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THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT After Show #3: "The Streets of Mos Espa" (Patreon)

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AUDIO PODCAST! 

THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT is back this week with Chapter 3 "The Streets of Mos Espa". What did we learn? What was revealed? Join us for a LIVE (and lively) discussion complete with your phone calls. From The Mayor’s office to the rancor pit…From Krrstantan to The Pykes, we talk about everything!

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Steve Gilmore

Wasn’t my favorite. Wasn’t bad and had some good parts but could have done without some of it.

Adam Taylor

So happy to hear you guys liked it (I’m only 3 minutes in to show) I have a tendency to fall under the spell of negativity when other people hate on stuff. I personally loved episode 3, it was so Star Wars, and SO SO SO EU! Loved it 🥰

David Grunert

Jimmy and Jason another great show which is the norm for everything you do. As for my input I have enjoyed BoBF isn’t it perfect no but my gripes with the show are far out weighed by the positives. Besides the space vespas and the use of the term mate I enjoyed the episode. The inclusion of krrsantan is awesome I suspect he will reappear in the finally with a hope he enters a life debt with Boba which I think would be kinda cool. A new rancor and rancor keeper added to boba’s family another cool inclusion, the next episode should see boba awaken all those suppressed bounty Hunter skills as he hunts down the swoop/speeder gang and those responsible.

Peter Beisser

God knows I've been critical at times over the years about SW. But I just got this sense in the chat that there was a lot of folks ready to come down hard on this week's episode. Some real harsh stuff. And there were clearly things about it that were a bit off. And everyone is entitled to their opinions. I'm just glad that this thing exists just to give us something to sit and talk about and have a bit of fun--even if everything isn't exactly how Boba Fett was in our minds when we were 8-years-old.

RobO from ChicagO

Rewatched the episode again, wasn’t as bad as the first time. I’d rather have mediocre live action Star Wars then no Star Wars at all, but can’t help but feel disappointed with the series so far. Don’t mean to poo poo on anyone else’s opinion though, glad others are enjoying it!

Blake Weaver

Great live show this week. I called in and talked to Tyler a bit and my views of the episode match his. I loved a vast majority of it. Tatooine was the very first planet we ever saw in the SW universe it deserves all the world building it can get which this show has done. While this episode plot wise didn’t blow me away I didn’t hate it either. Take that embarrassingly awful speeder chase out of it and I coulda given it a solid 8/10 score.

ANDREW KNUDSON

Did anybody else get some back to the future vibes from the street chase? The Mod gang reminded me of Biffs grandsons grand from back to the future 2 and the majordomos car getting filled with fruit really felt like when buffs car got filled with manure in the original. Overall good episode of Boba to me. Great Aftershow as always guys!

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>75583315

I especially appreciated the nod to the Dathomir Nightsisters riding the rancor. Quite a deep cut there that I honestly didn't think I'd ever hear about due to how Lucas changed up the Nightsisters a bit in the Clone Wars. Even if it's only a legend and not strictly true in that world it's really cool to hear. :D

Eric from Phoenix
>>75601435

Couldn’t agree more Peter. My wife said last night that this isn’t the Boba Fett from Empire. I totally agreed with her but said he isn’t supposed to be. He was the Fett of Empire when he fell into the pit and is different after getting out. That’s the thing that I think most people aren’t considering. Who he is was shaped in the 5 years post the sarlacc and we haven’t seen all of what happened to him in these first three chapters. Trust me, there are things I don’t think have worked in this series but overall there is a ton to like and some things to love.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>75607351

I like what you said about Tatooine being the first world we ever saw. I think I'm gonna post something down below in the forums here about that to gauge everyone's thoughts a bit, if you wanna check it out.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>75611254

I will say that while I didn't care for the chase, the one caller who talked about Pink Panther inspirations, etc, really woke me up to appreciating it more. In that vein, it really does feel like Lucas! Not the besr executed, but I can look at it better, at least.

