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BAD NEWS (Patreon)

Published:
2019-04-25 17:48:50
Imported:
2026-06

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Patreon has began to flag some of my content and asked me to remove it. It's only been 2 files so far (one of them being the latest Dark Forest entry), but there's no real reason why they wouldn't flag future content as well since the main characters will eventually go in the dark forest, and there will be more fighting and kidnapping in the future as well.

So I'm asking you, dear and loyal readers, what do you think I should do? I consider not posting anything else here except major updates information like progress on the commission queue, and posting my content on my other platform/blog instead, but that would mean the death of the tier system, and this place would basically become a donation tip jar. Patreon explicitly told me that I'm not allowed to link to forbidden content, so simply hosting the bonus stuff on a google drive and linking it to the various tiers is not a real option. 

What is not an option either, is killing or changing the comic. I spent 4 years on this, I have a roadmap, and I'm not gonna change anything to my lore or story.

With that being said, if any of you consider leaving the patreon because of this, either in protest or frustration, I understand. Maybe fvt will be forced into a Hiatus as I find ways to finance it, and I'll resort taking personal commissions in the meantime, but the comic is not going to disappear or change, and neither do I.

What I can say for now, is that Friday's update will be skipped, as I don't have time to finish the page as I scramble to find a solution. Thank you for your support and understanding.

By the way, worst come to worst, I keep a spreadsheet on my computer about the tokens accumulated for those on the 10$+ tiers, so even if you decide to leave, you can still get free commission/discounts for commission from me, all you have to do is keep in touch on discord. I don't back-stab people, this website do.

Comments

ZePompom

Patreon is on a real witchhunt :-(

Anonymous

Oh no! :( that's absolutely horrible Eldrik... i can't belive they'd go and do something like that. :(

Sokaras

Hopefully you wont need to remove more stuff And as for patreon pledge, I do not plan on leaving even if there will be major changes

Kontra

Hm Really bad news. As one of the options I see a link to a resource that will give a link to a resource on which there will be a comic. On the Persians resource, which is a link from Patreona, you can publish their work is not related to the comic. Or just something that interests you and links to it. You can also post a censorship version and, again, give a link to the resource on which there will be a link to the resource. In theory, this is done according to the rules of Patreon. Of the more complicated, this is mailing to mailboxes, which will be indicated to you in personal messages. There are options, just a question in the degree of complexity. ;))

DM_5

Have you tried other subscription services? SubscribeStar and Sponsus might be a better fit. IIRC Subscribestar openly accepts adult material.

Chandra Argentis

You could always start posting the actual content to something like Dropbox or Google drive like other artists do.

Hivedragon

Sheesh, what do people have against porn. Those big compagnies realky need to get that stick out of there ass. Still find it weird that after years they come now with this, ugh I hope this isnt going to be as the tumblr purge.

Sokaras

Sadly it would probably not be practical to only post drawings that are ok with patreon rules and those that are not ok would just be posted publicly. Mainly because of comic it need linearity

Sokaras

Would it be possible to have a file storage that could be only accesed by people with their patreon email?

Perniciousducks
>>22103713

This isn’t bad, though you lose the tier aspect if you don’t keep them in new folders constantly. You could also just password lock a zip file and post it and just email passwords. I don’t know that Patreon would do anything about that

Jean Paul Massaut

wtf , is patreon doing, this is totaly bogus , if this goes on more and more peopel wil start to look for difrent places to post stuff, this will bite them in the end, i hope you can find a new way to circumvent this , thuis totaly sucks , i wish you a lot of luck , and no matter what i wil keep beeinga patron for your stuff

SweetJackal

Just going to say, if this page turns into a tip jar with tiers offering tokens and all content becomes instantly available to everyone I will keep my pledge. I understand it isn't much, but I am supporting the content, not my bonus access to that content. However, if a tiered system is desired to be kept, a 3rd party file hosting of password locked or encrypted files upon which the keys to unlocking them are messages posted in the tiered reward updates, then that should get around without directly linking forbidden content here. Others have mentioned it though. My only request is that fvt doesn't go onto hiatus due to the website's idiocy.

