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RFR Q&A #35: Coming To Terms with The Sequels (Patreon)

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Because we try to appreciate the Star Wars that IS and not dwell over the Star Wars that ISN'T, old-school original "Star Wars Generation" fans like myself and Matt Rashid are trying our damnedest to make sense of the whole Sequel Trilogy. Join us as we attempt to come to terms with the Sequels. Plus, Matt brings up some plot points from THE RISE OF SKYWALKER novelization, and we talk a bit about action figure collecting and the new wave of fan-produced items that have our mouths watering. - JMac  

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Brian Robinson

Thanks for the Pro Custom and The Fans Strike Back suggestions. Wasn't Jocasta Nu a Brian's Toys exclusive? I remember them being dumped on the Celebration Anaheim show floor at their booth for $15 each.

Clark Wilson

Great conversation! I really appreciated the unvarnished sequel trilogy and Rebels criticism. I know we have to grapple with the Star Wars that “is”, but I enjoyed hearing many of my own views echoed by you both.

Blake Weaver

Really good show. Gonna get a second listen in. You guys touched on so much. Really enjoyed hearing you guys talk “the wars”.

Steven M DuBrey

I’ve got to respectfully disagree with the premise of Jimmy’s dislike of the world between worlds. If the force can’t be represented by a place then Mortis needs to go too. I personally love both and love the way Filoni pushed the fantasy side of Star Wars in Rebels.

Peter Beisser

You get a feeling that these two guys have a strong rapport now. JMac would take the baton and run off in the early days of these Q&As, but Matt's stepped up to become a legit counterpart that you can tell is really respected.

Commander Bly

HA! My local Target still has the same 3 Molochs from Solo & 4 TLJ Snoke peg warmers! 🤷🏻‍♂️ I keep waiting for the Snokes to go on clearance, so I can make myself a jar of pickled Snokes.

Matt Rashid
>>37302741

You’re right about Mortis, Steven. That’s why I was, ultimately, ok with the world between worlds, but it walked a fine line, which is why I also see Jimmy’s point.

Matt Rashid
>>37305379

That’s really kind of you, Peter. Jimmy, so sorry I brought you down to my level.

Steven M DuBrey
>>37302741

Yeah. It definitely falls into that realm of maybe too far for some people. I tend to be attracted toward the more out there Star Wars. I like it when it’s crazy with a purpose. World between worlds never felt lazy or squeezed in to me, I felt like it was planned the entire time along with all the other crazy Lothal force stuff. We saw some truly envelope pushing force stuff centered around that planet and it’s temple.

Rebel Force Radio
>>37302741

I don't believe that Mortis was an actual place where Anakin, Ahsoka, and Obi-Wan visited. I believe the three of them shared a profound Force Vision. Ezra, on the other hand, pushed on a rock and found himself in some weird Force Realm where he could affect the events of history. Hated it.

Matt Rashid
>>37302741

Mortis reminded me of the Ship of Lights from the original Battlestar Galactica.

Steven M DuBrey
>>37302741

I know you feel that way Jim. And it’s a totally valid opinion. That’s what’s so great about that kind of Star Wars. It’s undefined. I am just getting though the start of season three Rebels declassified (for the second time) and it makes perfect sense that you don’t dig that stuff and never did, but I think there is room for all of it in the the Star Wars universe. Even the worst of the EU never broke it, and Rebels is far, far from that.

Eric from Phoenix

Great job Matt, fun episode as always. A couple thoughts: 1) Darth Maul - he definitely had more dialogue then you would expect, however, I think he was the “map pointer”. He gave important information that the audience (and Ahsoka) needed to understand. 2) Hope - My gosh Jimmy, direct hit! This has driven me crazy over the last couple of years. No need to be as heavy handed telling the audience about hope. We will figure it out without you saying it. Also, agree with your comments on faith. It’s there in Rogue One but not really there in the sequels. Once again, one of the key aspects of George’s original vision and his six movies.

Commander Bly
>>37330081

Regarding hope: I think of the way news media used to report the news and then the people would decide what was most important and how they felt about it. Now, the news tells us what’s important AND how we should feel about it. Uncle George didn’t simply echo current trends and cater to modern sensibilities and agendas the way Disney has. Instead, he focused on the foundational stories our society was built upon and invited young people to interpret those tropes for themselves inviting curiosity and exploration. Disney failed to promote an exploration of faith in the Sequels. There’s no inspirational message about the mysticism of a higher power. Instead, we see the Force treated more as tool for personal gain. I, at least, didn’t receive a message that stuck about “...an all-powerful Force controlling...everything”.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>37302741

Hey Matt, so I recommend you keep giving Jedi: Fallen Order a shot. I just played through it a week ago, and it has some interesting story points and twists you might appreciate. You mentioned you didn't feel compelled by the idea that Cal is another "chosen one" sort. Well, not to spoil anything, but that's just a "from a certain point of view" thing from the character who tells him she believes he'll remake the Jedi Order. Don't let that fool you into thinking it's about that. I won't say any more. Just suffice it to say it turns out in the end to be very different than how it's presented in the beginning, and different in a good way. Give it another try! :D

