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sk8star

i always loved that song at the end very beautiful and fitting that scene makes me cry

CampEvolution

Probably the best final minute of an episode in this show in the entire series. Shane looking out of the window at the lone walker in the field with “Civilian” - Wye Oak playing in the background… so iconic and nostalgic.

Malachi Pritchard

Tom that walker that was Alone Shane felt like that’s him all alone he was relating to the walker

Skyler

So glad you are loving this season! S2 is my personal favorite, the writing of the storylines & characters is super well done (not saying the other seasons don't have that lol). But man season 2 brings me something the other seasons don't!

Elliot

I forgot about the Lori and Andrea argument. The writers must've heard the fans talk at the time about those 2. They both quite nicely called out what we dislike about them.

courtney 🧚🏽‍♀️

right like two birds arguing with each other about which one sucks more lol they each had valid points but still

amy

Jon Bernthal kills it as Shane, he makes me hate his guts but also at the same time sympathize with him to an extent

RJH1984

Get used to the emotional and mental whiplash... it only gets worse ;P

kalindi

I mean, are we forgetting what Shane did to Lori at the CDC? Just because he didn't actually manage to assault her, he still tried and, most importantly, he never learnt his lesson since he still thinks Lori is 'his'. He doesn't deserve sympathy.

courtney 🧚🏽‍♀️

here i go again with my long ass comments but: rick checking shane was SO necessary & satisfying. i’ve said it before rick is not a confrontational person, especially with the people he loves. but no matter how much he loves shane he loves his family more. shane has been picking and picking and rick has let it go but him becoming a threat to him or his family is where he draws the line. rick doesn’t need to be loud or brash like shane bc he has nothing to prove. shane is always trying to overcompensate and bum rush people but that ain’t gonna fly with rick bc rick KNOWS him. there are aspects of his personality that rick overlooked before bc it was easier too but now he can’t. he’s seeing his brother unravel in front of him and the main cause of their beef and him becoming unhinged is his wife. smh rick always had my respect but how he handled that conversation with shane just cemented that for me. i don’t think shane is misunderstood. i don’t think he has a problem with confrontation i think he has a problem with being called out. with taking accountability. he can’t lie to rick. he can’t not be honest with his best friend so i think he didn’t want to talk bc he didn’t want to go there with him bc on some level he does truly love rick. he knows he fucked up. he knows what he’s feeling for lori is wrong on some level he has to. that’s why he couldn’t look rick in the eye. and i said it in the last episode but rick was deputy sheriff for a reason (also another reason why rick expects him to fall in line bc he previously did but now he doesn’t have to). he’s a good leader and good leaders listen to different perspectives and opinions. good leader can change their mind and admit when they’re wrong and make mistakes. they’re smart and they plan and do what’s best for everyone. shane doesn’t do any of that. sure he’s a great henchman and can defend but he does it for the wrong reasons and he’s willing to sacrifice anyone he deems is less important that him in that moment. . he’s selfish and short sighted. he’s impulsive, he doesn’t think or plan he just does. he’s prideful and his ego is out of control. he thinks he’s always right and he can do no wrong and that is not someone you want to be in charge or leading a group of people. the fact that rick didn’t threaten him but told him what it is i think made shane even more upset. that he didn’t stoop to his level bc rick is a good man and shane isn’t. rick is strong bc he can control his emotions while shane is weak bc he always reacts emotionally instead of responding. and i think shane hates or at least envies that bc rick IS the better man, father, husband, leader. the fact shane tried to literally KILL him should have been the last straw for rick. rick isn’t wrong for wanting to think before just reacting but deep down he knows what he has to do. but for shane to call rick out on his manhood and ability to protect his family is extremely disrespectful. just bc you have history with someone doesn’t mean they get unlimited amounts of forgiveness. shane crossed the line end of story. you can love someone and still let them go. shane isn’t alone. he chooses to be alone. he pushes people away. he was in ricks family but bc of how he’s been acting he’s getting pushed out. he can’t blame anyone but himself. rick didn’t kill him bc he wants him to change. he wants him to be a better man. he still has hope in the man he considers his brother. also andrea has NO right to handle the beth situation the way she did. it’s not her call. just bc she made it through the other side doesn’t mean she’s the authority on dealing with someone who is having suicidal thoughts. like girl if it wasn’t for dale you would’ve died. beth is a TEENAGER. andrea is a grown woman. idk i just don’t like how she handled that situation. you don’t know beth and you don’t know how she’s feeling. sure you can relate to some point but everyone is different.

Fender Fox

I feel like this episode was a throw away episode like the fly in breaking bad 😆 every episode is this show is great but this one for some reason just doesn't really move forward for me. Great reaction Tom

Ceylen

Everyone should add the song at the end in their playlist. It’s so good!

sk8star

the pain doesn’t go away you just make room for it 💔

Vamwolf 77

The first appearance of the iconic Lone Walker who is with us to the very end. As a little bts Easter egg, that's Greg Niotero, the genius behind the walker effects.

