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Othais and Mae talk about our future shotgun series, the surplused site, surviving a minor house fire, and more!

https://surplused.com/

Comments

Matti Opitz

Will you bring it on Youtube? I will not be able to watch it right now, but like to put it in "Watch later" playlist so it comes up later.

David Hemsath

You made the right choice getting the networkless window cooling unit. Every additional networked “smart” device potentially increases the attack surface of your home network. Suggested reading: Bruce Schneier’s _Click Here to Kill Everybody_.

Tiger in man's clothing
>>35654703

And who is collecting the data that the device has access to? How hard would it be to install a data collection device in that WiFi enabled Fridge or AC unit? Can you guarantee that this isn't a thing? I'm not overly paranoid, but how lazy can you be if a remote isn't enough to control your TV or AC unit that you need to be able to do it with your phone?

Wayne Dygert

Glad you guys survived your very own version of a Chinese fire drill (gotta wonder about the origin of that phrase). I'll have to make another attempt at getting my 70+ y/o brain wrapped around the vagaries of discord

David Hemsath
>>35654703

Vendors of smart home components (doorbell cams, locks, appliances, entertainment, thermostats, etc.) have shown a consistent lack of respecting consumer privacy. They're just like their big brothers in the cloud (e.g., Google & Facebook) -- monetizing what they know about you. Also, following the usual software metrics of you can have only have two out of {fast, cheap, good}, good almost always falls by the wayside unless it's regulated like avionics and durable medical equipment -- and even those can go south (e.g., Boeing 737 MAX, vulnerable insulin pumps, ...). If you have such devices, always make sure you don't take their setup defaults -- set your own unique passwords. And follow other best practices for your home network(s). It's not just Wi-Fi. Bluetooth, Zigbee et al can be really sloppy. See https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/70/documents/what-we-do/cybersecurity/professional-resources/csi-best-practices-for-keeping-home-network-secure.pdf for a start. In case anyone is wondering about my bona fides to be commenting on this, I spent the last 25 years of my more than 40 years as a software engineer as a cybersecurity professional.

Peter A

"Most people don't want an hour on a firearm they've never heard of... it's just too much." As someone who did not grow up shooting or knowing squat about firearms, that is literally why I watch this show and why it's so awesome.

Robin Roberts

Shotgun series: "Duck season were declared!!!"

Brian Ingram

"The Mae" cause she's a singularity. Like the only 1-of-1. :)

Sean Morrison

The podcasts really should begin with Othias vocals like a certain recent episode of someone else's show to remain unnamed.

Phil Block

Holy crap, the point on gatekeeping is real. Witnessed an argument on a Facebook group the other week about what ammo to shoot in an M1 and there were two of the high and mighty gurus that dismissed everyone by saying, go read the last issue of the GCA magazine. Fam, if it ain't online, it doesn't exist. Do a freaking brief writeup and scan the chart of okay ammo if you actually want to distribute real knowledge instead of trying to convince a bunch of randos to subscribe to a $40/year magazine for one article. They don't want people to learn, they just want to be right.

Drizzle

I assume your city has a fire department, either volunteer or professional; next time call them, please. Fire guys are happy to come out, and if it does turn out to be more than you can handle, they have a head start to be there to put it out. As someone who has had a house fire, even if it turns out to be nothing, get them starting your way. Plus, they have ladders long enough to reach your crawl space and see your charred panel. Just a suggestion...

Alden Skinner

Gave my Brophy Marlin book a "really?" look. Yes to the community maintained database! Retired, *really* anal, data nerd here. And yes, you correctly identified my issue with discord. I'm here for the gun history. Only.

