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RFR Q&A #149: The Pitfalls of STAR WARS Nostalgia (Patreon)

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Nostalgia can be a funny thing. Sometimes, re-experiencing something you've known since youth can keep old feelings vibrant. Sometimes, the memories outshine the actual experience and it doesn't live up to expectations. As STAR WARS fans, we consume the new content in many different ways and much of it is dependant on our nostalgia for the saga. Such is the challenge of maintaining the integrity of a 45 year old franchise while still creating fresh and compelling content. Does nostalgia hurt STAR WARS?  And where do we go from here? RFR V.I.P. Peter Beisser is back on the Q&A to present his take! 

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Eric from Phoenix

Can’t wait to listen. Glad you’re back Peter!

Philip Ehlke

Haven’t listened yet but I learned somewhere (probably the YouTube channel Vsauce) that nostalgia had a largely negative connotation until a few decades ago. It even used to be classified as a mental disorder resulting from social fragmentation and alienation whenever someone had trouble adapting to a new environment.

James Lawrence

Thank you - loved listening to this. I think it’s experiencing Star Wars back then that in part means we feel the same now we are middle aged. You guys talking about that really resonated with me 😀

Jared Cantor

Ditto what Eric said. Sounds like a great topic and it's wonderful to have Peter host another show!

Antonio from NJ

great convo Peter as always! Interestingly enough I noticed my nephews who are around mid to late-20s starting to have those nostalgia conversations over the holidays. It was specifically about NFL, but it was interesting to hear them speak about how the game is changing and how they preferred how it was in the 2000s ha. And love the comment Pete about the rewatching and limited VHs taps/dvds. Agree with Jmac about volume of entertainment out there. I remember hen I'd buy a video game when I was a kid and that was it. That was the game for the year haha. Now there are so many options to the point I never finish some games let alone re play them. Feel like its in the replay where we fall in love with our favorite songs, books, movies, etc. And geez I couldnt agree more about the dark times. That is when my fandom bloomed. I was in 5th grade in 95 and my SW was VHS/books and dark forces. I always feel like the legend of SW was able to really bloom in the dark times because it was drip feed and not everything was defined - allowing us to speculate for fun. edit - Holy sheet - @JMac @Peter there needs to be QA on Pete's trip the Rollling Stones history. I'd love to hear some of those stories!

Nick Whenham

Great conversation. Really enjoyed this - thanks both!

Quinnton PNW

That was great! I totally agree with Peter on the direction he wants Star Wars to go. Lucasfilm needs to commit and I believe they should make stuff that moves the franchise forward, we can still have more familiar stuff with the shows and have new experiences in the films. I'm not a big Last Jedi fan but I'm with Peter on that I was onboard with whatever they were working on and then they got scared and pulled back with The Rise of Skywalker. On another note, I feel like I treat nostalgia much more like Gen X than my own generation (being Gen Z/Born 1998). I love rewatching movies and shows or replaying. Video games, Also, I love watching stuff from before my time. It's the same with music. I relate to that stuff more than anything out now.

Blake Weaver

Great conversation Peter and Jimmy. It’s great to hear perspectives on this matter. I’m gonna be 34 this year and most my nerd friends are around my age. Our age group up at a time where we had OT Star Wars but also prequel wars/ clone wars we were consuming. I find for us it’s not how we get the content but if it doesn’t have the Lucas flair to it we don’t like it. We hated the sequels but love mando/ book of boba. To me it has to have a retro touch to it. Mando feels like retro Star Wars to me. Anything that doesn’t hit that feel for me doesn’t work with me with the franchise.

RobO from ChicagO

Peter you just sound like a nice guy. I enjoyed this convo.

Pistol Pete

Great Show Peter Biesser thank you for another successful yard cleanup day and helping my get my Christmas lights down. Smallville - man might be all time favorite show J Mac. But I’m sure starting the series at 11 and watching until I was 18 with my Pops was a big part of the love!

Mark

It was a privilege to be able to listen to an open and honest conversation between two people. Thank-you both for opening up yourselves to that; and allowing us to be part of it too. Lots of what you discussed resonated with me. RFR Q&A has bolted from the gates in 2023, the last couple have been brilliant!

