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RFR Q&A #158: Where Does THE MANDALORIAN Go from Here? (Patreon)

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2023-03-21 23:22:35
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Many fans of THE MANDALORIAN have noticed something a little different about season 3 as it shifted focus away from the Grogu/Din relationship and veered into a big picture story about Mandalorian culture. RFR V.I.P. Sean Wanty has perceived a shift as well and wonders why. We look closely at Grogu's detour with Luke Skywalker in THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT and his eventual decision to leave. And we provide a play-by-play account of how Ahsoka evaluated Grogu's Force abilities and potential, or lack thereof, to be trained as a Jedi. Plus, discussion about "The Chosen One" prophesy and what are the implications of Anakin's and Grogu's shared birth year?

Please note: Just the audio podcast this time around, no video.

Don't forget! There are TWO amazing editions of the Q&A this week! Don't miss out on RFR Q&A #157: Taking a Break from STAR WARS


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Duncan Bennett

Focus has shifted to Bo in a big way. ‘The foundling’ really positions her as a leader and it seems inevitable she’s going to end up being the ruler of Mandalorian and get the dark saber somehow. 🙄

Scott Abramczyk

Seems it seems as if this came out a little early. Today's episode seem to put more focus on DIN and grogu

Scott Abramczyk

Like #jimmymack said "patience Swank patience"

Travis Brooks

After listening to this episode and thinking about why Ashoka cannot train Grogu. Could it also be the fact that she is training Sabine Wren?

Ben P. Stein

I loved this episode! So many interesting insights from you both. I'm enjoying hearing Jimmy's developing theory about Grogu being born the same time as Anakin. Maybe the creators are factoring the Plagueis era into all of this. As for season 3, the plot points at the end of season 2 are being wrapped up very quickly--is it to get ready for the plotlines of The Mandalorian and Ahsoka to meet? I wonder if the pandemic resulted in a lost season of The Mandalorian such that it was a year behind. Anyway, these are mostly likely incorrect theories but your conversation inspired a lot of interesting ideas. Thanks for a great show as always!

Sean W. from Warsaw

Sorry for the delay in response, everyone. I've fallen sick! So I'm finally taking some time out to check in. This episode was a blast to do with Jimmy! Thanks again, Jmac!

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>104658155

An interesting idea, for sure. I've only seen the episode one or two times, so I can't clearly remember the dialogue. But Jimmy refreshed my memory a bit. If it's what it sounds like, the impression I get is that Grogu was too attached to Mando. In other words, it seemed like he didn't really want to be trained in a way. But I'd have to check out the episode again. Good food for thought! Can a "Jedi" like Ahsoka (though she has said she's no Jedi before) train only one student at a time? If not, what's the deal? Maybe she is still in the mindset of the old Jedi way where each master had a single padawan. But if she's training Sabine, what is she training her in? Sabine lost the darksaber, after all. And it seemed like she was only fighting with a saber for that duel with the Imperial ruler, not so much to learn the fine art of saber combat. I don't recall her being strong in the Force. Maybe Ahsoka is mentoring her, in a more general way...?

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>104633967

Right, but I was advocating more for why Grogu wasn't to stay with Luke, given it seemed he needed someone strong in the Force to be with. It seems like a character inconsistency to do a complete turnaround for Grogu--to go back to Mando when he clearly wanted to be with Luke in that closing scene of Season 2. He went to Luke of his own volition, after all. He wasn't just handed over against his will. And it didn't seem like there was any undue pressure put on him to go with Luke. Seeing the most recent episode of Mandalorian seems to reinforce the view that Grogu may not want to be with the Mandalorians either, at least that's how I took it with that scene where he's watching the Armorer make the metal. I think that, because he's so attached to the Force that his is more a life of peace, away from war. He went through trauma, after all. And to be deprived of someone in the Force means he doesn't have that kind of fellowship anymore. He can't even really communicate without someone in the Force to commune with. So, I advocated there will likely be a best-of-both-worlds scenario: Luke and Mando together. I really do believe the show needs to explore his connection in the Force more, in regards to needing someone with it around. Something just doesn't add up, to me, if that doesn't happen. Time will tell!

Sean W. from Warsaw

Jimmy, I forgot to ask you a big question in our talk! Is it just my imagination or did you say at one point that it was a top-down decision to have Grogu go back with Mando--courtesy of Bob Iger? Am I misremembering or is this pretty close?

