norwegian opens fire, hitting Bennings in the leg, and only then does everyone break into action to jump aside. Gary somewhat panics while he breaks the window to get a good shot. Boom, headshot. But then more humanization - Gary walks out slowly, clearly not sure how he feels about having to kill a man. As a viewer we get to see his shock. Maybe its remorse, maybe this is the first time he's ever had to kill someone. I love that this film doesn't portray the team as supermen, but just men in an extraordinary situation.

Barrett Boswell

Hey gang, This or Alien is my favorite horror movie and I've seen this movie probably over 100 times. Best line of the movie that provides maybe the only funny relief from tension: I know you gentlemen have been through a lot, but when you find the time, I’d rather not spend the rest of this winter TIED TO THIS F—-ING COUCH! To no surprise, loving another Deep Dive. Thank you for the work!

Tanner Hoisington

First time I'm watching and I'm not done yet. There's plenty to praise, but let me just bring up a specific point: what's with the computer program modeling the assimilation and claiming there's a 75% chance a crew member is infected? Are we to believe this guy programmed this in a couple hours when all he needed was a piece of paper? Computers can calculate everything!

Jeorin

I really enjoyed John Carpenter's The Thing. They did a great job of following the plot of the novella while mixing it up enough so that there were still surprises. After watching the film I looked up some information on it including what the Norwegian guy at the beginning was shouting. It translates roughly into "Get the hell away from that thing. That's not a dog, it's some sort of thing! It's imitating a dog, it isn't real! Get away you idiots!!". The actor wasn't actually Norwegian, so it was badly accented and the grammar was atrocious, but it was cool that he used the actual language instead of film gibberish. Great film. It's easy to see why it's a favorite for so many people. That spider head version of the Thing was easily my favorite version.

Nick Rodriguez

Did anyone else think that the hot-needle test on blood was a great idea, but then facepalm because nobody had a problem with USING THE SAME SCALPEL to cut everyone finger!?! To their credit, the doctor was already dead but how did a room full of dudes not think "hey, a blood test where we are contaminating the samples might not be a good idea". I always cringe when Windows just gives it a good 1-2 wipe on his jeans before slicing into his own thumb like its no biggie. I took a moment to look it up, and another aspect to this is that I'm 32 and so I grew up in a USA after the HIV / AIDS epidemic in the 80s. Perhaps a public awareness of Bloodborne (heh heh) diseases just wasn't a thing back then and the writers, film crew, and actors just didn't think of it as a problem. In case anyone else is interested, the Public Perception page of the Wiki has some good info and dates on the rise of HIV in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_United_States

PhillyYeetSteak

I had my fiance watch this for the first time last year, and she was incredibly on edge... until the creature was really mutating onscreen. The practical effects looked ridiculous to her and she burst out laughing, and it totally killed the suspense for her. I was surprised, as i thought the practical effects was one of the strengths of the movie. Do you think this movie looks too silly for the tension to hold up for someone being introduced to it today?

Adam W

I absolutely love this movie. However, it wasn't until my most recent viewing that I realized a major part of why it works so well. Each and every character is perfectly distinguishable from every other character in the film. For such a large group, everyone manages to have a fairly unique personality and physical appearance. This helps to prevent viewers from mixing up characters in a story where not every thing is what it seems. Also I need to know: What do you think happened to Fuchs??

Joshua Duperoy

Hey Ben and cohorts, As someone who’s seen this movie numerous times throughout my life I had completely forgotten about the intro scene with the flying saucer. To be honest it comes off as a little hokey, especially in a movie with such gruesome and ghastly special effects that still strike me as disturbing and chilling to this day. That being said the title card reveal during that intro scene is still awesome and possibly one of my favorite of all time. Also, what’s with all the MacReady/Childs debate at the end? The video game clearly establishes what happens to these two characters at the end, and everyone knows the video game is completely canon, but I guess that’s a discussion best left for next week. Ciao.

Tim Lorow

This movie opens so strong with McCready rage quitting on the chess computer. It’s a great character moment and damn funny.

Rob Bridge

The shrill strings during the Norwegian research site exploration creates the perfect atmosphere of dread, combined with the first dead body, empty research room, and burned, mutated body. My skin crawled during this scene, excellently crafted tension that carries into the autopsy.

Seth Filbin

Hello Ben and all! A few quick takeaways: 1. The score by Ennio Morricone is far better than I remember. Sets the tone perfectly. 2. Why so much booze in a science station on Antarctica? 3. What the hell happened to Fuchs? 4. The practical effects by Rob Bottin are just as unsettling as ever... And I love them. 5. Didn't remember the movie ending on a such a cliffhanger! What happened to Childs and MacReady?!! The movie still holds up very well, but I found it interesting how quickly they all just accept what's going on. Even after finding that massive ship and realizing this is all caused by an alien shapeshifter, they all just agree that, 'yes, this is what's happening, now let's deal with it'. Other movies would probably take more time to let the characters freak out a bit. I wonder if this choice was conscious, or simply the way the screenplay was written. Thanks!