hirumono

I find the progressive ban of adult art on many online platform worrying at best. Be it for economic reasons, or to appease feminazis, or for outright bigotry, this is an undue limitation on freedom of speech and art that is spreading throughout many big providers of internet services. I had hoped that your Sponsorion project could offer an alternative to the double-faced platform that is Patreon, but it seems that it won't, at least for the moment. I can just second Perniciousducks' suggestion, maybe completing it with the use of an encrypted folder on Mega like many people are doing to share content without external parties being able to check: only patrons would be able to access your folders, you could host different tier content on different folders. Essentially a Google Drive that only selected people can visit. Maybe a less-than-optimal solution, but a temporary one while waiting for some, better, platform.

Jarick

No matter what i will still support. This is just a speed bump

Sheylyra

There might be a solution, in discord you can post picture, also you can assign usergroups to people and you can make channels that only a certain usergroup can acces.

Argenten

I will not stop supporting could always post links here and share on places like NG i suppose

The14th

Discord server? Patreon can access the api to set tier access bases on pledge level. Would that still be "linking"?

Sheylyra

basically your linking to the usergroup and not to the porn

Expect_no_Mercy

Question: Is Patreon indicating that you cannot post these images 'Regardless' of tier level? i.e. Would using the tier system allow you uninhibited display, as long as it is not visible the the general public?

eldrikaethervial
>>22110779

My entire patreon is already not visible to public, and the content that required removal was already on the 5$ tier, so I don't think they care about that, they just don't want it.

Lithoboli

I've been supporting your comic since page 8 or so and following your art for over a decade. Whatever solution or workaround you set up, I'm right behind you.

hirumono

I must add, there's not probably much to do about any US payment platforms, as they're now being scared (maybe rightly so) by the infamous SESTA/FOSTA and don't want risking highly dangerous legal consequences. I believe that only a non-US platform might take the risk of accepting adult content right now.

The happy spartan.

What is It patreon doesnt like exactly? If it only two posts could it be they are flagging for beastiality? If that the case post this section of the comic on your site but the bulk of the rest here.

eldrikaethervial
>>22134012

One was flagged for beastiality, the other for "Sexual violence" which happened before in the comic and will happen again because it's a war between two species, not a tea party.

Wingblade

I mean its hard to say really, Discord you would have to keep track of literally everyone at that point so thats not an option.

eldrikaethervial
>>22137979

Nah bots take care of that fairly properly it seems, I check the audit log and they keep tier permissions up to date.

Grip

Stinks what they are doing, will still support you regardless.

John Messum

well since i'm only on the $1 teir it would not matter where you uploaded new comics as long as i was notified via e-mail so if the new place has that feature great. otherwise an update here to let me know when a new comic comes out would be very much appreciated.

Perniciousducks

If you haven’t gotten on the FvT discord server as a patron, I highly recommend creating an account with discord and linking it to your Patreon.

eldrikaethervial
>>22148889

I will post previews here, so you will get notification, but the actual full content will be available on the discord and, later, publicly.

eldrikaethervial
>>22106046

I do not know, but that,s what we're gonna test. I know at least that worst come to worst, patreon can complain but has no direct control of what happens on discord. It might become my main platform until I have my own website or something.

Galgano

I have mostly subbed at the $10+ tier for the tokens. Would that get removed if you switch over to the tip jar based system? Also, in regards to Patreon, how about only posting the safe stuff on here, but the not allowed stuff on your other site. Then flag them with spoilers so that people don’t accidentally spoil themselves and know to wait until the normal stuff catches up. As long as you don’t advertise your other site on Patreon, I don’t see them being able to do anything to you. You aren’t “making money” off of the stuff that you aren’t making accessible on the platform.

eldrikaethervial
>>22218057

The token system is kept on a personal spreadsheet on my computer, so as long as I receive the money in some way, nothing changes. Patreon just make it easier to keep track of people and their donation, since some members come and go, but there are archives of every month's patrons. I'm still going to post every month in relation to what content is planned and when the commission queue open, that's just text so nobody gets offended :P