Adam Taylor

Great episode Sean and Jimmy! As always. A point was brought up that really confused me when the episode aired in season 2. Boba says “they’re back!”… dude was just fighting stormtroopers for 20 minutes… no one picked up on that, on Facebook or anywhere lol

Jared Cantor

I can't believe I forgot about this before. But in Harry Potter it turns out that Harry and the character Neville are born one day apart. Under the prophecy, which essentially also speaks of a chosen One, it could have in fact referred to either Harry or Neville but it ends up being about Harry because that's the person that the dark Lord Voldemort marks as his equal. So relating that to Star Wars it makes you wonder whether because of some unknown event that has not been told to us as fans grogu could have gone down the path of Anakin and Anakin could have gone down the path of grogu. Or maybe each was always destined to fall more on the light and then more on the dark side.

RobO from ChicagO
>>104916692

It was such an out of place comment, he worked with the Empire plenty of times in his past.. wouldn’t he be fine with it?

Mark

Great conversation gents. Thnaks!

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>104916692

Thanks Adam! Honestly, I had never really given any thought to it. I have to admit I've only ever seen the episode once, so that was something I forgot all about. Maybe it was said in part because he went sort of "legit" in Book of Boba? Not really sure. Probably some of those "skugholes" he mentions he worked for. Had to vent his rage on those bucketheads at long last for their idiocy. Lol

Sean W. from Warsaw

Does anyone else feel like Luke took several steps backwards in his Jedi path as revealed in Book of Boba? I can't stop thinking about this. Lol It just feels so bizarre to me given that he seemed more a family man in some respects by the end of the OT for him then to go so orthodox old Jedi. The way he was depicted in the old EU just seems to make more sense, at least in those early books in th early to mid 90s.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>104683406

I got to thinking about your ideas a bit more, about the writers having to push things forward faster due to x, y and z factors. We'll probably never know for sure. I guess my hangup with that is that it still seems to take away too much from the show as it seemed to be developing with Grogu's story, at least as I've been understanding it. Which is one of the pitfalls of having interlinked shows, as I see it. Serial storytelling in a long running series or multiple series has a lot of potential, too. And it has payed off in some really cool ways with The Mandalorian show. But to shift the focus that much from a story about a mysterious child of Yoda's kind seems odd. Why tell that story, I wonder? It seemed very specific to have that kind of story going in seasons 1 and 2. It's still going, but seems on the backburner. I like the focus on the Mandalorian people as a whole. It tells a great story, for sure. But I'm left in the dark about the personal story of Grogu as the story shifts radically from a small little story about wolf and cub to something way bigger. I wonder what the payoffs will be to (seemingly) leaving the smaller story behind. Will it affect the bigger story they're presenting us with or fall by the wayside? One cool payoff I could see is how Grogu's story sets off the chain reaction for Gideon to keep hunting him in more full force, which is what I was getting at in my episode here. That would be very intriguing. It would make the grander story way more personal if Gideon made a whole war or something to get possession of Grogu. And it would undoubtedly suck Luke into the bigger picture. Some food for thought about where this potentially could go! A lot could be happening down the line that has its center on our little friend, rather than him being just a cool sidekick along for the ride. Time will tell! I personally hope it's not all ultimately about, say, Thrawn, though. I think shifting it that much more into a spectacle like that might take too much away from Gideon as a great villain of the show. Thrawn would work better, for me, as the villain of the Ahsoka show or something else down the line. Lets keep Mando's villain Gideon. There's so much potential left for him as a character and villain that it would be a shame from just a writing perspective to shove him to the side in his own series when so much track was laid for him in the first two seasons. Lets see his own cunning and villainy as he comes back from defeat a more menacing threat than he was before. Keep the threat to Grogu personal. Thrawn can't really offer that, I don't think.

Ben P. Stein
>>104683406

Thanks for your thoughtful comments and thorough reply, Sean. I agree with what you've said. I wonder how the creation of the new series including Ahsoka affected the arc and trajectory of The Mandalorian, but as you say, we may never fully know. The series definitely seems to be taking some hard turns! I do hope the story of Grogu and Luke is more fully told and I'm hoping they're not taking too much of that story away from what may have been originally envisioned for The Mandalorian. Maybe Gideon's singleminded pursuit of Grogu is what leads to Gideon's downfall. It'll be interesting to see how much time Gideon and Thrawn spend together on the Star Wars timeline. We don't see any evidence of either of them by the time of the sequel trilogy. This is all a shame because Gideon and Thrawn are two of the best villains in Star Wars (though maybe I am thinking too much of the Thrawn in the original book trilogy, not the Disney-era Thrawn!) It was absolutely a thrill to briefly meet Giancarlo Esposito for a photo op at Star Wars Celebration last year! MTFBWY and looking forward to your next Q&A!