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>37302741

Given that the Anchorites are fairly clearly represented on that rock wall in Rebels, I think it's a fair thing to say they were real beings that could be interacted with physically. Clearly, the Jedi of the distant past had seen them with their own eyes to have put their images on the temple. I find it doubtful various people from various times were having their own Force visions of the same exact images! Besides that, Sidious himself addresses them as being real in part because he wants their power; and that historian or advisor of his mentions various records in the Jedi Temple that mention the Anchorites as real beings. The Anchorites themselves mention how they had lived out in the galaxy at one point before they were more or less exiled to Mortis, where it sounds like they were self-contained by the Father. The Father says at one point that the Jedi knew of them, I believe; but that the Anchorites' power could easily be abused by others, so they had to remain hidden. Keep in mind, too, that Obi-wan gets a distress call over a thousand years old just before they go into Mortis, which seems to lend credence to the tangible reality of the Anchorites in time, space, and in history. But I think they are definitely of a higher power, a higher order of being, than the galaxy has seen in millennia. Something ancient and beyond comprehension. Not entirely unlike the Bendu. In other words, nature made manifest in a literal way. I think they harness the power of nature and of the Force to such a high degree that they possess powers beyond imagining, able to do things with the mind, with physical objects like their own world, that defy comprehension. I'm not sure why it's a problem for a lot of people to see how it's even a possibility. If the Force really is the power that drives the galaxy, why couldn't there be these miraculous and supernatural beings out there able to do things so powerful they are labelled by some as "gods"? I don't think the Force should be put into a box. To do so is a disservice to the deeper truths it represents--or at least comes very close to being a disservice. It seems clear to me that the Force doesn't have such limitations. Isn't that what makes it so endlessly compelling to talk about, after all? Why not broaden one's horizons and accept that it defies such efforts to define it? It's like what Ahsoka says to Ezra: The more you learn about the Force, the more you realize how much more there is to learn. ;)

Steven M DuBrey
>>37302741

DAMN Boyyy!!! That’s what I’m talking about, but didn’t put the effort into. Whooooo😅

Sean W. from Warsaw

I don't see where the problem is for Maul to be so "chatty." Isn't this in keeping with his prideful and arrogant character, after all? Why wouldn't he want to take full advantage of the opportunity at hand to make Ahsoka understand as fully as possible what's about to befall her master and friend, in order to rub it all in her face as the boastful monster he's always been? I don't think he's ever been about "the mystery." He's a monster waiting to be unleashed, someone who can't keep himself restrained and will jump at every opportunity to rub his enemies' faces in what they don't know or don't want to accept. Look at how often it happens in the Clone Wars series, after all. So he's not so much "chatty" as he is pridefully and arrogantly boastful. Totally works.

Sean W. from Warsaw

I don't see what good Maul fighting Vader in Rebels would have done as a replacement to him confronting Obi-wan one last time. Vader would certainly have killed him...but to what really narrative end...? I don't feel like there would have been as strong of a payoff as when he confronts Obi-wan. Revenge against Obi-wan, after all, is what has driven his very existence all through the Clone Wars. That his final confrontation was taken away from him at the end of Clone Wars by Ahsoka showing up instead of Obi-wan would mean he wouldn't be able to stop thinking about him all those years controlling Crimson Dawn. It makes sense for him to still be pursuing Obi-wan with a vengeance by the time Rebels happens. The only worthwhile payoff to his story is to have that final showdown he's always wanted. That's his story. And it was done very eloquently. Obi-wan would naturally have grown far beyond Maul...though aged and likely not the same swordsman he was before due to his time in exile. He would have to have been more strategic and careful about any time he bore his weapon. Even moreso in that final duel. It tells the story of Obi-wan in his final years right. And for the better. A Jedi isn't about power, after all. Maul was. Obi-wan would've wanted to end it as quickly, though as mercifully, as possible. And he did. But on his own terms. Not Maul's. He wasn't going to give Maul the satisfaction of the fight he always wanted for years and years. That's not Obi-wan. Especially not with what he learned over the years of reflection of the failure of the Jedi to give into their aggression in the war. Play time was over for Kenobi for good. It could only be serious business.

Matt Rashid
>>37302741

Sean, you just typed out my guilt over not continuing it. Lol. I’ve wanted to resume it and now you’ve rekindled my interest. Thank you!

Steven M DuBrey

Holy Shhheeeeeit!! Who invited this guy to the party and how’d he get in my head!?!

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>37302741

Steven M DuBrey: Thanks! Yeah, it's been on my mind for a long time. It's hard to write out these thoughts in a succinct way sometimes, especially when dealing with something so vast. Sometimes you just have to go for the gusto, I guess!

Jeremy Hopper

JM - totally agree that the characters are more likable in 9. It’s not just that we are more used to them. Rey is great as always, but Finn seems way more mature and interesting, and Poe is more fun. You enjoy going on the journey with them. And the side characters like Zorii and Babu and Lando light up the screen when compared to the relative drag of scenes in 8 with Holdo, Rose