Anonymous
>>35678611

Obviously you have never actually seen what the fire department does on a house fire call. I have a neighbor who has been through it. He had the smell of smoke and some visible smoke around where his brick chimney goes through his roof. So he grabbed a fire extinguisher, a crowbar, and a ladder from his shop and peeled back some chunks of sheetrock from the ceiling from around where the chimney went through and gave it a few good blasts of CO2 extinguisher. It still kept smoking anyway so he looked closer and realized there wasn't even any scorching on any of the ceiling timbers or in the insulation but there was a big crack in a morter joint in the chimney and the chimney was just leaking smoke from that crack. Just a smoke leak from failed cracked morter between the bricks. So he put out the fire in the fireplace to let the chimney cool down so he could get some morter repair compound and fix it. About then is when the fire department showed up, which his dumb wife had called even though he told her not too. He tried to explain to them it was a false alarm and had just been a smoke leak and showed them there wasn't even any scorching in the now exposed area of the ceiling around the chimney. They ignored him and proceeded to smash out three windows in different rooms in his house (not the room with the fireplace) and run hoses in through those windows plus his front door and spray the whole inside of his house with thousands of gallons of water. And they chopped holes in his roof with fire axes in multiple places not just around the chimney and put in more hoses in those holes in the roof and pumped in thousands of gallons of more water. This totally water damaged his house top to bottom half liquified sheetrock half peeling off the walls and ceiling with soaked insulation. Should I mention this was the middle of winter? So then with smashed out windows and holes hacked in the roof and no heat then all the entire water logged house including a crawl space underneath which was filed up with water like a swimming pool then proceeded to freeze up solid including all the plumbing in the house. While they proceeded to do this to his home he first tried to reason with them, then tried begging them to stop, then told them they were traspassing and to "get off my land", and finally he tried to physically stop them. He was wrestled to the ground, pinned down, arrested, handcuffed, forced into the back of a police car and the cops and fire department colluded to keep the cop car there with him in it and make him watch for over an hour instead of taking him directly downtown. His insurance company refused to pay for anything since there was no fire damage only "fire department damage" and the fire department refused to pay for the damage they did and his attempt at suit was "dismissed with prejudice" by the local judge in collusion with the local fire department as the fire department being part of the local government and having immunity for their actions taken in fighting a fire. Then the local government tried to condem what remained of his house (which was paid for, no morgage, an investment of many years for him). I helped him strip it back down to the bare timbers and dry it out so he could start rebuilding it that spring. He lived in his shop the remainder of that winter and for the next couple years while he rebuilt. Also he divorced that worthless wife of his (not just that incident, she was worthless before that, but it was "the last straw"). Technically his home is still condemned on paper by the county. Even though it has been fully rebuilt and he has been living in it for many years now after rebuilding. Also, his driveway now has a massive gate on it that it would take a while to batter through even with a bulldozer and the local fire and police department and any county government scum know well they are even less welcome on his property as they are on ours and a lot of the my other neighbors in the area. Most of us in this area, we know better then to call either the police or the fire department.

Drizzle
>>35678611

Wow. First, ever heard of the paragraph? Second, my dad was a fireman for 20 years. Third, I work for a police department and work with the fire department every shift. Fourth?

Drizzle
>>35678611

Fourth? I have never seen such a negative comment directed at a comment I made on any forum anywhere. If this is the sort of people C&R has as fans, I'm sorry for them and you, and I won't be commenting on here ever again. You win, turbo 1889. I'm sure you're on the Discord server too, which I just received an invite to, but if this is what awaits me, I'll pass. I don't need the aggrivation.

Benjamin de Groot

Salted liquorice is one of the things the Dutch share with the Finnish love of Salmiakki. It's probably a medicinal sort of thing: way back when you used to buy your liquorice at the apothecary.

Christopher Dooley

OMG. Now I realize that I need the C&Rsenal Wall as a Zoom background

Bruce Brodnax
>>35671318

Don't know if they don't want people to learn, I think it may be more of the Boomer divide ["We grew up w/ citable print sources; Wikipedia is trustworthy as far as you can throw it..."] and getting tired of answering the same question(s) repeatedly because the Gen Y's & Millennials just won't do a search but immediately resort to polling the hive-mind. In short, they're trying to teach a man to fish, not just feed his inquiry of the moment...

Bruce Brodnax
>>35678611

@ Matt Green: welcome to the '90s! Try not to get your panties in a twist just because your experience differs so greatly from someone else's & they got triggered by your post. The U.S. is a big place, and there are still parts of it where the local govt. is going to CYA for each other when some PTB makes a bad call. Local govt. would (& should!) have been on the hook for that, but the insurance company is also at fault for failure to pay out & then subduct (that's probably not the right term, IANAL; it's some fancy legal term for getting pay back from the responsible insurance carrier) the payout from the city govt. after they put the screws to them to make good.

Bruce Brodnax
>>35678611

@ Turbo1889 (what moniker is that? Did you put a turbo on your bored & stroked VW Beetle?) -- Would you mind divulging who your friend's deadbeat insurance carrier was? It might help everyone here to know who to avoid! :t

Bruce Brodnax
>>35698643

There is only one reason to consume black licorice [yes, I realize the red stuff isn't licorice, but too many youngsters wouldn't get it if I didn't specify the color] and that is to eliminate garlic breath. If you didn't have a meal w/ garlic [or a bunch of onions], then there's no need to torture yourself. Just sayin'... ;-)

Bruce Brodnax
>>35717075

OMG, I hope you're using a throw away email & password on Zoom! Notorious security flaws there...