Sean W. from Warsaw

I was hoping to hear this topic talked about on the show, but I realise you can't get in everything: What does everyone think of this idea that's been brought up a few times that Tatooine was once supposedly covered in water...? It was really bothering me for reasons I couldn't quite pinpoint. I ended up talking with my wife about it, even! (She's not hardcore like us, but she humored me. Lol) Anyways, I couldn't quite figure it out, but then I saw the comment above from Blake Weaver which brought it home: Tatooine is the first world we ever saw in Star Wars. It is, in essence, part of the heart and soul of Star Wars; something that has consistently grounded us in the familiar. The idea being presented that Tatooine was vastly different takes that away. It redefines something that has been at the core of Star Wars ever since the beginning. To me, that's too much like saying the Lars Homestead used to be brothel or something! Why not just leave Tatooine alone and do something with this idea with another planet? Anyways, just wondering if anyone else is feeling the same way or if it's just me. Thoughts?

Tyler Page
>>75607351

Speeder chase was very weak. But it didn’t leave me hating the entire episode and thinking the roof is on fire for BOBF. There’s meat on the bone in this series just gotta keep chewing! Great talking to you Blake!

Sean W. from Warsaw

What does everyone think about the other idea being touted about, that Tuskens were supposedly the first people who dwelt in the deserts and thus have a right to that land? I think it's very interesting that Boba somehow immediately latches onto that idea and totally runs with it--without openly questioning it first, even! What would motivate him to just accept this? I find it quite odd. Ideas?

Tyler Page
>>75626919

Personally, I think Star Wars is notorious for taking something you thought you knew entirely and flipping it on its head to give you a fresh perspective. Changing the history of Tatooine should enrich our understanding of the story and deepen our connection to the planet if done properly if it’s not done properly you get TLJ. It also brings a more physical element to the Sand vs. Water theme shown in the flashbacks. Boba’s origin is from water and his spiritual rebirth is from the sand. Which could be seen as the same thing that’s happening with Tatooine. With this I think they changed the history so that they could use Tatooine as a metaphor for Boba himself. Also of note, Boba is now recovering in a tank of water (Bacta) on a planet entirely made up of sand. To me this visualization represents that Boba is going to bring Tatooine back to its original greatness and he will have the rootedness on Tatooine that he once had on Kamino. Lastly, Kenobi totally ran a brothel on Tatooine!! (Apologies for the long comment also just my opinion here)

Blake Weaver
>>75626919

I say why not have Tatooine have a grand past. It gives it a feeling it’s a growing changing universe just like ours. Compare earth to when dinosaurs roamed it millions of years ago and everything god did in between from my point of view. I love it! And it lays groundwork for amazing stories to be told in the distant past. I’d love to see that in comic or novel form.

Blake Weaver
>>75627079

I actually found this relatable. I’m a Floridian but I grew up near Washington DC where we had the Washington redskins football team. While they aren’t called that anymore I grew up with a appreciation for the people that were here first just because my local football team gave me a interest in Native American culture ( now I’m a Miami fan oh well ). But I think the Star Wars universe could mirror ours. People would know the history of planets cultures and histories. They could have sympathy towards native cultures on any given planet.

Adam from Indy

Basically, my opinion boils down to this, I don’t like RR’s directorial style. Story was great, but, like the first episode, his style rubs me the wrong way. The chase scene was especially off putting. I’m glad it works for others, just not me. Love the show overall, though.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>75626919

In response to Tyler: Wow, some deep stuff, there! I love what you said most about the symbolism of the bacta and Boba's life, rebirth, etc. But I have to push back a bit. To change the history of the most beloved planet (or at least most recognized) in SW for the sake of one character's evolution--and a villain's, at that--may be too far of a redefinition of somethinf already so treasured. Given its controversial nature (at least to myself) why not push more the idea that, say, it's a legend or myth that Tatooine was covered in water? In that way, it's more in line with the already mythical nature of SW and its type of storytelling. But to go into something else: What do you mean when you say that this visualization will likely mean Boba will bring Tatooine back to its original greatness? I'm confused especially from the perspective of him being a crime boss! Lol If anything, he's bound to sink the society further into the dark side like most crime bosses do, I would imagine. Anyways, great thoughts all around, Tyler! Looking forward to hearing more from you.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>75626919

In response to Blake: Have you read the old EU comic series about the beginning of the Jedi like 25 thousand years before the films? Can't remember what it's called right at this moment, but I think Jimmy did a Q&A on it a while back. Anyways, that series has stories about Tatooine when it was covered in water. Could be something right up your alley if you haven't already checked it out!

