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the Magus, v0.5 - Patreon backer feedback requested! (Patreon)

Published:
2016-11-23 19:46:03
Edited:
2016-11-24 05:26:26
Imported:
2026-06

Content

Hi everybody!

I was all excited to release the Magus, v0.5 on the blog this week and then as I was driving around for my day job a horrible realization had dawned on me - I screwed up the Mystic Mark feature. I tied the use of the Mystic Mark feature to the spellcasting ability which is now not a thing Magus' get until they choose their Eldritch Society at level 2. Oh no!

Over the past few weeks I have been toying around with how to simplify and streamline the Magus and arranging the features given in the first 3 levels is a big part of that. While I am open to feedback of all kinds I am particularly reaching out to my backers to help me figure out the best and easiest way to arrange the first three levels of features so that the Magus is both a fun class to play and adheres as closely as it can to the design style set by the Player's Handbook.

Thanks in advance for all your thoughts!

Benjamin

Files

Magus 1-20 v3.pdf

Comments

sterlingvermin

Maybe just moving the Eldritch Society feature back to 1st level and changing nothing else would solve this issue?

sterlingvermin

Also, what do people think about not getting cantrips until 2nd level? I see I messed up the table but in the text of the features it indicates that doesn't happen til 2nd level in this current draft.

Outlandish Adventure Productions (OAP)

I'm not sure if anyone is experiencing this same issue, but when I use the URL to go to view the Magus document, I'm getting an image cut off before the halfway point of the first page. I would love to give feedback, and maybe it's just my computer, but I can't view the levels in question right now.

sterlingvermin

Also, for the record, here are the changes I am implementing already... Eldritch Society choice is back to level 1 & gives you 2 cantrips at level 1. This neatly solves all of the problems I had created by moving things around and, I think, is probably alright balance-wise especially if I with Eldritch Armament now at level 3 instead of 2.

Outlandish Adventure Productions (OAP)

Before I say anything else, I'd like to say that I love the new spells you added and the changes you made to ones that existed in the last draft. Also, the new cantrip lists for each Eldritch Society are absolutely perfect. The Arcane Order Booming Blade abuse case is no longer an issue (until they inevitable take it at level 7), and I just love that every Eldritch Society has cantrips to support both ranged and melee builds. This is some superb work. I like the idea of moving Eldritch Societies back to level 1 since it does solve the problems you mentioned. However, that now leaves a pretty big dearth of features at level 2 since spellcasting, while useful, isn't super-impactful at that level. Perhaps you could move Society-specific Mystic Mark improvement effects to 2nd-level? But, now that I think about it, that kind of makes level 3 feel a bit weak since it costs such a large portion of your resources to use an Eldritch Armament. I think my best recommendations to solve this potential issue would be one of the following: 1) Add some sort of extra little thing to level 2 to pad out that level, perhaps some sort of ribbon that's useful outside of combat. The Magus could use one or two ribbons; nearly the entire class as it stands is pretty darn focused on combat. Even Paladin gets Divine Sense. 2) Move Eldritch Armament back to level 2, and add some sort of ribbon (as above) to pad out level 3, though the Mystic Mark improvements could be considered enough at that level. Overall, I'm loving the changes you made, and I can't wait to see the next version.

sterlingvermin

Hey Ross - I love the idea of incorporating a ribbon ability at 2 or 3. I will be thinking about that. I believe developing that ribbon ability & possibly developing a couple more new spells will be the finishing touches on this class (prior to working on 3 more archetypes).

Matthew Gesus

I'm not convinced that spellcasting isn't enough of a feature at level 2. Maybe a ribbon ability as well, but 2 1st level spell slots is nothing to sneeze at. The only other concept that would fit there is Eldritch Armament, since the paladin (the kissing cousin of the magus) also gets their smite at level 2.