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[Premium Access + Uncut] Buffy the Vampire Slayer 2x11 - Ted - Group Reaction (Patreon)

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Buffy, Xander and Zoe walk home after hanging out. Something seems suspicious in her home so she goes to investigate.

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Daniel R

this episode was awesome! glad the whole group was here for it!

Jarrod Wild

Growing up after a divorce and dealing with a step-father, and then another step-father after that, I really identify with this episode. Let's say there's aspects of it that are triggering. I love the episode though. Ritter is fantastic.

iJashin

John Ritter was acting his ass off in this episode

Jordan Haddow

Ah, one of my favorite episodes. It seems like a silly monster of the week episodes, but it really is a foundational episodes that builds quite a bit of slayer lore that much of the rest of the show utilises. First, there is the rarely used slayer ability Giles mentioned all the way back in the pilot episode. There was a scene in the Bronze where Giles told Buffy that the slayer has a built in sense for dangers around her and that she could just feel the vampires in the room around her. Buffy ignored it and it really hasn't been brought up since. Here though, we can see despite not training the ability. In the episode, Buffy is highly resistant to Ted and we are led to believe it's due to jealousy, but in reality it's her slayer sense warning her that Ted is not what he appears to be. Unfortunately, with the ability still being so untrained, she doesn't recognize it for what it is. Still it was strong enough to keep her from eating his food. The really cool thing about this ability is they don't bother to specifically say that it was what helped her. They won't always point out things in this show, but they will use things like this to affect characters behaviours and motivations. The other bit of slayer lore they build here has to do with the limitations of what it means to be a slayer. Before in episodes like Lie To Me and Angel, they focused on Buffy's role as judge. The episode Angel pointed out this aspect of being a slayer, because he's part of the demon world, but he's good, so she had to judge him worthy of not killing. In Lie To Me, they brought up the question of what does Buffy do if the bad guy is a human. At the same time, they defined a good person as one who makes the hard choice to do what is best for everyone, even if that choice is devastatingly bad for the one making the choice. Buffy thought she killed a human. Despite it being self defense or not, she knew in her core that it is not the slayers right or responsibility to stand as judge over the human realm so she made the hard choice to place herself in the hands of the human justice system. Fortunately, Ted wasn't human and Buffy was spared from dealing with any possible consequences (or did she). Still, it set the precedent. This episode will actually end up being a cornerstone going forward, one many episodes will building upon, which is why I like it so much. I'm kind of a nerd to world building in shows and this one is great for that.

space colon

Great episode! A really important one for this season to establish Buffy’s maturity! Unlike mummy girl or her friend who wanted to be a vampire she chooses to do the right thing and admit she “killed” Ted when her mom gave her an out

Cory Garron
>>88965100

Was that one of the girls' names from 8 Simple Rules? I never watched that show but watched a lot of Three's Company as a kid.

Cory Garron
>>88968579

Dude, what Gilles said in the pilot about her being able to sense vampires is obviously to spoof the movie, and make it clear they got rid of that stupid "menstrual cramp spidey sense" she had.

R3v1v4L

This episode was crazy I remember first watching it thinking are they actually going there? The slayer killing someone? 🤫

Matthew Kaufman

Great ep, like another comment said - lays a lot of groundwork for the future. With that said, it does pull its punches a little bit: playing with the idea of Buffy killing a human and then pulling back. But Buffy the show gets progressively better at making every choice matter and have consequences.

Jordan Haddow
>>88968579

You haven't watched the show all the way through before, then? Well, I stand behind my claim in this episode and I won't say much more about future episodes so as to not spoil it.

Keenan White

Now that was a fun one, great reaction you guys!

Ricardo Obregon

woooo yeah, i was waiting for this special episode, since the other robot/frankenstien episodes, still this is my fav season almost halfway, great job guys for sticking in this long. keep it up, gets crazier from here lol.

K Murray
>>88968579

That's really not as "obvious" as you claim. As a matter of fact there's no way to know that at all just based on the show.

Unstablebeast

so that whole argument of self defense doesnt necessarily work, see with self defense theres a specific part in the law that says "within reasonable force" you cant bash someones jaw open or shoot them because they slapped you, irl.....and ted being a human not a robot, buffy likely would have gotten manslaughter, which in most states is around a 5-10 year prison sentence, but her being young it would likely effect the outcome and sentencing. but its a show and he was a robot, so all fine

Jordan Haddow
>>88968579

Okay, if you had read my original comment, I had specifically said it was the opposite of obvious, so I'm not sure why you are quoting that word. Now, yes, like I already said, the show doesn't specifically say that she's using the ability, I feel confident that her ability to uncannily resist characters who are secretly dangerous like Ted shows up way too often in the show to be just a happy coincidence. I would go into detail, but again, I pointed out that this episode is kind of the earliest example of it, so going into detail would be spoiling he show by mentioning future episodes and events. One of the really cool things about this show is that it doesn't go out of it's way to have characters spell out every little thing through dialogue. There are many subtle things they use to affect their future behaviour. Take for instance Buffy's death. Sure, they did an thing about her PTSD the next episode, but they also have it affect her behavior all through the show going forward. It fundamentally changed her character. Same goes with her experience with killing Ted in this episode. It firms her resolve with regards to her own responsibility as the slayer going forward and it has tangible effects on her behaviour and outlook going forward. It's not something the specifically point out later on, but it's there. These things lack of obviousness is why I pointed them out. Many times it takes watching the show through multiple times to see what's going on, but reactors usually aren't going to have the time for that. You may still debate the validity of my claim and that's fine, but just keep an eye out going forward and I bet you will see these things crop up in episodes again and again.

