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Gay Nerds, Bisexual Sluts and Boy Miss Honey - Verily Podcasty - Ep 10 (Patreon)

Published:
2024-10-06 10:11:53
Edited:
2024-10-06 10:15:01
Imported:
2026-06

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We watched so many Pygmalion films for the “How to Build a Feminist” video and not all of them even made it into the final video! So we sat down to discuss some of the stranger elements of our Pygmalion journey.

Also a reminder that you can download our Patreon podcast for offline listening, speed it up etc. by using either the Patreon app or by linking your Spotify and your Patreon accounts and then listening to it on Spotify!

And here are some pics of Schnappi which will make more sense once you've listened to the podcast:

 

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allykitten87

14:15 one person's ugly is another person's beautiful

allykitten87

One person's weird is another person's normal.

allykitten87

20:50 I'm hazy, been a while, but I remember really enjoying life size

allykitten87

Have you guys watched Arcane (Netflix)?

allykitten87

52:45 there's that bisexual agenda XD

allykitten87

56:00 goldilocks promiscuity

Mascha Ermakova

Welll they will make a Princess diary 3, what are the chances

GoFartInAPhonebooth

i think the spectrum also exists in antifat bias i would argue people are called disgusting, then lose weight, are told it's too much and then get congratulated for being "the correct weight" and you're never allowed to exist in the body you just have

Rhiannon Alwen

I don't think we can get away that easily from the self liberatory fantasy, lest we forget that it's almost the flowering season of the paper poppy. We (as an amorphous blob) fucking love The War and The Blitz Spirit and that one song about Hitler's testicle.

Audrey Corcoran

imo the miss honey spectrum doesn’t exist in the same way for men in entertainment bc the policing of men’s gender performance isn’t tied to physical appearance, to self-objectification, in the same way. men’s value, and by extension the value of male characters, just isn’t dependent solely on their ability to attract sexual attention/romantic partners/domestic providers the way women’s is.

goldfinch

This made me realise that one of my favourite films, A Knight's Tale (which only has 59% on Rotten Tomatoes, but I imprinted on it as a child so to me it's the greatest movie ever made) is also arguably a pygmalion story - featuring a man being pygmalioned in a way that is more about class than looks. Plot spoilers below... A peasant man who is the squire to a knight decides to take that knight's place in a jousting tournament when the knight unexpectedly dies. Turns out he's really good at jousting, and he decides to continue to pretend to be a knight and keep competing in various tournaments. His friends and fellow squires help him deceive everyone, and for a while everything is going great. To my recollection, going too far on the spectrum isn't a huge part of the movie, but I think there does come a time when he gets too big for his boots and some of his friends, who are still living as peasants, start to resent him. Eventually this evil enemy knight discovers his secret and tells the authorities that he's not a real knight, and the hero is punished. But then the king/prince(?) shows up, and he's taken a liking to the hero so he frees him and tells everyone that he's discovered noble blood somewhere in his family tree (which isn't actually true), and knights him. So the main character goes from peasant, to fake knight (who lets the success and adoration go to his head just a little bit), to real knight who has earned his nobility. So he basically becomes part of the regime which had him living in poverty for most of his life, and that isn't really questioned! I think the Rotten Tomatoes rating is unfair, but I am very biased. Might be a fun one to watch if you're looking for more male Galateas and class makeovers!

Elizabeth Vos

Good point! As they do in The Devil Wears Prada…

MathClassWarfare

I was just thinking about ‘Lars and the Real Girl’ earlier today! (But when you said ‘the other Ryan gosling movie where he falls in love with a doll’ I thought you were going to say Blade Runner 2049 😂

Becky B

Elle Woods in Legally Blonde is an interesting case. She starts to Miss Honey-ify herself to fit into Harvard law school, but then resorts back to her fashionable, pink (and most courtroom-appropriate) bimbo style in the end.

Laura K. Watson

I think it's season 2 of Never Have I Ever where Fabiola has this whole makeover plot that ends with her going back to exactly how she looked at the beginning and when I saw that I was like wow this is the makeover story ending I always needed.

Gaoth gwyntog gwen

Verity, I would love to hear your thoughts on Buffy the Vampire Slayer! In addition to liking that show, I think it provides a lot of good lauch points for talking about interesting social stuff so it could be worth covering for people who haven't watched as well...

Verity Ritchie

I love Buffy, maybe we will cover it one of these days! I'm sure we'll circle back to vampires at some point :D

Verity Ritchie

Ada: While making this video I learned that Legally Blonde was co-written by one of The House Bunny writers and while not as blunt I do think I shares some of the same tropes. I would have to rewatch it to articulate why I'm not fully buying it as makeover subversion, though!