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RFR Q&A #74: Luke Skywalker, Pacifist (Patreon)

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"Your weapons, you will not need them". Luke avoided Yoda's advice in THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, but did he eventually learn "wars not make one great"? Where did Luke's story go following RETURN OF THE JEDI? Did Luke follow the path of a warrior or a peaceful monk as he tried to rebuild the Jedi Order? RFR VIP Sean Wanty is back to get deep and discuss! Plus, we learn how Sean became a STAR WARS fan and more! 

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Antonio from NJ

Ah perfect timing, about to start on a big work project Always enjoy a Sean W episode! When do the rfr vips get their own round table haha ;) No per diem no liam

Ben P. Stein

I just saw the intriguing title and when I heard Jimmy announce Sean as the guest host, I involuntarily pumped my fist and gave a thumbs up. Thank you and I hope to meet both of you not too long from now at a convention or other event not too far away.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>64518251

I'm always humbled by these sorts of reactions. Thank you. ;) And yeah, it would be great to meet you, man! Now that things are starting to get more back to normal, it's looking like that might happen. Fingers crossed! Anyways, hope the episode turned out well!

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>64511280

LOL on the per diem line! As you heard in the episode, I couldn't contain my laughter trying to say it. It's an RFR instant classic, in my book. :D

Sean W. from Warsaw

So this Q&A was kind of a strange one for me, as I had never really sat down and processed about Luke with anyone, at least not in any serious sort of way. So, I'm still kind of in this territory of not really knowing what to do with him after ROTJ, even if I can enjoy EU material for its own sake. I'm curious to know what everyone thinks.

Antonio from NJ
>>64511280

You, Matt R, Other Matt R, The Jeffs, Nat, Rob, and 'Eric from' would all be great a rotating roundtable

Rebel Force Radio

Please do not promote other Star Wars podcasts within this group. Any posts will be deleted. Thanks.

Jeff Holland
>>64511280

The "No per diem, no Liam" needs to be on a shirt! Make it so, Jason and JMac!

Antonio from NJ
>>64557346

Haha oh man cris macht is going to be upset jk Another great qa Jimmy. Just stared them from the beginning.

Antonio from NJ
>>64511280

All i want is the following tshirts: * no per diem, no liam * Babue Freaks hey, hey, * chut, chut

Jeff LeCrone

I think there’s a lot to be said about the idea that Luke would become a pacifist. That’s how he achieved ultimate victory - not through firing rockets, but in laying down his lightsaber to redeem his father. However, like the guys in this Q&A, I don’t think that would mean he would abandon the Jedi order entirely (if for no other reason than that you shouldn’t market a new trilogy on that concept 😄). But I would have liked to have seen him establish a reformed Jedi order that took the ‘always for defense, never for attack’ mantra more seriously than the clone wars-era Jedi did. In that respect, I could see older Luke staying out of a galactic conflict, but still finding ways to have an impact.

Blake Weaver

Really interesting conversation Sean. I know in my head Luke after ROTJ traveled the galaxy learning the secrets of the force. Only after growing more as a Jedi would be have started a new academy. I think he would have been much older when teaching for the first time. A young Luke after ROTJ was still such a new Jedi.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>64557346

This is something that has confused me, which I need some clarification on. Didn't you guys comment a while back on Star Wars Theory's fan film Vader: Shards of the Past? (The amazing review can be found here:https://www.rebelforceradio.com/shows/2019/1/11/rfr-january-11-2019) How does this exactly work for you guys? I also ask in light of this question: How am I supposed to be able to provide sources for what I reference? I like to be able to provide this stuff as opposed to merely word of mouth. Is there really no way to do so without it being perceived as "promoting" another podcast? Certainly wasn't my intention to do so, only to provide source references. I figured if I couldn't do so on the show that a forum should be viable. Hope this doesn't come across the wrong way or anything. I'm honestly just confused and don't know how to go about providing the material for what I reference. Clarification would be most welcome!