Ceylen

Tom what do you think the lonely walker in the field that shanes looking at? Does it represent how he feels right now? Sort of the odd men out

Yaboi7542

andrea was one of my least favorite characters in the show. she was way better in the comic

ThaJackBoy

We NEEEEED MOREEEEEE🫣😂

Zero

I actually liked her in seasons 1 & 2 and certain moments after that, but they changed her character way too much after the farm, she's unrecognizable imo.

Stash Barber

yeah, i like this episode but i have seen this whole series enough times i'd definitely skip this episode if i were watching alone. hell, i'd skip it with any other reactor for that matter... the episode ends exactly where it began.

Fender Fox

Lol that's so true, I think there's a few other episodes like this as well but they gotta be watched unfortunately 😅

Zak Lewis

When I burn or cut myself it's a temporary solution that leaves a permanent mark so I feel ya Doc.

Stash Barber

shane gets it right sometimes but he is no leader. in an earlier episode when shane was getting the truck to move the bodies to be burned and dale was standing there looking at him in no particular way that i could see, just looking at him. shane lost his shit. and he just couldn't let it go, over and over he kept berating dale. and dale said nothing. a real leader would not let such childish and petty emotions control their behavior to that degree. shane's problem, it seems, is that his thought process, his method of justifying his intentions likely feel concrete to him, nothing left for interpretation. i learned once i sobered up a couple years ago that when everyone around me is wrong and not thinking clearly... it miiiiiiight just be me who's wrong and not thinking clearly.

* Rose *

Andrea just bugs me so much! You do not let her keep the knife, even if it is technically her choice to make. She was not in the right state of mind to be making that choice. Andrea out there saying she worked through it, but only because Dale originally took her gun away when she was at her absolute lowest point and wanted to end it all. No one can see clearly in that state.

Zak Lewis

Talk about a cry for help... damn

Zero

Shane in the situation with Randall just gave off the vibes of wanting an excuse to kill someone. He's DESPERATE to kill him "Well when, Rick, when?" It's definitely debateable whether Randall was a threat or not, but Shane being that desperate to kill him feels off all-around. Also, I actually agree with Andrea here. I don't think it's anyone's place to force someone to live life. Maybe not give them the means to take their own lives, but it doesn't seem fair to not allow someone their own choice, ESPECIALLY in this context.

Aaron

Really? This one’s of one my favorites. And the ending scene showing Shane looking at the lone walker was very deep. It’s a reflection of how Shane feels, alone just wandering

Zero

I just could never get with Lori and "the men don't need your help". As if all the women shouldn't learn to defend themselves and the group. She was just reaching for insults at that point lol.

Fender Fox

OK I'm probably wrong I just always wanna see shows moving forward, like when I'm watching breaking bad or better call saul watching someone else react to it, I'm always waiting for the next big part of the show to see the reaction. So this episode was just a little slow but that's ok 😆

Korivex

The way I see Shane is... he really was a good friend to Rick, he loved him.... he really didn't look at Lori that way until they got together and then he felt like it was meant to be. I think he can not cope with the world the way it is and he uses Lori and Carl as an excuse to do the things he feels he needs to do. That is why he is obsessed with her and Carl, it isn't love, it is his reason to keep going and do ugly things to stay alive. When Shane and Lori were first leaving and stuck on that highway and she asked... 'why are we going to do', Shane said 'I'm going to do what Rick would have wanted me to do and get you and Carl out of here'. So, I see Shane as a man who is falling apart and I do empathize with him, even though he goes about everything the wrong way. Keeping Lori and Carl alive was his mission for Rick... then it changed into an obsession, now he is loosing it all... including his mind.

Elena

at least make someone think on it for a little longer, andrea wanted to kill herself, but Dale stopped her and she hasn't tried again.. so no i don't think andrea was right here.

Zero

@Elena That's fair. I'll say that providing some perspective is fine, trying to show them that you care is even better. But straight up locking them away, berating them like Maggie did, and not letting them make the choice if they want to live or not feels wrong. I don't think Andrea is entirely right for giving her the opportunity, but what she said was great: "The pain doesn't go away, you just make room for it". It's so true; my experiences in life have led toward that train of thought many times, but I was glad to have the space to make my own choices and figure out how I wanted to live my life after everything I've been through. I also think this context of life hanging by a thread every day with the threat of being torn apart should be taken into context here too, though. We can't look at this solely through the lens of our reality, this situation is insane and they've already seen how bad it can get. Contemplating your options seems pretty normal in this context. But there's a lot of nuance here overall, I can recognize the other side of it too.

Chrissi

He said before this season 2 is peak season and I was thinking it is very good... even though I really like the further seasons that I love, I agree this season is one of the best.

Bro

This is my favorite episode of the season. Such a great work of art with Rick and Shane’s talk. The choreography with the fight scenes. Like you said in your words Tom. This show brings up decisions in where there is no right or wrong just two different ideas of survival. You either agree or disagree. But of course in a world like TWD the decisions where morals come into play are even worse.

Bro

This season for me will forever be top 3 best for TWD.