Aegis of the Grail

One thing I noticed this time around is how much it differs from the novella and 1951 film in the way the base comes into contact with The Thing. In the other versions, the characters debate over what to do after they find the alien in the ice. But in the 82 film, the alien is forced on them. This skips the discussions about alien life and the slight antagonists of those on the side of science and freeing the alien. What do you all think about that decision?

Rob Bridge

Surprised by the amount of sunlight for it being the winter in Antarctica. Normally they don't experience much sunlight during their winters, more like perpetual twilight which would have added an even more unnerving aspect to the film!

Dimitri Gedevanishvili

Hard to come up with a favorite moment, but the scene that immediately comes to mind for me is the blood test scene. Love it.

Likeuh

The scene near the very end, with Macready escaping the basement from the now enormous Thing is so humanizing. As he throws the explosive at this monster who killed all his co-workers/friends, Macready simply yells: "Yeah, F**** you too!". The fact that he doesn't have some real cool one liner is amazing to me, hell it's probably all I could think of too! Love the show and this is my favorite Deepest Dive yet!

Brandon Milligan

In the infamous blood test scene, there is actually a tell to know who is the thing and who isn't. Conceived by Carpenter and Cinematographer Dean Cundey, every person who is human has a light reflecting in their eyes, or a sparkle. Whereas The Thing has no light reflection. At the end of the movie when Macready and Childs are drinking next to the burning rubble, they deliberately have no lights in their eyes to drive home the idea of the ending being ambiguous.

Dylan Drazek

One thing I got the biggest kick out of was the fact that, later in the film, Mac was considered the most level-headed, but got mad at a computer and destroyed it for beating him at chess

Sandshrewd

Bigger "Holy Crap!" moment: The defibrillation scene or the blood test scene? For me it's the blood test, rarely does any movie make a moment so intense as Macready putting the hot needle in the petri dishes, and the payoff was fantastic. One thing I do hate though is that horror movie trope where someone just stands in fear and gets killed. It was frustrating to watch Windows just stand there when Palmer-Thing was transforming and then ends up getting mauled.

Michael Moran

I feel some older horror movies can fall flat because the cinematography and blocking feel a bit outdated and don't ratchet the tension quite like recent hits such as Hereditary (my favorite horror movie), but I didn't notice this during The Thing. Specifically, the frequent tight shots built up the psychological threat as I was desperate for every character to be on screen at once so I could be confident who was human and see where The Thing might be. Props to cinematographer Dean Cundey who made incredible storyboards of every single shot in the film that are totally worth googling. He apparently convinced JC to make The Thing take on any form as well. I don't have twitter but this is probably too long sorry. 2015's "Bone Tomahawk" is a great horror western featuring a similar Kurt Russell barking decisive orders through an impossible situation.

ImABiggyBoi

During the movie club screening, there was a lot of discussion over whether or not there were any "tells" to clue the viewer on if a character had been thing-ified. One of the discussed theories was that a thingamajig had no reflection in their eyes. Another (that had no evidence, but is interesting) was that during the ending cliffhanger, MacReady handed Childs a bottle filled with turpentine to see if he would react to the switch. I noted that during the same scene, MacReady's breath created a huge cloud, even during speaking, while Childs' did not, possibly pointing to Childs being Thing 1 or 2 or both. Did any members of the panel try to track this thing? Did you come up with any theories of your own?

Luke Larson

2 specific things 1) Can a dog win best actor? knowing it's the thing makes every action so much more meaningful. I'm dead serious when I say that I don't think a human could have given a performance as good. 2) I really like how there a couple scenes that are essentially mini versions of the movie. Like when the dog-thing is trapped in the kennel with the other dogs, and during the blood test scene, there are humans literally tied up to the Thing. It's identical to a zoomed out version of the plot. they're trapped on the base with the Thing.

Bob Buel

There's obviously a lot of great stuff in this movie. But the scene lighting in this movie truly blew me away. The deep purples and magentas every time the flares go off. The drab beige of the inside of the base. The deep blue beacons that light up the cold snowfields. The orange darkness when MacReady and Childs are sitting by the burning base at the end. Just look at the scene when MacReady gets back in from the snow and is threatening to light the dynamite with that crazed look in his eyes - the flare's purple light mixed with pale white snow-covered Kurt Russel makes him look so immediately crazed and zombie-like before he even says a word. I love it.

Bob Buel

Kurt Russel pouring his drink into the machine after he is bested by the Chess Master computer is such a brilliant setup for his character. And a perfect foreshadowing for him blowing up the entire base when The Thing bests him later in the movie. It shows he is a level headed guy, smart and rational, but he knows when he's been beaten, and will flip the game board when he knows he's lost. Brilliant. Also, that blob of green puss that pops out of Norris's neck when he Thingifies and his head rips off his own body is the greatest detail I've seen in a movie in a while.