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>75626919

As a general response to both of you guys, you both have some amazing thoughts, which I appreciate. But for myself, I hold certain things in SW to be pretty precious, and this is one of them. Short of Lucas himself coming in and changing something as big as this up, it runs too much a risk of a mere novelty or a whim without enough substance to back up such a change, and which could risk being overused to the detriment of Star Wars. I was joking with my wife that we'll probably next find out Kamino was a desert hellscape; Mustafar a tropical paradise; and Hoth a lava world! Etc. What I'm getting at is, while these sorts of pasts for planets are by no means unreasonable from a perspective of history, from the perspective of what Lucas was going for in terms of each world he created representing a mythic archetypal idea, I just have a hard time accepting such a change--especially when that change seems like it goes against that archetype. The rules for SW, as laid so carefully by Lucas, are very different than the rules for so many other fictional universes. And that has got to be respected. Just very worried such changes are too willy-nilly and not looking at the rules Lucas established closely enough.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>75626919

I just had an epiphany about all this. In some strange tangible/intangible balanced way, I think what Lucas was going for in making his worlds was that they represent something primordial. These worlds, in other words, are both in history and outside it in that universe. Because of what they represent mythically and as archetypes, I don't think they should change: They are timeless. This may be a bit of an esoteric approach, but I firmly believe this is what Lucas was doing with how he made these worlds to be. And if that really is true, how do you change them?

Rebel Force Radio
>>75626919

Earth was once one large continent, if you follow evolution. Planets change. Think Carl Sagan: "Billions and Billions of years". It's hard to fathom.

RobO from ChicagO
>>75626919

In the KOTOR game you learn from the Tuskens that thousands of years ago Tatoine use to be a lush planet filled with life. “The Builders” referred to as the Rakata Empire enslaved many planets and their inhabitants, Tatoine being one. After many years of enslavement The natives then began an uprising and fought the Builders. Ultimately the Builders left Tattoine but scorched the planet turning life into glass/sand, leaving the Natives to hide in caves until they emerged free from the enslavement, but their planet destroyed. There’s more too it and I know KOTOR isn’t “canon”, but it’s a great story. Jimmy Mac if you read this I want to talk about it! Lol

RobO from ChicagO
>>75632879

Agreed 100%, RR just does not fit the Star Wars universe. Star Wars is it’s own genre, the director should adapt to Star Wars not the other way around.

Tyler Page
>>75626919

Yea they totally could’ve gone the myth route if that’s what they wanted to do without impacting the history but I feel like the myth vs. the reality of it would be saying the same thing in the end. Bringing Tatooine back to being a liveable world is what I would mean by “greatness”. Sure he’s a crime boss but right now they’ve got a corrupt mayor and a bunch of factions. I think if Boba takes over (at least mos espa) could be liveable. He showed he doesn’t want price gouging and people without work already at least! He’s a crime boss with a heart lol!

Travis Brooks

After listening to the show... how is it NOT POSSIBLE for Boba to not have the Slave 1? He's already rescued Fennic. Delt with Bib Fortuna. This all lines up with the end of Season 2 of Mando. That ship is his secret weapon.... and maybe a late season appearance of the Mandalorian himself...