Flora Smith

Weird (but great) to see so much love for this episode in the comments! It’s generally (IMO very unfairly) unpopular in the fandom

BetheSOUL
>>89022086

She's not just "young," she's a straight up minor, so it would DEFINITELY affect the outcome and sentencing 🤦‍♂️ What kind of lawyer are you?

Unstablebeast
>>89022086

Sunnydale is set in California, buffy in season 2 is about 17 years old, in California for certain crimes, which manslaughter is one of them, you can be charged as an adult as early as 14, so in Sunnydale California, buffy at 17 would have been charged as an adult, not a minor

Jaren

I pray that y’all can eventually react twice a week. Lol I know I know.

BetheSOUL
>>89022086

She turns 17 in "Surprise," so that falls flat. Also, with no priors and no premeditation (not to mention her being white and female), there's no way she would be charged as an adult.

Unstablebeast
>>89022086

I said ABOUT 17 regardless in the state of California, for a crime like manslaughter you get charged as an adult at 14 and up, she could be 2 years younger than she is and she would still be charged as an adult for that crime. Also dumbass, non premeditated murder is called manslaughter, there's involuntary and voluntary manslaughter and 2nd and 1st degree murder. She also does have a prior, she was blamed for burning down her old schools gym so she would have a charge of juvenile arson. And the white and female thing has nothing to do with the law, that's automatically assuming she gets a bias judge, I'm talking about strictly by how the law is written, and how self defense and her age would not pass in court if you went by just the law

Jaren
>>89118147

@joseph Irazarry right. I still have to finish with Ally.

Crispy
>>88968579

Very well said, I agree entirely. I also think it's one of the first episodes to go really hard on the real-world horror of something they've made into a monster (you could argue maybe Nightmares was THE first) - how scary Ted is has basically nothing to do with him being a robot, it's that he's an extremely effective emotional manipulator with deeply abusive and controlling instincts. Being a robot is just what justifies him getting into a fight with Buffy. There's a few more episodes like this, where the supernatural element is used mostly to move the horror into the show's area of operation instead of creating the horror itself, culminating in That Episode (if you know Buffy, you know That Episode) waaay down the track in Season 5. It's when the show is generally at its most emotionally powerful. Ted is a cracker of an episode

rickie woodson

ted: gives great moral life advice. them: you're not my dad! me: so only your father can give good advice???? im sure you do everything he has taught...... right is right and fair is fair. even if we find out ted is evil later on, it doesnt change reality. to quote whitney "i believe the children are our future, teach them WELL" #justsaying #morals #virtues

rickie woodson

one of the best episodes of the season and it made me notice there are a LOT of episodes like this with "toxic" masculinity going on in the show and seeing what joss' wife had to say about their relationship: PROJECTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rickie woodson
>>89118147

exactly. but not only that, there are so many two parters, its better to just do two a week and with what happens after season 3.............#twiceaweekbuff

BetheSOUL
>>89022086

Exactly, dumbass, manslaughter doesn't get juveniles tried as adults. And yes, the white and female thing WOULD enter into it, you sweet naive child. Lastly, she was never charged for arson, it's not in her record. It's in her SCHOOL record, but that's a separate thing.

Unstablebeast
>>89022086

Literally just looked it up, voluntary manslaughter is one of the crimes a 14-17 year old can be tried as an adult in California, and as someone who took a legal studies class, it's very rare for it to be ruled as involuntary manslaughter. Also while she wasn't tried for the arson, it is still a documented crime she is believed to have committed, and the court system could use that. Also again her being white and female COULD effect thing, but it also could not, it all depends on which judge and jury members handle it, hell for all you know she would get a misogynistic judge or jury members who would root against her

Chris Peterson
>>89022086

I'm sorry but you're wrong here. If Buffy's defense team could establish that Ted, a much larger person and male, had hit her first and her actions were as a result of it, there is no way, NO WAY, that any jury would ever find her guilty. She is a small underaged girl, he is a large adult man. No weapon was used. There is almost no chance that she would actually face real jail time. Remember, for a guilty verdict, all members of the jury must agree that her actions were out of line. One or two misogynistic outliers would not be enough to make a difference.

Unstablebeast
>>89022086

I never said she would legit face jail time, but her being under 18 and self defense would not stop her from going to court. Also the big issue would be that she kept hitting Ted after he stopped and then threw him down the stairs, plus with her guilt, idk if buffy would have even pleaded innocent. Also many people that they could bring as witnesses have seen buffy display her abnormal strength

Chris Peterson
>>89022086

That said, Unstablebeast, I don't want you to feel attacked or defensive here. I'm actually really impressed that you put this much thought into my favorite show. I love talking these kind of intricacies with fellow fans. I hope you keep watching brother cuz I certainly will. Take care

Chris Peterson
>>89022086

Eh, I don't want to get into it anymore than we already have. But I would say your take is reasonable up into a point. At that point being that Joyce would have to contradict and testify against her daughter as she was the only one who saw the way the actual fight down. I just don't see Joyce ever doing that. That said it was a really entertaining episode and it really shines light on what would happen if a Slayer accidentally took a human life? A question that will come up again next season but in a totally different way. Anyhow, again, I love the fact that you enjoy talking about this amazing show and I hope to have more discussions with you in the future.

bits
>>89022086

If Ted were human & it reached the point of conviction, Buffy being Buffy would probably plead guilty, I agree.

bits

An important character trait to take away from this episode is: Buffy's morals are strong and she 100% was ready to immediately own up to the consequences of killing another human.

Mariah Fallon

"He started it" isn't a defense that hold up in court, unless you are in a state that specifically states otherwise - you have to prove that you were in danger of losing your life.