Kenny
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Retro wars..... that's exactly how I feel too. And how it hits the feels for me! I actually dug boba too, made me feel like I was seeing a comic book come to life. Wasn't the greatest Star wars but I still liked it. I rewatch it a ton....just fast forward through the "mods" lol

Peter Beisser

Thanks, everyone, for the kind words. Appreciate you listening to us ramble. Always fun chatting it up with JMac. 😁

Joel Lackey

Great Q&A…very insightful. I like that Top Gun was brought up. That movie had just as much impact on me as a kid as Star Wars did. So much so that my desire to go fly X-wings or F-14s led me to a career flying for the military as a back seater. That experience eventually led to the career I have now as a civilian. I think watching Top Gun Maverick in theaters last summer hit me more in the feels than the Force Awakens did and I loved that as well. Top Gun Maverick not only gave me nostalgia for the original Top Gun, but also my previous aviation career.

Joe Dallas

Great show, great discussion, great guy!

Todd “Suds” Sedlacek

Glad to hear ya on the Q&A again - your topics always give me a lot to think about. I am 100% behind getting the GFFA on the big screen again. The streaming shows are good but nothing brings me back to my youth like going to see Star Wars in the movie theaters. Yes, even the sequel trilogy. Like you said, it’s being around fellow fans that makes the experience special - something that watching the streaming shows can’t give you.

Ben P. Stein

I really enjoyed the conversation. I have been out of the Star Wars loop since the premiere of The Bad Batch Season Two due to other commitments but the Q&As (in addition to the weekly episodes) have gotten me back into the swing of things. Peter, I consider your Qs&As essential listening. And I realized something--In addition to your interesting observations, your voice (and your delivery) remind me very much of one of my best high school friends with whom I recently reconnected. I have made many new friends thanks to RFR and I'm glad you are one of them!

Sean W. from Warsaw

This was a really interesting conversation. Your thoughts on whether Star Wars is legitimate without Lucas is one I've mulled over for years, sometimes more seriously and sometimes not. There's a more artsy side ingrained into me that says something isn't the "real thing" unless the original author or creator does it; and another part of me that doesn't mind someone else expanding on the original. It might sound odd, but this is how I kind of think of it sometimes: If someone like a Rembrandt or a Beethoven had something someone of today loved so much that they said, "I'm gonna make new Rembrandt or Berthoven." And they study it some extent or another and present it to the world as "the new Rembrandt" or "the new Beethoven". Maybe it actually does look or sound like it, but is it "the real thing"? There's something to be said for an author's creation as being something that genuinely reflects who he is: His outlook on the world, what he learned from his experiences in life, what he has to offer in return, etc. And it's gonna be highly unique, that reflection, which is why so many people fell in love with it to begin with. Can you really replicate that with someone else giving their own "take" on the original author's unique vision? Especially when it comes to corporations. (It's interesting, too, in that really before the last several decades I don't think there was such a mindset around, one of making sequels and continuations to someone else's work, at least not really in the way we think of it today.) Y'know, I love the Thrawn trilogy as much as the next SW fan, but at the same time I don't really have the sense it's what Lucas would have done at all; it just doesn't have his personal touch or whatever else. But is it in the right spirit of what he made? Absolutely. So where is the line drawn? Great question. Anyways, great conversation, Peter! So glad to see you back!

Eric from Phoenix

Peter, glad you're back and great conversation with Jimmy! I got so much joy out of sending you those figures, just knew it would bring a smile to your face. Joe Dallas wants to do an RFR cruise which would be a great time! If you talk to my kids about nostalgia you will get an interesting response. There are things they remember or miss but TV/movies isn't one of them because basically everything they ever watched or liked is available on demand. They've really never experienced a time where they couldn't watch something that they saw as kids. I think part of the reason I have nostalgia for things is because I had so much time where I didn't have access to it and/or it just disappeared. It's fun now to go back and watch stuff from the 70's or 80's. We just watched Escape from New York and Flash Gordon. So much 80's awesomeness :) I really liked the conversation whether Luke had an impact on the sequel trilogy and in my opinion he didn't have one. That is a travesty and frankly inexcusable. I couldn't agree more with Peter on how disappointing it was that they made Han a deadbeat dad. Finally, I love Jimmy's idea on making some of the good EU stuff into animation. You can hear my voicemail on this topic from the RFR Holiday Office Party (12/16) episode. One quick question, how do you guys get paragraphs in your comments. I can't seem to do this on my laptop or phone. Sorry for the wall of text.

Jeff Holland

Loved this episode! Great discussion. I think we’ll eventually get brand new SW (probably set way into the future) but I don’t think we’re there yet. Maybe in 10 years or so.