Avery

hyped for episode 12

Sherry Bandito

I think Rick was considering leaving shane and him stopping and looking at those 2 dead walker cops was what turned him around to go back and save him. 3 more this season!! Looking forward to the next.. thanks!

Sherry Bandito

Twd has some great music. I have a playlist of just twd music when I’m just in that mood.,

Allie

The only thing I might disagree with is that Shane told Rick that he never looked at her that way before he thought Rick died. However, in the previous episode, he told Lori that what they had was a long time coming. I think he was being honest in that moment. But maybe he wasn’t 100% lying to Rick either. In the previous world, before everything went to hell, maybe Shane envied Rick for his position at work and the kind of marriage he had with Lori. I think maybe he was in denial about it, therefore he was telling the truth to Rick about not looking twice at Lori…but maybe it was because he would LET himself and never would have crossed that line in their previous life. I’m not sure if what I’m saying is making much sense as I actually type it, but I feel like both things he said could be true at the same time. Him conscientiously never looking twice at Lori, but also being in denial about his feelings and keeping himself in check on a subconscious level are concepts that I think can coexist. It makes Shane a VERY complex character to watch.

Amy J

To answer your cheez-it question at the start - go for it, my parents and I would usually have a small pudding and/or satsuma to snack on 😂😂 but proper meals? Heck no

Foffy123

I think Rick saw the two dead police officers side by side on the ground and changed his mind to go back for Shane, like he didn't want to leave his partner

Korivex

You could be right... I choose to think of it like he didn't look at her like that before... but when he said to Lori that it was a long time coming that he meant it was something he realized after it happened... like he realized, in hind sight, that it was meant to be. Now I'm not sure if how I'm explaining it makes sense. Either way, it does make it hard to know for sure because of those two statements because he seemed sincere both times.

Mami's Gatos

I hate how the farm era transpired. 😑🤠⛽️🔥🏚🚐🧐

Nail Orhan

sucks they never released the entire soundtrack though

nobudy

Finally Tom said it. Been waiting for him to call Andrea stupid the whole show. Really my least favorite character by far.

PJ Playhouse

I am the only one in this patreon that likes Shane. :D

Frog man

We need the last 3 episodes together like posted together best parts

Amy J

This show is so good at making you hate a character one moment and then agree with them in the next, total brain melt 🫠 I constantly flip flop between hatred and pity for Shane, frustration and empathy for Lori and Andrea... Poor Beth 😢

Amy J

My mum knew a lady who worked in emergency medicine, apparently she told her stories of folks who had taken lethal doses of paracetamol and alcohol who woke up in her ward so grateful to still be alive, only to be told they had done irrepable damage to their liver and they in fact did not have long left to live. How horrific that must be for both the patient and medical provider.

Reaction Therapy

This show destroys me because they will be totally invested in an emotionally heart wrenching scene and then switch quickly to some completely different scene😩

Chris Unknown

I was always so so on Andrea, but this season is when I really started to dislike her. From the moment she shot Daryl from being reckless to her actions this episode.

Reaction Therapy

Yep, I think it’s that and also the reality that this is our world and it’s a pretty hopeless feeling to see this is where we are at😢

SixFeetUnderKai

The Lori and Andrea argument regarding Beth is such an interesting one because you can absolutely understand both sides. It's frustrating 😂😂

SixFeetUnderKai

Agreed. And Lori trying to tell her to be a "woman" and stay at camp and not fight. It rubs me the wrong way. I get Lori's perspective but she's very unwilling to see another perspective sometimes.

Zero

@Kai Same, I try to give Lori the benefit of the doubt most of the time, but her trying to enforce gender roles here always annoyed me. Andrea was the first to break that mold and she should've been appreciated for it, not shamed out of it. None of them would've survived if they just stayed housewives forever.

Angelica Albanese

"This show plays on my emotions too much. I'm almost kinda - I feel taken advantage of." Facts lol. So one of the things TWD does a lot that I like is non-linear story-telling in terms of the script not being written purely in chronological order of events. We often get to see snips of the future before it jump-cuts back to the past, and vice versa. Definitely confusing sometimes though, for sure!

KairoWick

“The lone walker” So misunderstood

Jasorn

lemme as you somthin'

Josie

I get the feeling that Shane wants to talk "around" Rick, but not "to" Rick, because Rick knows how to circle Shane with reason and "talk him down". I think Shane enjoys his icky/self serving feelings and has finally gotten to a point of wanting to stay in the ick, make drama, talk and get riled up.. but he doesn't want to talk TO Rick because he knows Rick will bring him back down to earth and "talk" sense in to him. It's like Shane is spiraling and has finally decided he enjoys the ride. It also feels like a maneuver.

Sussie

That’s the thing with this show. Even a character you don’t like can do right and a character you really like can do wrong. Especially now in the beginning the moral dilemma is a huge thing and where do you draw the line.

Artemis Clyde

The answer to all those questions every time is just suspend your disbelief, dude

Virginia Harp

Thats recency bias right? When something happened so long ago that people start to forget how bad it is?

W Mabb

The ending to this episode is my favorite scene in the show. Really drives home the loneliness of their world and hits me in the feels lol