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>64564950

That's sort of what I was thinking was the tease at the end of TLJ, with the way Luke appeared to Kylo, etc. Especially in regard to his death in having saved others through non-violence and letting others' aggression get the better of them. I think Luke was making the biggest statement of all as to what the new Jedi should look like by his final actions. But it would seem the jury is still out on this whole question as to what the new Jedi will look like--or even if there will be a new order at all.... Topic for a future episode, I guess!

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>64571891

It was a good one, for sure. Helped me process some things I had never processed before. It's fuel for the fire, for sure, even if I'm still not sure where I land on everything.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>64572651

Yeah, that seems to be an interpretation that makes the most sense. I guess for me, I really, REALLY wish Lucas had just come out and made an official statement or something. (Honestly I wish he would have just done the further adventures of Luke onscreen....) We get statements from Lucasfilm folks now and then about what Lucas had in treatments for his ST, etc, but even the Paul Duncan book I referenced seems to be at odds with those statements from the Lucasfilm reps. Anyways, Luke is definitely a learner, and I don't see him not going out to learn more about the past of his order. It's how he would teach and what the new philosophy would be that gets me wondering. Him throwing his weapon down in ROTJ makes a fairly bold statement, after all, about who he is and what he believes in. It's good stuff...but so complex when you think about it for his character going forward.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>64557346

I'm also confused from that podcast episode in that, in that link for the episode above, you guys provided a link to Theory's film on his channel. Like I said, I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way. I love you guys, obviously! I'm just very confused on how all this stuff works.

Blake Weaver
>>64572651

That’s one thing I’ve loved with my honestly very limited knowledge of the EU so far is that Luke has these all kinds of crazy adventures. If it’s true George didn’t like those stories I respect that. But now as a guy in his 30’s with some limited disposable income taking in a lot of those stories for the first time it’s a real treat. I wish so bad the sequels gave Luke the adventure he deserved on screen after ROTJ.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>64572651

I know, man! Like Hamill said, missed opportunities.... But even in that, Star Wars is doing what it's always done best: Letting us use our own imaginations to fill in the blanks. Like, what did the adventures of Luke and Lando look like?! Man, that'd be sweet! For me, I've never fully understood why it was that Lucas would repeatedly say that there was no further story after ROTJ when so many creative minds had told some of the best stories ever about these characters. But at least it's let us fill in those gaps ourselves and live with the characters in our imaginations a bit. So, even while I don't fully get it with Luke in the ST, I can still get on board enough to have fun with it. Besides, chances seem pretty good right now we will see Luke return after that amazing Mando Season 2 conclusion! Makes the wait that much easier. :D

David Fieldsend

Great talk as always with Sean and Jimmy! Ive always thought of Luke after ROTJ as a super powerful high priest of a new jedi order and young republic rather than as an adventurer. Sure he’d seek out the history and artifacts of the jedi of the past, but more as a Gandalf and less as an Aragorn. He seemed to progress with the force and spirituality at a very quick pace from farm boy on a backwater planet to standing poised against Palpatine. The continuance of that wisdom and knowledge of the force and spiritual awakening makes sense to me

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>64643325

Very interesting comparison to LOTR. Definitely worth considering. I'm still on the fence. Your idea and everyone else's all make sense. But if even Lucas seemed torn about what to do with him, everything seems a wash for me! Probably some interesting, unique combo of everything. Such a complex character!

Eric from Phoenix
>>64583970

Trying to figure out how to get into contact with you without giving personal details in this chat. Lol

Peter Beisser
>>64583970

Yeah, Patreon is lacking some features, right? Just hit me up on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, or Instagram. I'm Peter Beisser in all of them or pjbeisser. Whichever one you use.

Eric from Phoenix
>>64564950

I agree. Could see Luke focus on “knowledge and defense” but still fight as a last resort. He would never give up on his family and friends (just watch OT for reference) and would fight to save them.

Eric from Phoenix

Great job Sean! You always have the deep thoughts episodes. Fun stuff to think about.

