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[PATREON Content of the Day! - November 8] (Patreon)

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2023-11-08 16:00:04
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2026-06
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-- OP 562-563 --

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Comments

Gaetan

Personally, I love the fact that Hordy is just pure evil based on nothing cause it strongly echoes with Fisher Tiger and Otohime fights. You can't prevent Tiger to hate humans due to his experiences but as Otohime said, this legitimate hate must not be passed to children of the next generation without what the hate/environment will create monsters as Hordy and just keep going with the hatred cycle again and again. When you see the world right now, I think it's a powerful message delivered by Oda in this arc

Vinny Deluca

I really like the Hordy Motivation being a LACK OF anything. Its a very real thing and exactly what Otohime was pushing so hard to avoid. Its one thing for Humans and Fishmen to be enemies due to life experiences, but the children dont understand that context, all they absorb is "Humans are the enemy" and just understand it to be the nature of the world. This is a Generation of Fishmen raised to see Humans as the enemy with no reason other than thats the way its always been, and now they are fighting AGAINST Peace envoys to make sure its the way things will always be

BirthdayParty

Yeah. If you keep teaching the next generation to keep hating, to keep holding grudges, you'll inevitably end up with someone like Hordy and the New Fishman Pirates. People who continue the cycle of hatred, not because of any personal feelings, or experiences or ideals, but simply because they were taught to do so. It's why it's so important for the Fishmen and the Merfolk to stop this cycle, even if they have every legitimate reason to hate and distrust humans. Because if they don't, sooner or later, the future generations will consist of nothing but Hordy's.

DiamonDust

Disclaimer, my opinion may change by the end of the arc, I haven't re-watched this arc in a long time. His motivation being based on "nothing" is boring to me. So what, he was just born a racist asshole? Not every villain has to have empathetic reasons, but I was kind of expecting one considering his goal is global genocide of all humans 😅 . Also, they had hyped this up as some big reveal but this was obviously underwhelming. Look at Jack's face when it was explained 💀. That was probably 90% of people at least, including me. Obviously Oda wrote Hordy as a dude that we were SUPPOSED to hate. An irredeemable piece of trash who was the personification of racism. But to me he isn't even interesting trash. He's just trash. Crocodile had no apparent reason for being a complete prick, and zero redeeming backstory, but at least he was fun to watch and had great scenes and dialogue. Hordy just repeats the same anti-human BS on repeat like a record player, he almost never says anything interesting. Anyway, I don't dislike this arc but Hordy is one of the weaker parts of it for me.

DiamonDust

And people say this loops back to Fisher Tiger and Otohime, but I don't see it? They were both fighting the cycle of perpetuated racism. Stuff like parents telling their kids fishmen are evil. It hit hard because that mirrors common racism in real life. They wanted to bridge the gap to change the way people view fishmen. But how would they fight or prevent racism that has no reason? I don't see the connection. If it had shown Hordy being influenced by racist adults that would make sense, but that isn't what we were told. Edit: There seems to be a misunderstanding. I was saying it didn't show detailed scenes of Hordy learning racism from adults DURING the reveal. Obviously Hordy idolized Arlong, but we didn't see much of his transformation. It's not that I missed it. Also, I checked and the show literally shows those scenes I was asking for at the beginning of the next episode that show Hordy beign influenced by adults. So how was I wrong for wanting them to go into more detail? I had said I might change my opinion for that exact reason. That being said I think it's very unlikely I will end up liking his character considering I never liked him on my first watch through either, but we'll see. His motivations fit the theme of the arc, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy his character. I still find him a bit lackluster.

Evgeniy Mokrushin

"If it had shown Hordy being influenced by racist adults that would make sense, but that isn't what we were told." That's literally what the show says. Hody has no personal hate for humans, it's just the enviroment where he grow up. It's what Fisher Tiger and Otohime were talking about, "children who grow up on hatred"

