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Small Arms of WWI Primer 107: US Winchester 1897 "Trench Gun" (Patreon)

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2019-09-24 05:19:42
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Small Arms of WWI Primer 107: US Winchester 1897 "Trench Gun"

Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration. C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday! Check out the Winchester 1895 Book! https://www.1895book.com/ Additional reading: https://archivalresearchgroup.com/ Notes and records provided by Archival Research Group Please support their efforts! The Winchester Model 1893 Shotgun Winchester Arms Collectors . Bert Harman The Winchester Book George Madis Complete Guide to United States Military Combat Shotguns Bruce N. Canfield Jungle Patrol, the Story of the Philippine Constabulary (1901-1936) Vic Hurley Ammunition data thanks to DrakeGmbH https://www.youtube.com/user/DrakeGmbH/ Animations by Bruno! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTkD8fyZRgT5icMbKeMFEbQ Support this content at: https://www.patreon.com/CandRsenal OR https://www.subscribestar.com/candrsenal Or buy prints from the show: https://candrsenal.com/shop/ Snail Mail us at: PO Box 80849 Charleston, SC 29416

Comments

Austin Leeds

Othias nooooooo, why must you do this to my sleep schedule???

Peter Starr

Posting this at 23:20 on a work night? ha ha ha. I would call you evil but you just posted a new primer so I can't say that.

Seagunner

Nice still at work..getting paid!!

James G. Jones

Question..did the US Navy show any interest in the 1897 shotguns as a possible defense option against boarding or have when inspecting vessels?.I figured the Navy would have come up with options to keep ammo dry since deal with water conditions. Also any idea how paper shells would have performed in dry but extreme cold conditions?

Christopher Hunt

I got to shoot an original last weekend. Probably the only one I will ever see.

Ion

Oh boy, time to see the myth of the amazing WW1 shotgun being destroyed

Bruce Brodnax

@ 30:59 -- "...pacify the Moros: that was done with a mix of politics... & post-mortem defacement of human remains." Nice one, Othais! Not certain whether Black Jack Pershing's burying of killed muslim rebels in pig offal falls under politics or defacement, but it worked. Perhaps worth implementing in these modern times, as a reminder that the only paradise the crazed bombers are going to get is the one they left behind here on Earth before they got so bloody-minded as to attack their peaceful neighbors?

Bruce Brodnax

Footage of Mae slam-firing the Win'97 @ 59:56 [something that was notably missing from her test-firing sequence earlier in the vid...] And again at 1:12:06 [but this time, w/ audio!] ;-)

Bruce Brodnax

@ 1:22:16 -- WRT "night fighting/patrol" ; this pretty much echoes one of the [very few] stories my dad told me of his experience in Korea, going out on night patrol. The Marines had riot guns in their TOE but no ammo, so they ended up trading Thompsons [still in the TOE, but heavy as sin & nobody wanted to hump them around on patrol] to the Army for pallets of 12ga to feed their shotguns. Of course, he preferred to use his captured PPSh as long as the ammo held out, but otherwise, it was the shotgun on point...

Bruce Brodnax

WRT wet conditions being the bug-bear: you'd think that the over 2 decades of use of repeating shotguns by American sportsmen for waterfowling & use in the Philippines [not known as a dry environment] would have led to the development of Baekelite shells or something by then [of course, they did have the full brass shells, but I'm working on an alternate timeline development of alternatives to the paper hulls idea here.] Go figure...

Chris Crowther

*watches to end begins to think they sound like the last category...then feels called out on being the kind of person who watches right to the end* Damn you for knowing your viewer base so well. (Also goes to buy a copy of the book.)

Alden Skinner

I LOVE the idea of a book/collector/research site! I've long since come to terms with the fact that I'll never be able to own all the firearms I admire, and turned more of my attention to buiiding my library. When considering say, a $500 gun, I look at the $60 book about that gun as an insurance policy of sorts. Its really a cheap way of avoiding an expensive mistake.

KP Schroer

The criticism that the shotgun was good in the trench, but a liability getting to the trench, also applies to the submachine gun.

Gerbils McFadden

Off topic, but I just wanted to let you guys know I was one of the people whose shirts got lost in transit this time around. I just received my replacement shirts in the mail the other day, and am greatly enjoying the comments from the folks at the gun club about them, and the perplexed looks of commoners when I wear them about town. My wife is disappointed the stickers were of crozier and machine guns, but not crozier operating a machine gun. Ah well, maybe next year. Thanks for the shirts!