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Episode #194 ... Do we really need the police? - Anarchism pt. 3 - (Gelderloos, Security) (Patreon)

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Had a lot of fun making this one! Hope you all enjoy it. Will be doing a deep dive on Patreon messages spending a bunch of time answering questions this next week. If you have any that I haven't responded to please send them my way again. 

Could never do this without you. I am extremely grateful. 

Stephen

Comments

cornbread

ACAB! 1312 🔻💪

cornbread

Hope you're feeling better. Covid numbers are super high now. Mask up, vaxx up, and test up all yall.

Ehsan D

Thanks for the episode. There are communities with close binding between members but consensus on traditions which are against human rights such as child marriage. What about the role of the state and law to intervene?

Teun Van Gelder

Is Martin Buber a thinker who you think fit in this series? Thanks for this great episode and all your work!

Ahmed M.

Fantastic episode! Would love to hear about David Graeber, and Todd May’s views on this series.

Russell Campbell-Porter

Love the anarchism episodes. I agree with it potentially being more easily implemented where we can

Torey Freeman

on the scale of organizational systems competing for user share anarchy is already the winner. At the level of the systems duking it out for global champion there are no governing authorities, only emergence. One species, acting as one organism, running on one narrative: we the people! Lest we forget, we are but one of a plethora of scant critter on the planet that evolve just like the rest only in our case all that energy went to our heads and that began a path that turned us into an instrument that could harness universal laws and actually jettison the planet. Just one species among millions that this happened to. Us. Wild. And we’ll spend the rest of our days trying to figure out what to do about it, iterating endlessly

Dom M

Really enjoying this series. Thank you for all that you do Stephen West! ✊🏻

Doug Dee

I took a crack at "Anarchy, State, and Utopia" a while back. My understanding was that Nozick decided years later it was unworkable. I wonder about nuclear weapons being shared in a community, or huge GPU data farms. Central power is sort of unavoidable, which begets maybe more of the same? Maybe not.

Trevor Lohr

The “human nature is selfish and greedy” argument for the necessity of power hierarchies is always so infuriating to me. I get frustrated with that argument because I think the person hasn’t learned anything about indigenous cultures and other modern examples that show human capacity for compassion and care. So thank you for covering that set of arguments so well!! Another key and pleasing part of the episode over which I’ve spent many hours furrowing my brow is the issue of existing culture, and how the possibility for change depends on the available cultural seeds for social bonds and mutual reliability. It’s like the ecological Adaptive Cycle, which is a graph of Connectedness and Potential Energy that shows how a forest, a reef, an ant hill etc. changes over time in terms of relationships and resources. After a ‘disturbance’ destroys existing relationships (and institutions) of a highly interconnected system, there is a release of an abundance of resources to be captured and used to form new relationships. BUT, the new system and new relationships entirely depend on the seeds and seedlings laying around. If the seeds are gone, then you mostly get highly adaptive pioneer plants, aka “invasive species”. Neoliberalism didn’t start with Reagan and Thatcher. Those ideas were simmering in academically discredited think tanks cultivated by the likes of Hayek and Friedman for nearly 40 years. Then when a systemic crisis hit—a major ‘ecological disturbance’—the seedling ideology caught light and grew vigorously as an explanation and solution that made sense to working people sitting in line for gas for hours. Now we have the recycling of the same ideology in the modern American Libertarianism. Your joke about relating it with Anarchism made me laugh, but that is actually one of my favorite tactics. I think Libertarians need to listen to your archives because most of them don’t know their own ideological history. I think they are painfully confused about the state and markets because deep down what they really want is Liberty and Equality(-of decision making power, don’t take the bait on equality of opportunity vs outcome—Sheesh!). Most libertarians are just anarchists who don’t read. They need to learn the importance of solidarity as a means of achieving their goals, and they need to learn their own history to see the “small government and free market” solution as a red herring to distract them from fighting with the left for Liberty, Equality, Solidarity. Lastly, I want to give a deep, heartfelt Thanks to you Stephen, for in this episode and the Agamben one, pointing indirectly to the political humanitarian crisis of our time with deftly subversive moral critique and authority. You truly are a skilled philosophical orator!

Daniel Flatauer

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Sean Mc

Just listened to this and it reminds me a lot of two books. You'd love the books Everyday Anarchy and Practical Anarchy by Stefan Molyneux!

Dom M

Zucchinis? I think you’ll find they’re courgettes! 😉

Austin S

"Think of the slave economies in the southern United States in the 17 and 1800’s. It was UNETHICAL to run an economy based on slave labor. Many people wondered how you could EVER run an economy WITHOUT something like slave labor. But then they DID… because it was the right thing to do." This is incorrect, they did not get rid of slave economies because it was the right thing to do, they got rid of slave economies because they were worried of being overthrown by the massive slave population. Capitalists never do the right thing because it's the right thing, they do it only when it's profitable or in self-preservation. I encourage everybody to read Settlers: The Mythology of the White Proletariat.

Ethan Stein

I liked the idea of instead of the exact idea of police and laws that we have now, people are open to moderation of conflicts. Getting down to people's actual needs instead of power, rules, and entitlements. I think this is a great concept that could be introduced into our current systems and could be a leading edge into anarchy.

Drew Kramer

I once read that among Homo sapiens—small-pack animals that we are—in hunter/gatherer societies and in informal groups and communities in our society, the upward limit of how many people can be in that society is 150. After that number is reached there is internal friction and schism, absent some imposed common identity. (It is theorized that what we call organized religion arose when we made the transition to agriculture where groups larger than 150 started to live together: if you and I are both devotees of the Great God Yarg, even though I don’t know you personally I will give you the benefit of the doubt.)

Torey Freeman

This dude George Zarkadakis wrote a recent book called “Cyber Republic” - yes it’s very idealistic but actually has interesting solutions, which none are his solutions but he highlights them and brings them into an arena of consideration. For example Citizen assemblies Smart contracts A.I. Network states And other tech related ideas However it would require the one thing every strategy that holds up individual freedoms requires Actual participation

Rodolfo Hansen

I see blockchains and cryptographic security as a final missing peace in allowing decentralized autonomous and fluid communities to work together and be able to verify, not just trust their handling of their own set of resources....

matthew robin

Mr. West, you got the military history wrong. Big problem with anarchist militia, George Orwell joined the anarchist units in the Spanish Civil War and he said they got out organized by the Soviet supported forces. So we have seen anarchist militias lose power and influence to a more centrally organized ally. Also, in the American revolution we did not merely fight with guerilla tactics. General Charles Lee wanted to use guerilla tactics while Washington wanted to form a legit conventional army. While we fought more guerilla than the Brits, the French did not support us until our conventional army proved itself. Lastly, how can Ukraine be a positive example of anarchist militias? They got devoured by the Soviet Union. Also must mention that Francos opponents lost

Verónica Ruiz Badía

I had the terrible experience of dealing with two narcissists a few years ago. 10k in lawyer fees later I had to abandon my business just to get away from that person. The law does not help normal people. On the other instance the police told me to move bc the person knew the system and knew how far to push it not to actually be committing a crime and they could not help me. I sold my house. Our systems supporting us is an illusion