BirthdayParty

You're missing the other part of the cycle. This arc is moreso about the Fishmen and Merfolk trying to overcome their prejudice against humans, rather than the other way around. Otohime was fighting the cycle of perpetuated racism in Fishman Island. She very specifically wanted to avoid passing down their grudges and hatred down to the next generation. Hordy is the inevitable outcome of said cycle. Someone who has been told since birth to hate, fear and despise humans, to view them as nothing but the enemy. Someone who has inherited and normalized Fishman Island's hatred, distrust and prejudice of humans. Despite never having even been personally wronged by a human. "If Hordy was shown being influenced by racist adults, that would make sense." But he was? We see them idolizing Arlong. We see them delighting in Tiger's violence, understanding nothing behind his deeper motives. We see them dreaming about, essentially, declaring war on humans as literal children. I want to point out that even in Mermaid District, the least prejudiced part of Fish Man island, people still refused to give Sanji a blood transfusion. And the Straw Hats were arrested on suspicion of kidnapping based off literally zero evidence aside from the fact that they were around the same area the mermaids disappeared from. The entire island, from top to bottom, is pretty much depicted as very prejudiced against humans. And they have very good reason to be. But Hordy is why they can't afford to stay that way. Because that's the inevitable destination of where the cycle will lead them.

Mike Drop

How is that any different from reality. Not every super villain has needs to have a traumatic origin story. He would just be Arlong 2.0. He was born in a shit culture in the Fishman District. He's just a racist asshole like we have many in society too.

DiamonDust

@BirthdayParty That's not what I meant at all. When I said "If it had shown Hordy being influenced by racist adults that would make sense, but that isn't what we were told." I was talking about actual more detailed scenes being shown DURING the reveal this episode. We knew Hordy idolized Arlong, but that was it. I was expecting to see actual scenes of him being influenced with the reveal if they were trying to emphasize perpetuated racism. I peeked at the next episode to see if they elaborated, and surprise surprise they show Hordy's past and show racist adults influencing him. The exact thing I was saying would make the reveal make more sense. So why are people acting like me asking for those scenes was unnecessary? 😅

DiamonDust

@Mike Drop simply being realistic does not equal being entertaining. Fukuboshi himself said they "have no substance, they are empty". I'm saying a character who is just a racist husk of a person is boring. The themes of the arc made complete sense even if he had experienced direct discrimination, it wasn't needed. Also, someone being racist because they were directly discriminated against is equally as realistic. BTW I literally said they don't all need sad backstories. I'm going to reserve my judgment though because they go into further detail next episode on Hordy's upbringing. I already know I dislike his character though for reasons completely unrelated to his reveal. I mentioned some of those reasons already.

DiamonDust

That's not what I meant. When I said "If it had shown Hordy being influenced by racist adults that would make sense, but that isn't what we were told." I was talking about more detailed scenes being shown DURING the reveal this episode. We knew Hordy idolized Arlong, but that was it. I was expecting to see actual scenes of him being influenced with the reveal if they were trying to emphasize perpetuated racism. I peeked at the next episode to see if they elaborated, and surprise surprise they show Hordy's past and show racist adults influencing him. The exact thing I was saying would make the reveal make more sense. So why are people acting like me expecting those scenes was unnecessary? 😅 Also, a bit weird that you replied here instead of below my comment. Did you not want me to see it or something?? If you're going to criticize something I said maybe say it in a reply to me rather than whatever this is.

Evgeniy Mokrushin

"Also, a bit weird that you replied here instead of below my comment. Did you not want me to see it or something??" Don't know why that happened, maybe my mistake

Maria

"someone being racist because they were directly discriminated against is equally as realistic." That would literally be Arlong 2.0 like that other person said

DiamonDust

@Maria He's already Arlong 2.0 man, he was literally inspired by him and follows in his footsteps. Next episode it's Arlong's words that ring in his head. If anything having separate reasons based on his own experiences would potentially make him less Arlong 2.0. And I have no issue with him having similar reasons to Arlong in the first place, because it connects Fishman Island back to Arlong Park Arc which is cool. One Piece being connected like that is one reason it's very good. Regardless, I just think he lacks the charisma that Arlong and other Villains had. Especially considering he takes drugs to do anything at all and is very weak. Edit: To elaborate further, after seeing the backstory I am fine with his motivations as they are, but as I say in a comment on next reaction I think the reveal was misleading and underwhelming. Should have just shown what he said to Fukaboshi first time instead of hiding it. Hordy just being a product of environment and indoctrination was already his assumed motivation and was not surprising whatsoever to the audience, so to act like it was a reveal mislead the audience into thinking it was a NEW motivation when it was not. Still not a fan of his character for my previously stated reasons though, no charisma and just radiated weakness. Most OP villains are the exact opposite. It was intentional, but I think it cheapened him as a character and general threat too much.

DiamonDust

@Evgeniy Mokrushin If it was a genuine mistake don't worry about it. Some people do that intentionally.

Destiny Samuel

Hordy going for his Zoro moment with the “Nothing happened.”