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[Premium Access] The Wire - 3x11 Middle Ground - Group Reaction + Uncut (Patreon)

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It's the end of the line for a fan-favorite character, as Omar and Brother Muzone move in on their target in Season 3 Episode 11.

Reaction: https://youtu.be/JjJdorDRkEk

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Alwyn Smith

early upload for the wire....love it!

Michael Smith

Yes! My favorite episode of the series!

A L

The best opening scene of any episode

Ryan

Awesome an early upload, kind of ruins my idea of the “Well get on with it Motherf*****’s” comment I was planning on posting around 2ish. Oh well.

The Normies Staff

Every time I think the direction and cinematography of TV can't get any better... The Wire just raises the bar another notch. Can't believe this show is nearly 20 years old and still unmatched with its quality. This episode absolutely blew me away. -Dustin the Editor.

Herik -Salvadorian Reacts

This is the best episode of the whole series. The 2nd one will be "Final Grades"

Kamina 1

SO many iconic scenes in this one episode. Just legendary 🙌

Blake

I love Stringer as a character but he definitely got what he deserved in the end.

Ron Corleone

Season 4 is my favorite season but this is my favorite episode of The Wire and that Avon, Stringer, Slim Charles scene is my favorite scene. At one point Spidey said "Did they switch roles?" in reference to Avon and Stringer, no they didn't. The thing is Avon is a lot smarter than people give him credit for and Stringer is a lot dumber and messes up A LOT more than people give him credit for. That whole Orlando debacle which basically led to Kima getting shot, and pretty much the downfall of the Barksdale organization that they never recovered from, was all Stringer. Also the whole "Did they switch roles?" line is kind of ironic becuase I was thinking that same thing about Rana and Pat(definitely not trying to call either one of them dumb). When it came to Avon saying they aren't putting a hit out on a state Senator Pat saying Avon is right is what I would've expected Rana to say, and Ran saying that they can't let that slide is what I would've expected Pat to say. As for them being partners through and through, B&B is technically the company name for their legit businesses, but it's still BARKSDALE Organization. Tom Hagen, advised Michael Corleone, kept him out of as much trouble as possible, try to steer him in the right direction, and was his brother but at the end of the day Michael was the don. As for the line to New York was closed, if I remember correctly, a lot of Avon's connects were a little suspicious of him getting out of jail so early, but after Brother Muzone got shot(something that Stringer did behind Avon's back might I add), no one wanted to touch Avon and it kind of messed up his reputation. I think Brother Muzone was basically saying if Avon rights the wrong the Stringer committed, that line will be open again and his reputation would stay in tact. I could be wrong, but that's what I got from the situation.

Ron Corleone

I used to always say that if Cutty came to Stringer asking for money for a gym, Stringer would've laughed in his face and had him killed but upon further reflection I realize I'm wrong. Stringer would've had Cutty killed the second he tried to leave the organization. But that scene is why I've always been more of an Avon fan than Stringer but at the end of the day as hard headed, stubborn, and frustrating as he could be Avon still could have a heart and values, and a code. Like Avon said, he bleeds red, Stringer bleeds green.

Ryan

Stringer Bell was one the most richly and well drawn characters I’ve ever come across, it was such a shame that he had to exit in season 3. Idris Elba absolutely nailed his portrayal of Stringer and the fact he received no accolades for his performance is a bigger crime than Emmy Rossum never getting any recognition as Fiona Ghallager. In the end Stringer had the same problem as Dee, he didn’t want to get real with the story and his role in it so the story got real with him.

outdoorcats

Avon and Stringer reminiscing on the balcony is straight modern-day Shakespeare.

Ron Corleone

Okay, this is my last post. There's a line in Boardwalk Empire about how you can't be half a gangster. IMO that was Stringer in a nutshell.

Ryan
>>59621867

I always thought that was what Brother was referring to as well with Avon. “Make good on Stringer’s mistake and your back in”.

james moore

Only one more episode until the best season in my opinion 🔥🔥🔥🔥

Max

I dont care what anyone says Rana is a straight G

Ryan
>>59618591

Oh my sweet summer child, season 4 is gonna blow your mind.

Ryan
>>59623734

Oh indeed, Rana is the Normie who helps you bury the body, completely Ride or Die. The rest of them will be telling you to turn yourself in and make things right while Rana goes to shed and gets the shovels.

Kamina 1
>>59622019

Avon over Stringer since day one as well. It seems so fitting that Stringer's life be taken by Omar. Going all the way back to the scene where Omar, and Bunk talk about how a man must have a code. Which is why i could always get behind Avon as a character. People can say what they will about him. But he most certainly had a code he lived by. According to Brother Mouzone, reputation alone is the only thing keeping Avon's reach to New York alive. Wood Harris absolutely nailed the role! Together he, and Idris elevated this show.