Rob Strecker

I think the idea of all the voices is to get the point across that all she is all the Jedi, just like Sidious is all the Sith.

Rob Strecker
>>64583970

I have in my head a comic RFR intro in years to come. "My friend and yours from Chicago, Jimmy Mac."........."Jimmy?".........."What?" "Can you hear me? We're live."........"Darn headphones, I can't hear a thing and they're brand new."....JIMMY, TURN ON YOUR HEARING AIDS." LOL

Philip Ehlke

Just got around to listening! I second Rob’s comment—the important thing isn’t necessarily who the voices belong to. I like to imagine some part of each Jedi’s consciousness persists after death (perhaps even non-Jedi, supposing there’s a conscious afterlife as many believe), and that they were joined together in a chorus during a pivotal moment. I love delving into the esoteric, which is why I can tolerate a lot of weirdness in Star Wars, but I also prefer things be kept grounded and scientific where appropriate.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>65878648

I thought I'd go back and listen to this episode again and see the comments again, and I just noticed yours! Good thoughts. I'd probably be down with your theory about consciousnesses, but for the Yoda arc at the end of Season 6 that seems to definitively answer what happens to those who aren't given "the gift," as the Priestesses call it: Immortality. They answer Yoda's concerns with confidence that only a small handful have ever been given it, and that it's only something that can be given. I could be wrong, as it's been a while since I've seen those episodes, but I seem to remember them saying this to Yoda. That Qui-gon asserts the same only reinforces the exclusivity of it. It's something earned through a very specific process, somehow. That being said, it makes me wonder if Qui-gon didn't end up reaching out to those Jedi who spoke to Rey while they were still alive in order to teach them the path to immortality...yet I'm confused, too, because the Priestesses say or infer that the gift has only been given in times of greatest need for great, cosmic purpose. The Jedi who spoke to Rey could have a much higher calling, then. Something Jimmy and I discussed in another Q&A, wondering about the netherworld of the Force and the purpose of those with that higher calling who transcend with their consciousnesses and identity. It would seem like their role is to pass on wisdom, but also something else behind the scenes. That they revealed themselves to Rey is an important point in time, obviously; but they also communes with even Leia before, at least a few times, hence her teaching Rey to commune with them at the beginning of TROS, which presumably she learned from Luke, who probably learned it from Yoda, who got it from Qui-gon who got it from the Priestesses. Revealing something like the fact that they exist in and of itself seems like a big deal for only a handful of people to know about it (Qui-gon even tells Yoda to tell no one about what happened to him at the Wellsprings, I believe, or to tell no one he communes with him. Presumably it was the same down the line with each of the above listed people.) Makes me wonder what's going on there to be so secretive. Something incredibly important, for sure.

Philip Ehlke
>>65878648

Yes, nothing to be taken lightly. It’s wise to adopt the utmost skepticism when dealing with communication beyond the grave. The dogmatic view would say that it’s always a deception from dark forces, but clearly it’s a power that can be used for good if practiced responsibly and in times of great need

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>65878648

For sure. It puts me in mind of what was going on with Palpatine and his search for immortality. He seemed to believe in Rebels that he could achieve this via the World Between Worlds, if I remember right. The idea of knowledge of what's beyond this life in a galaxy where the Force exists as this cosmic energy field seems to imply at times that it can be harnessed for great evil--even when acknowledging, as per the Yoda arc, that the time of even someone that powerful will eventually come to an end; that, for evil, there can be no everlasting life, only death. It's why I love Qui-gon's scene in ROTS from the novelization so much, and wish Lucas had kept it in. He verifies with certitude that immortality is something evil can never achieve. As a fable or morality tale, Star Wars is firing on all cylinders when it comes to this stuff, especially! And it's why I think that scene with Rey and the voices in the heavens works so poignantly for the conclusion of the saga--even while expanding the mythology tenfold as per our above speculation about how those Jedi achieved immortality and why they were given it. Quite well done.