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>75626919

Everyone brings up good points, for sure. But I'm thoroughly stuck on the archetypal rules Lucas established. Tatooine has always had that timeless feel to it; that "something familiar" kind of quality Luke Skywalker described Dagobah as having. I think Tatooine is even "like something out of a dream." I think the magic of Tatooine would really run the risk of being spoiled by changing it so much, if these stories about its past are true. I recognize I may look at these things way, way different than most people do, but call me an old softie, Tatooine is just too precious! It's kinda like what Swank had brought up a few times about stories of the High Republic: It's problematic because if you go so far back in time you lose elements that ground the audience in the Star Wars world. I think the same principle can be applied to something like this. However far back this is supposed to go, if you go so far back in time to tell a story about Tatooine's ancient past when it was all water, how much else is changed in the SW world? How much more familiarity and sense of being grounded is lost? Would, say, Coruscant be just settlements? Would Dagobah be like Endor? And so forth. This is in large part why, for as much as novelty as those comics about the beginning of the Jedi are, they just never brought me in: There's next to nothing that I can latch onto, or so it seems. Tatooine included. I think those stories would have been served much, much better if Tatooine had remained the same as we've always known it for the reasons I just cited above: The timelessness of the world. The dreamlike quality. The magic. And the wonder, for that matter: How could this world remain unchanged for so long when so much else changes? I feel like, if they're gonna make a major change like that for a character, as Tyler proposed, it would be better served by far if it were with a greater, more mythic type of character in mind--namely, a Skywalker. That family is tied intrinsically to Tatooine, after all. And their influence is mythic in proportions. But even then, Tatooine would run the risk of losing that magic and wonder, etc, I defined above. I just think the storytellers have got to be more careful with this stuff, whatever history and science may be. This is a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, after all. Kinda like how we shouldn't get bent out of shape about sounds being in space in SW, scientific stuff in SW, including scientific history and all that, aren't so important in the end. Scientific history and science are second to the fairytale and the myth

Kyle Starkel
>>75626919

I think the idea that Tatooine once had oceans is very cool and adds to the richness of the planet and its history.

Kyle Starkel
>>75627079

This ain't Boba's first trip around Tatooine. I assume he is aware of the planets history. Who else do you think has claim to the desert, Jawas?

Rebel Force Radio
>>75645177

I was thinking we would see him reacquire it in a flashback. I believe that was the point brought up on the show.

Kyle Starkel

I personally loved the chase and find it hard to wrap my head around people describing it as "embarrassing". The Mayor's Domo (who I admittedly also enjoy as a character) facial expressions were killing me. There were so many fun tangents throughout the chase - the droid pulling the Bith's in the rickshaw, the nod to Anakin's ramp maneuver from Phantom Menace, the back to the future ending, running through the painting, etc. As a prequel lover I was taken off to Star Wars heaven by that chase scene.

Rav Vadgama

It looks like SW, but you can't get around the fact it's AWFUL. The crime lord who doesn't do crime. The elite bounty hunter trusted enough to be in the same room as Vader can't hold off a few sand people or some street hoodlums. Jimmy is right, trust your instinct, and my instinct is BoBF is a show I didn't want and now it's here with its 7Eleven clerks and dollar-store podraces, with endless contradictory back-stories and lack of Slave 1 -- it's poor. Bring on Kenobi and Andor. I love RR's past work. He's a maveric director. But he doesn't get SW. It's supposed to be subtle and people led, with emotional connections. I have no empathy for any of the characters in this show 😫 When the best, most cinematic, most emotional scene is one stolen from Attack of the Clones, it feels desperate. I really feel this show should have been the down and dirty, criminal and dastardly, world of 'The Client' from Mando. Messy, unforgiving, disrespectful, mean, hard, unpredictable, squandering, bounty-hunting, underhand, ruthless and not afraid to show it. Instead we've got honor and respect and family and values. Give me a break! 🙄

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>75627079

My point isn't so much that his knowledge of Tatooine and its inhabitants is limited, but rather that there isn't any context given in the course of the show to reveal why he automatically believes their claim and latches onto it. There's so much that's left unsaid as to his motivations in this show, which is a fair criticism. It's been a thorn in the side of this show since the beginning, which is quite frustrating given how clear motivations were in The Mandalorian. Granted, it's likely that more will be revealed about said motivations, but the idea of him siding with their rather extraordinary claim to the whole of a planet (at least, that's how I took it) without at least expressing some doubt or asking a single question is pretty incredible. Such a claim, I believe, should require some evidence. Otherwise, people can make any claim and persuade anyone that it's true. I've never gotten the impression Boba is a fool, though. If anything, I think he knows how to use a situation pragmatically to his advantage. That he didn't ask how or why as to the Tuskens' claim could very well be him being the cold and calculating character we've always known him to be, realizing he has the perfect tool in his pocket for rallying these raiders to his cause. That seems more likely than him actually believing their claim. But again, we just don't know. As an aside, undoubtedly the history of Tatooine stretches very far back into the mists of time, long forgotten. Peoples have likely come and gone for ages. Given that Shmi Skywalker once stated that the Republic virtually did not exist on Tatooine, the chances are slim to none any records exist of its history in any surviving archives from the Republic-turned-Empire. Even Qui-gon and Obi-wan appeared to have no real knowledge of the world, looking it up in charts and such. The assumption is that it's a backwater world of limited value to anyone but pirates, thieves, and crime lords for plying their trade over hapless populations. And I doubt that they've been interested in preserving any history of that world. There's always other means of finding this stuff out, of course; and a crafty storyteller can work his magic in ways that look easy to an audience. But again--we don't know what the deal is with this new information coming out about the Raiders of Tatooine. And I believe it demands something for the audience to understand better, not just "It has to be true because they said so." We need more meat on the bones than that. I guess time will tell what the upcoming episodes reveal. But if they provide nothing, my point will remain, and Boba's motivations will continue to remain as shrouded in mystery as the claim to the planet.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>75690544

