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When Barry talks to Ethan, Kim feels excluded from a family discussion.

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Taylor

I came here just to say- Mattie is right about NFL cheerleaders!

Liz DiNardo

I VOTE FOR THE POLE DANCING LOL

Peggy Ann

Is Aunt Peggy ok? I don’t remember hearing about her having cancer

Merideth Burnett

Ya’ll hitting the Square or Fry Street tonight?

Bonnie Southard

I took clogging too! Bwhahahahha you better step rock step Poodle!!

Liz DiNardo

I really appreciate hearing your insight about the family dynamics at play here. So many people don’t understand how insidious the abuse is in these situations…. I agree about the misogyny in the modern evangelical church!!

Eliesha

I can’t with both parents not checking in on the younger girls homework/homeschooling. They are both the worst

DJ Nightshade

On average, the Dallas Cowboys pay their cheerleaders about $15-20 per hour or $500 per match. According to the internet.

Mary R. Catherine

Just to let you know that I’m 100% convinced that the “family friend” and KIm will date. In SW GA partners are played like musical chairs. . . My mother in law’s 2nd husband was her HS bestie’s first husband then they got a divorce and he married my mother in law’s high school mortal enemy as her 3rd husband. My MIL then dated said mortal enemy’s first husband . . . It’s a mess down there. I asked for a flow chart

Kim Longo

Seattle Seahawks make around $40 per game as well. I don’t know specifics, but you don’t do it for the money, that’s fa sho!

Caroline Dickie

Maybe instead of Dancer in the Dark you two should watch Billy Elliott, much more fitting with Mattie’s boyhood dreams of dancing!

Laura Garrett

I know a great pole studio in North Hollywood… I know the owner would be cool with it 😘

Kelly Savoie Samora

Yes, professional cheerleaders make little to zero money. I’ve had a few friends that were cheerleaders for different NFL teams. They might make $50-100 per game, at the most, and that is for home games. They have weigh-ins, must practice a lot, and maintain the “look.” And they can’t date the players. From what I’ve been told it’s very difficult being an NFL cheerleader and you get little to nothing in return.

Starr D

I raised my hand as someone who thinks this divorce is fake. Also, remember, these parents had the “older kids” raise the other children so much they couldn’t enjoy “family vacations”. They raised these kids to be socially awkward, an education that doesn’t even equate to a GED, didn’t let them watch sports, or gain cultural experiences and THEN Kim & Barry pitched these kids they raised as a science experiment for a TV show open for ridicule to line their pockets. So traumatizing them with a fake divorce for a few more seasons doesn’t seem too far fetched to me.

Meditated_Margot

Former Colts Cheerleader here: we got paid $100 per game pre-tax. But we had to do about a zillion “appearances” and didn’t get compensated for those

Meditated_Margot

We were not even allowed to TALK to players. It was in our contract. Weigh ins happened once a week. The PTSD is real

Pauline Stewart

My brother used to work for the National Ballet of Canada (not a dancer lol, we are all short and chubby). They would offer free sessions to the kids of high level donors, with a Prima ballerina. He got my boys in for a session (they were about 3 and 5) - I hoped desperately that they would take to it. But alas, my dream of being a dancer’s mum was dashed. As an aside, there were about 30 girls to my 2 boys in the session!

Arie

So many feelings on this episode: 1. The misogyny was STRONG. Ethan talking about his Kim and Olivia. Papa Plath asking Ethan if he was tolerating Moriah. Ethan blaming his mom for the divorce. Ugh. 2. Micah and Isaac are so much more emotionally mature than their big brother, who is just behaving like a toddler in a man’s body. 3. I’ve never cared for Lydia, but I used it was just because she was a bit to corny and childlike for my taste. Now she annoys me to no end by making everything about her. I also wish she would stop trying to poke her nose into her parents’ marriage/divorce! It’s weird how involved the kids have been and Papa Plath doesn’t help the situation at all. P.S. I’ve already stopped hating her, but I’m sickened to realize that I actually may start LIKING Mama Plath! It’s a lot to deal with and I’m going to speak with my therapist about it.

Natalie Duarte

Ive been feeling this way about Barry for a while. I feel justified listening to this, thank you, haha! Pappa Plath was always in support of Mamma Plath's actions, & rode on the coattails of her actions, but never needed to take responsibility for them because she was the one doing it. He is insidious, always working in the background. It's manipulation at its ugliest, darkest form, & also cult behaviour. That's not excuse what Mamma Plath did, she was complicite; she has a lot of reparations to make towards her children. She will forever be paying for that. But Barry made her an easy target by always playing "the nice guy".

Kelly Savoie Samora

Yes! The pay is horrible and the expectations are ridiculous. I had friends that were Saintsations, Houston Texan Cheerleaders, and Dallas. They all started off thinking it was going to be so wonderful because it was similar to when we were in college and danced. It was awful for most of them in the NFL. Yes, the weigh-ins were awful, the distorted eating was so bad, and it was basically all done for nothing. It IS some bullshit!

Mary Scheske

Papa Plath is awful. He spoke to his own kids like he was laying off a bunch of people at work. He would definitely help to cover up a SA of a minor inside the church and blame the child for - really just existing. That doesn't mean that I like Mama Plath either... I think she would sell her soul to TLC for her own show and weight loss/Mama makeover surgeries like Mama June or Aaaangela before she ever made things right with both Ethan and Olivia.

Kristi Burks

Mattie I love you but you are wrong about papa Plath pulling strings. He allowed Kim to be the bad guy but I promise you she is exactly what Ethan said, she is the neck that turned his head. I know this from experience. This show is super triggering to me because this is how my father and his wife (not my mother) were. My father was content to let her be as evil to myself and my brother as she wanted. And he did NOTHING. He is in my opinion worse than she because he never stood up for us.

Nanette Roberts

The scene with Moriah and Ethan with the TV was an advertisement for Dish!

Nanette Roberts

Also, my heart goes out to Kim for experiencing the abuse, however, that’s an easy scapegoat for her manipulative behavior. They were way more than just overly protective, they were controlling and would only accept their kids if they conformed to their evangelical ideal.

Denise Fitzgerald

I can’t tell if Mama and Papa’s break up is real or not. What I have believed since beginning of the season is Kim saw all the story lines were about her children muddling their way in to the “real” world and has brought the focus back to herself. My heart breaks for all of us who have experienced abuse. No excuse to raise your children that way The children still are owed apologies and therapy before I’ll believe she is sincere. Stay tuned for my children’s book “T Is for Therapy”