Kevin C Huhn

Like a Wikipedia with comments?

Lemonjellow
>>35671318

If you are REALLY hardcore into shooting the M1, the GCA magazine is pretty awesome. Also you can use them as a an affiliated group to order from the CMP if there isn't a local group in your area... Also, not sure it's a Boomer divide... I'm considered an early Millennial, at least post Gen X'er and it bothers me when people make broad sweeping statements without citing sources... Then again I also have a B.S. in History, which means I basically went to school to learn to do research. Oh, and InRangeTV addressed the M1 ammo discussion I think in multiple videos...

Phil Block
>>35671318

Yeah, these sorts said that video is bunk and cited their paywalled article as evidence. Mind you, there are some factual errors in the setup of that video, but I don't exactly want to throw out potentially viable data without actually seeing contrary evidence. I am completely open to evolving my understanding of the topic, but I also really don't care about the M1 that much, nor do I really have any desire to chase stuff to get CMP eligible, so I'm kinda at an impasse here. The CMP manual for the M1 actually cites that most commercial loadings under 180 grains are okay in lieu of M2.

Jackson Darr

Othais, as someone who's a been a moderator on a fairly active niche blog for a few years, I feel your pain. I didn't start the site, but was recruited from its commentariat after posting there for most of a decade. I've now been part of the process to find other moderators, and it's hard.

Benjamin de Groot
>>35698643

Just saying: we also do a good number on raw and pickled herring, so we have a different definition of "torture".

Andrey Gardner
>>35664751

Same here. I love the long and consistently structured format. However, I am uncertain if civilian guns have enough "entertainment" in their history. "And it did not sell well," may be much less compelling "failed trials because..." Conversely, I know too little about the matter and many of the guns may have an exciting Lewis vs Crozier drama or someone as colorful as Hiram Maxim behind them.

H Norman Angell

Just joined today at the $5 level to help you out. Great sight and great shooter (your wife!) reminds me of martin and osa johnson

CandRsenal
>>35664751

"The average person" We get a lot more conversions on episodes about recognizable guns. THEN they get into the flow.

CandRsenal
>>35680012

It has more than any other source on those shotguns. But the serial data is just head scratching. Doesn't mean it isn't accurate but definitely worth confirming since I don't have the source surveys.

CandRsenal
>>35731097

sorta? Wikipedia allows collaboration around singular articles. This lets authors write their own

CandRsenal
>>35742071

Yeah... communities are full of "Karen" moments no matter how much any one person believes they are immune. Moderating that is difficult to do evenly.

Matti Opitz
>>35653648

Yes Please! That is, of coure, if this is not to much of an hassle, with all the unlisted Crap and Link copying and geting away from the angry Bots over there.

Richard Anderson

The failure of so many people to research even the most basic of issues seems to be expanding....perhaps just another aspect of instant gratification. Please ignore them to the best of your ability and concentrate on your broader education goals.

Richard Anderson

Ode to Mae: Rock-a-bye, baby, in the treetop When the wind blows, the cradle will rock When the bough breaks, the cradle will fall And down will come baby, cradle and all Baby is drowsing, cozy and fair Mother sits near in her rocking chair Forward and back, the cradle, she swings And though baby sleeps, he hears what she sings Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma Rock-a-bye, baby, in the treetop When the wind blows, the cradle will rock When the bough breaks, the cradle will fall And down will come baby, cradle and all

Christopher James Henry
>>35698643

Salmiak is delicious. However, the specifically Dutch practice of flavoring licorice with both salmiak *and table salt* is weird.

Christopher James Henry
>>35698643

For those who are not aware: Salmiak/salmiakki is a contracted version of the Latin "sal ammoniac," meaning ammonium chloride. It's simultaneously salty, sour, bitter, umami, and (on mixing with saliva) ammonia-y in the back of your throat. Ammonium chloride is commonly used to flavor liquorice in Europe North of a line that cuts between France and Belgium, and across Germany. The term "salmiak" can refer, depending on context, to either ammonium chloride itself, or this combination.

Jorge Gomez

I just got around to listening to this episode of the Podcast. I think Othias needs a Wiki for guns. Wikipedia adds and edits entries.