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We are all Pawns #17 - Fall Out (Patreon)

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2023-12-14 14:00:07
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DEM BONES DEM BONES DEM DRYY BONES! Its time for the SERIES finale of The Prisoner and oh boy, you better resurrect yourself for this one cause we're about to start a rebellion as Vera and I chat about this divisive episode on the We are All Pawns podcast! (also sorry this one is late in posting! I'm at my editors this week wrapping up the Director's Cut for IDENTITEAZE!!!!!!) - https://councilofgeeks.libsyn.com/we-are-all-pawns-17-fall-out

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We are all Pawns #17 - Fall Out

Vera Wylde and Jessie Gender take up residence in the Village wherein can be found "The Prisoner."  Episode 17, Fall Out - We've reached the end of The Prisoner and... oh jeez this is going to be such a pain in the butt to try and explain.

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Keith D. Jones

Fall Out was my first exposure to The Prisoner. I told this story on the post about the first episode, and twenty-four hours later realized my silly little anecdote about me and my father watching the episode was a major spoiler. Aaaaaaaahhhh, I'm still horrible embarrassed about that. I can only hope not too many people were spoiled. I've edited that post to remove the spoiler. Ugh, I'm so embarrassed. Okay, silly little story about my father and me watching The Prisoner time. It was the mid-to-late 1970s. We were flipping channels, turning the actual knob on the actual TV because we didn't have the money to buy one of those crazy newfangled TVs with a remote control. Goodness, what a concept, remote control. We landed on the local PBS station, KTEH, which liked showing SciFi stuff, and my dad said he recognized the show. Episode was already in progress. He said it was called The Prisoner. He said it was about this guy who tried to escape from this place, and every single episode ended with him being recaptured. So we watch the episode, why not? There weren't that many TV channels. My dad kept saying "any minute now, he'll be captured," and "any minute now". We watch some more, "any minute now." Episode ends, "huh, I guess that was the last episode." So yes, that was my first exposure. I loved the show. I wanted to watch the whole thing once KTEH got around to broadcasting it again. I didn't care I already knew The Prisoner escaped. Spoilers were not a thing.

Keith D. Jones

It's The Prisoner theory corner time. I don't know how much this can be called a spoiler, so anyway . . . . . . spoiler warning . . . While the episode Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling has issues, it also just so happens to include the closest we get to the reason The Prisoner resigned. It's all about that letter Seltman did not destroy, even though he really should have because in it our boy, The Prisoner, had told Seltzman he had been ordered to assassinate him and Seltzman had better run. Our boy, The Prisoner, resigned since murdering a colleague and close personal friend because the technology was too dangers for anyone to have was a bridge too far. The Prisoner did say in other episodes he resigned over "a matter of conscience" so the above is a very reasonable possibility on the "Prisoner theory" scale. Scott Apel went into a lot more detail in his analysis of the episode.

Emily Marriott
>>124749500

That aligns largely with my reading. I missed that part in Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling, but here's what I got. 1. 'It's a matter of conscience' 2. He was furious when resigning 3. The very first thing he felt he needed after resigning was a vacation 4. In Chimes of Big Ben, he mentions "For a long time now..." just before realizing he was still in the village, letting slip that there was a long-growing discontent. 5. In A. B. Or C. we establish he was not selling out. Put all that together and we get that he probably had growing discontentment with his job for some time, being unable to reconcile his conscience with what he was doing regularly. Then, the mission or order that broke that camel's back was so egregious that it left him in a fury and feeling he needed not just to get out entirely, but take time to clear his head. Being ordered to assassinate a close personal friend would fit the bill for the sort of thing that would push him over the edge. In a way, it seems like one of the more straightforward bits of The Prisoner. The pieces of it are scattered, but once you put them together, it's like "Yeah, makes sense." Or maybe I'm reading it too literally.

Arwen Spicer
>>124748899

Hi Keith, KTEH! I remember watching The Prisoner on KTEH. Do you remember Scott Apel's commentary? I owe so much to their Sunday Science Fiction Night. By a weird coincidence, "Fall Out" was my first Prisoner episode too. It's a weird place to start.