Taylor Reinsch

The Norris head animating, and Palmer's line "You've got to be fucking kidding me" is a great touch. It mirrors the audiences likely reaction. Even greater still that Palmer is likely infected at this time. The ending. I believe Childs is infected. Childs was falling asleep when Macready walks in on him. There is also a shot showing the room that Childs has left, and the coats have been rearranged. with the theory that the thing destroys clothes, its likely that the thing had to put on a new coat to venture out. He also fails Macready's test of accepting food/drink from another person. What do you think?

Joe Dean

Hello fellow hugh-mans, Obligatory "incredible practical effects comment." Now when MacReady goes to talk to Blair about if he's seen Fuchs we see a noose in the tool shed with Blair. I believe Blair's The Thing at that point, so do you think the real Blair made the noose to kill himself, but got taken by The Thing before he could? Or is it a ploy by The Thing to convince them to let him in? I'm not sus, Joe Dean

Shawn Mills

Hello Chess Wizard Loving Cohort, I thought it was a very smart choice to have the main charcters not be the ones to uncover the ship and alien in this version. It speeds the plot along to the action faster and makes for a great intro with the norwegians trying to kill the dog. Also is it just me or is it weird that this movie has a charcter named Mac and a charcter named Windows a decade before personal home computers? Byyyyyyyeeeee.

Patrick Polk

I really enjoyed rewatching The Thing, and the aspect that I appreciated most was the clever way it reframed the story as a reaction to the aftermath of the attack on the Norwegian camp, rather than originating with the main characters. It got the plot moving much more quickly than the (excellent) short story. Also, you know it is a pretty dark movie when the most optimistic interpretation of the ending is that the last two human characters freeze to death in Antarctica. Finally and most importantly, why are two of the most revered horror stories/movies generically titled "It" and "The Thing"? I'm going to make a fortune with my horror spec script called "Stuff."

Joemomma

Annoyed at the ending of "Who Goes There" with a nuclear jump pack, I completely forgot that, in the movie, the Blair-thing is building a ship in the basement of his shack. I love that Carpenter took that aspect from the book and made it more grounded. Also, that dogs acting is chilling, calculated, suspicious and downright unnerving!

EJ Crough

Do you ever worry this was based on a true story?

James Baldwin

Two quick things right off the bat: 1. Patreon comments fucking suck and this is the second deepest dive where it has somehow deleted my comment after I refreshed the page. 2. The film holds up incredibly well. I hadn't watched it the full way through in years but the ensemble cast, the visual fx, the screenplay and how it sprinkles so many moments of doubt throughout (ie. characters disappearing off-screen for just long enought to appear suspiciou). It stumbles a bit at the climax but more than makes up for it with the legendary ending. Anyway my main comment: I love, love, LOVE the setup of having Childs and Garry tied to the same bench as the the Thing as it transforms. It is absolute peak genre movie goodness and a perfect example of how Carpenter just "gets it". It has you screaming, laughing, and wincing all at once. And it's the type of scene that you just know absolutely kills in a packed cinema. Also what are your top John Carpenter movies. For a while I actually considered The Thing really good but a tad overrated, although after this rewatch I think it could be up at the top 1. The Thing 2. Big Trouble 3. They Live 4. The Fog (super underrated) 5. In The Mouth of Madness 6. Prince of Darkness 7. Escape from NY I did like Escape from NY, it just didn't click with me as much as I thought it would. Still have a fair few to watch and I didn't list Halloween because it's been so long since I've watched it that it would be pointless

Samier Mukhashen

Having this be my first time watching The Thing I didn't know much about this movie besides the basic premise. I didn't think a classic looking UFO would be the first thing you see. Caught me really by surprise for some reason. And then we get to the scene with the dog running from the helicopter. Watching with some other friends who haven't seen the film we thought it would be funny if they were actually hunting the dog. Imagine our surprise to them cutting back to the helicopter and the guy has a gun now and is taking pot shots at the dog. We all just assumed they were just following the dog or were gonna capture it. We're not even 5 mins in and this movie has gotten me twice.

Brian W

Mcready is totally a thing right? The biggest tell for me is he specifically lets the dudes head crawl out of sight before letting the guys in to flame the body. This lets it sprout legs and scuttle away giving mcready the idea for the test. He used the other thing as a setup to appear more human. I don’t remember seeing mcready put his own blood on a dish and chiles calls him out when he passes. There’s also something to be said about the alcohol. Mcready is drinking it all the time. He gives it to Blair after taking a swig who becomes a thing. Chiles at the end is drinking. He’s either a thing who got the taste for it or is an easy way for mcready to turn him with backwash?