I get ya, man. It's been an interesting back and forth in this vein for me. I think there's a lot of storytelling beats that are great, that have done some really interesting things; but then there's the elephant in the room: Where's the Boba we have all known? And I am having a harder and harder time not seeing this as a redefined version of the character. The RFR boys bring up some interesting points about the character's "baptism" of sorts, but at the same time...is that what we payed to see when we saw the title of the show? I know for myself I was led to believe it would be exactly what you described: Much like "The Client." And for some to argue that because we already got that in Mando that the chance for seeing it in BoBF is played out, I can't disagree more. But I'm also willing to suspend my judgment until I see this season through, because so much has yet to be revealed. It's just not the best start. For myself, what matters most is how a story ends. I guess we'll find out. I just really hope we see the galaxy's Man With No Name finally make that return.... Is he Clint Eastwood or Don Corleone; or is he a new type of savior villain? I don't know, and it's killing me that it's not clearer when it needs to be. Your criticisms are valid, man!

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>75687862

I like this perspective! I was thinking prequel vibes a bit, especiallu with the pit droids and such. Thought it felt very like Lucas in some respects when he would go off the wall nuts. Still not my favorite thing, that scene, but between you and the caller who talked about Pink Panther influences and such, you've helped me better appreciate it. We need more thoughtful comments like these.

Kyle Starkel

There was a time in our lives when the end of Boba Fett’s story was that he was killed when, in a moment that would make General Jar Jar proud, a blind man accidentally jet packed him straight into a hole into the ground. He screamed like a dork as he went down and the hole in the ground belched.

Kyle Starkel
>>75718389

This was actual G-Level canon. And we’re here complaining that Book of Boba Fett isn’t doing the character justice? I don’t buy it.

Adam from Indy

I’m with Jason on the Mod chase scene. It was embarrassing. My twelve year old leaned over to me during it and asked what was wrong with the show. In my opinion the opening chase scene of Solo was also slow, though not as slow as this. I think one problem might be that they are using a speeder body mounted on an actual car and filming on set- I know they did that in Solo. Using that type of effect limits the speed and intensity. Old school RotJ effects worked better. And, like Jason said, if you can’t do it well then it shouldn’t be in there.

Adam from Indy

Also, regarding the chase scenes and Jimmy’s comment about budget limitations, I was thinking about what I’ve scene in Marvel series with chase scenes. They are a cut above, but I assume they are still in a smaller budget. What do you think the difference is, Jimmy?

Rav Vadgama

Sean W -- you're right, pre-judging before the end is silly. Some really great points, appreciate the time you took. I'll watch the series through.

Eileen Melendez

Episode was alright. I think it’s in line with mando where he’s building a team I stead of being solo. He may have to just fight all of these families to get them in line. Can’t do that without a team. Can’t wait to see this rancor in action. They better NOT make it Into this puppy he was treating it as. It better shred some heads. Lol.

Rob Strecker

My issue with this particular episode is that Boba is supposedly being crushed by the wookiee (can't remember the name right now), captions say bones crunching and looked like he was about to pass out, but yet he can get right up about a minute later, put a robe on and walk out to the hall like nothing happened. Is bacta THAT powerful that the lingering drops on his skin healed those crushed bones?