Kamina 1
>>59618591

It puts a big ol cool-aid smile on my face everytime i read a comment of yours (or Chris reads a comment of yours lol) about how much you appreciate this show. Hope one day after everything is said, and done. You, Chris, Micky, and White Pat can record a podcast together centered around The Wire. Like Ryan pointed out. The show only improves on those aspects you mentioned moving forward.

Alex

That's the tragedy of Stringer. He was a man with one foot in two worlds but belonging to neither. He didn't have the killer instinct to make it as a king the way Avon and Marlo do and he's just educated enough to be a mark in the legitimate world.

Kwame James

The comments is mostly for micky because I know he's said that he has seen the show although Avon isn't a good person but he did look out for his people which is why they had so much loyalty in season 1 it wasn't just fear also that its just business was bell Motto which is why bell looked uneasy Avon motto was always loyalty and his word which brother reminded him he might be in business but what got him there was his word if you remember when was trying to find muscle for his war one of the guys said he couldn't help because brother put a hex on them brother holds a lot of weight in New York underground and mid spoiler you said the co op and bell was right to stop Avon we both know that not remotely true things were much more peaceful under Avon people died for a reason

MojoJojoGojo

I'm going to watch this show because Mondays and Tuesdays feel dry for me...I'm randomly here I know.. don't beat me up for it but is this show really a GOAT?

if validLife

Were the mics not working for this one? Audio is so so. Great reactions though!

Ryan
>>59633707

It’s a contender for sure. For me it’s GOAT, but Best is subjective, something else could work better for you. I always describe it as “The most important television show ever made” other shows can tell amazing stories and have amazing acting but The Wire is in a class by itself.

Josh
>>59633707

as someone who recently finished it, I'd say it definitely could be the best (imo it is) but just on its own, it is a very IMPORTANT show to watch.

Ian M
>>59633707

Best way to describe it IMO. Opened my eyes to a lot of stuff I didn't experience and understand. So it was a very formative show for me.

Blake

It’s funny that Mickey says that we missed the point with Avon’s character when it is clearly him who has missed the point

Ronnie Shylock

Said this on YouTube, but I don't think you guys read those until the wider release, so saying it again here in case you're not aware. I don't know if it's the room, mic placement, or what, but it is really hard to clearly hear what you guys are saying; there's an intense echo compared to other recent uploads. Except Pat, of course. It's kind of disappointing since this was such a highly anticipated episode, but eh, I got used to it after a while.

Ryan
>>59653862

I don’t think anyone ever excuses Avon’s actions, it’s just that the Normies were running Avon down pretty hard this season and not subjecting Stringer to the same level of scrutiny. If they had come at Stringer and lauded Avon I would have spoke for String just as much. And the idea that String was trying to move past the Game misses the point a bit, he’s not like Cutty. Stringer went from being a scum bag drug dealer to a scum bag real estate developer and a really corrupt one at that. Stringer didn’t really have a good side, Avon did.

Acash33
>>59653862

They missed the whole point for 2 seasons stringer has been making mistakes and doing shady shit the whole time. They also kept failing to realize that it was Avon who built everything hence why stringer has such a hard time while Avon was in jail.

Acash33
>>59621867

Exactly all of this Brother basically told Avon you’d lose all your connects. Yea they failed to realize most of the smart decisions come from Avon. Hell Avon mentioned to stringer shutting handling Marlo earlier. I can’t believe they still missed the point of Marlo was making a play the whole time Avon saw it Stringer didn’t. Also Avon believed in getting legit things but they still needed to have the streets in order for their real money to come in.

Acash33
>>59633707

I’ve always said best show I’ve ever seen. It also gets the real life aspect like this is what happens in the real world.

Acash33

Omg Mickey take 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️. Nobody is idolizing Avon the comments most of the comments are telling Avon knows what to do in the game. Also let’s just get this out of there his community was screwed long before he existed and there are some very different people that are the reason for that. Also him giving the money to Cutty wasn’t for him to feel good he literally says take care of them and don’t put his name on anything. Stringer made stupid move after stupid move. Avon had legit businesses before he got locked out he knew how to get clean money the point you’re still missing everything ends if they don’t handle Marlo. Avon does not care about the co op. The only reason they were in business with them was because Stringer made shady deals behind Avon back. Avon has enough power to to rely on prop Joe.

