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Jumpgate #62 - War Without End Part 2 (Patreon)

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2023-05-23 13:01:59
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The One has arrived! And we get more Zathras... so at least there is symmetry as Vera and I dive into one of the biggest episode of Babylon 5 yet on the Jumpgate podcast

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Jumpgate #62 - War Without End Part 2

Vera Wylde and Jessie Gender take up residence on Babylon 5, taking in one episode at a time. Season 3, Episode 17, War Without End Part 2 - Time travel, prophecies, and Zathras, OH MY! Long lingering plot threads are pulled tight in this story as Sinclair and the Babylon 5 crew struggle to ensure that what already happened is what still happens.

Comments

Becky Sparks

"You are finite. Zathras is finite. This... is wrong tool." Zathras is the best.

Noah Stackhouse

That scene at the end with Sinclair as Valen was so powerful. I'm amazed at how Michael O'Hara was always able to deliver such a calm, great performance when he was going through such mental health problems. It's a tragedy that he had a decline in his health later and passed away under such circumstances. At least he was able to have some good years before then and left behind such a great performance on the series. Looking forward to seeing the character again in the animated film that was announced recently.

Raven Woods

If you google Babylon Prime, you’ll see sort of an outline of what was originally planned, but I would wait until after you’ve both seen the full series because I think there’s spoilers for upcoming stories (at least in the discussions). Non-spoilers: This is what JMS came up with to finish off the B4 storyline after O’Hare left, but this is not exactly what would have originally happened. We would have seen the other side of the B4 story at the end of the series, which would have teed up a spin-off. I totally agree that WWE 1&2 also gives O’Hare a good sendoff episode. JMS promised him when he left that he’d be back as Sinclair, and his appearance in S2 in a message to Garibaldi was a “down payment” of sorts for that. The couple of looks that Sinclair gives at seeing Sheridan and Delenn holding hands and interacting throughout both episodes is, I think, a nod to the fact that it would have been Sinclair and Delenn who got together in the original plan. There is a comic that explains a bit of what happened to Sinclair/Valen after War Without End, and maybe a couple of novels? But they also tie into a story further along in the series. Part of why Garibaldi didn’t come on the main mission was a choice from JMS - that Jerry Doyle and O’Hare kind of set each other off, just in their personal interactions, and JMS didn’t want to give them too much time together so that O’Hare didn’t get overly stressed. JMS has said that he didn’t have specifically a lot of hard and fast plans for the show’s narrative that couldn’t really change, but more that he had specific stories, beats, and ideas/themes, but he kept how he got there a bit malleable so that he could change the way the story unfolded as production needed. I think Vera’s observation about production needs forcing JMS into a place where what he ended up writing ended up being better than why was originally planned is very much right on the money. 1/2

Raven Woods
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That line in the pilot where Kosh says “Entil’Zha Valen” was added in later. When TNT got the rights to show reruns of B5, they remastered the pilot to add Christopher Franke’s score instead of Stewart Copeland’s original score, and they added ADR of that Kosh line. And if you think this is season finale-level stuff? Just wait for the season finale! 2/2

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