The Normies
>>59653862

Okay so me saying "you guys missed the point" was a very poor choice of words. let me clarify. I don't think anyone missed the point of Avon's character. But a lot of comments defending Avon "because he knows what do to do with the game" but from my perspective isn't that the whole problem? If Avon just keeps doing what Avon always does then "the game" and all the problems that come with it will stay the same. I'm not defending Stringer either, he was a shit person BUT he did manage to make a co-op where everyone collectively agreed to do strictly business and lessen the violence. That to me is evolution of the game to some degree. Let's take Stringer out of the equation, what if it was Avon that brought the co-op together, how would you have felt about it then? I apologize for my poor choice of words but I just felt that people were overlooking a lot of Avon's wrong doings because "he has a good heart." At the end of the day, good heart of not, Avon is also kind of a shit person. That's all I was trying to say - Micky -

The Normies
>>59675107

For sure, I can definitely agree that the community was fucked long before Avon. And I'm not saying him caring about the kids or the community is fake feelings, I am sure he genuinely does care. But it does still feel hypocritical to me. Of course Avon is not solely responsible for the state of the community, BUT his organization at one point was raking in $60 million+ in annual revenue. That is a MAJOR negative economic impact to the community. So on one hand Avon wanna feel bad about the kids and the state of their lives, and on the other hand Avon is in some part responsible for the current state of the community. Again, he's not solely responsible, but he is making a hugely negative impact economically speaking. So that feels hypocritical to me to feel bad about the problems that you yourself are causing in some way shape or form, that's all I was trying to say. - Micky -

Blake

Mickey the problem with co-op is that there are always people like Marlo who cause problems and don’t feel like following the rules which is it is necessary for a person like Avon to take care of his enemies so that things don’t get out of hand like they are right now. This war could have been avoided if Stringer had handled the Marlo situation a lot sooner instead of waiting for Avon to get out of prison

The Normies
>>59675107

But I do think I said something along the lines of "Y'all missed the point of the character" and that in hindsight was a very poor choice of words and not what I meant to say, but I hope I clarified myself a little bit here. - Micky -

The Normies
>>59653862

I see what you're saying Ryan but I have to disagree about Stringer. I DO think he was trying to evolve the game if not go past it, but the think is Stringer is too arrogant to do it successfully. But look at what he did accomplish, I really don't think that him setting up the peaceful co-op gets enough credit. Yes drugs are still being sold and the community is still being destroyed, but he managed to sit most of the big players down and have them agree to lessen the violence. I know he didn't do that for the good of the community or because he was tired of having his people die. He did it for selfish reasons for sure but STILL we did have less violence for a bit. I may not be able to get my point across here in text so I will address it in the next ep so I can clarify myself a little more cause I have a lot more to say but I don't feel like typing it all out rn lol, so I will save the majority of my response for the next video. stay tuned - Micky -

The Normies
>>59656168

I think our good audio failed us this episode and we had to rely on secondary audio. Extremely unfortunate especially for this episode

Ryan
>>59653862

But the co-op is not nonviolent. Kintel Williams is a member of the Co-op and he was dropping bodies earlier in the season which was why the Major Crimes Unit was detailed to work him. The co-op is not an improvement to the situation, they’re still violent, and next season they’ll be shown to still be a violent organization. Yes they don’t bump against each other’s turf but if some young player tries to make their own territory or some cats from NYC try to move in on Baltimore, the co-op will come down on them violently. Just because they’re organized doesn’t make them a better class of criminal it just makes them more palatable.

Griff

Audio was not great this time around

John Richards

The man playing the head of the city health department was Kurt Schmoke, former mayor of Baltimore, who publicly called for drugs to be decriminalized - which earned him the cover of Time magazine, after a Congressman called him "the most dangerous man in America"

BetheSOUL
>>59633707

What they're all saying is right, it is brilliant and reflective of reality, but it is also entertaining af, pretty much any conversation between any two characters grabs you

BetheSOUL
>>59653862

Thank you Mickey for replying. I agree that Stringer was a reformer in a way (a self-centered one at that), as was Prop Joe, who pretty much came up with the idea. But whether it actually would have decreased the violence I do not know. Right after Stringer first met with Marlo and tried to be reasonable with him, the first thing Marlo told Chris was "tell our people to tool up." I also don't know how much you remember, so I don't want to give too much away, but later seasons will reveal why Avon was right to see Marlo as a threat that could only be dealt with through complete annihilation. Anyway, Stringer was a fascinating character. The Take did a video essay on his character you might like, check it out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp3KyZdd_Oc

Alwyn Smith

"ya'll heard a worldcom?"

BetheSOUL
>>59622064

Except Dee DID get real with the story in the end. He illustrated it with his take on Gatsby. Ain't you seen the show?

BetheSOUL
>>59623734

Bruh, Rana went to private school. She thought Cuddy's kids were going to shoot the other gym's kids if they lost. She's the farthest thing from a G, and you're just simping.

A L

you guys really need to stop talking over dialogue all the time. you miss so many things every episode.