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A Gay Bar for Straight Men - A Cyberpunk 2077 review [Patreon exclusive] (Patreon)

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2024-12-20 20:20:01
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2026-08-23 07:46:39
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What does a sexy gay man look like to a straight gamer dude? Is bisexuality forbidden in the not too distant future of Cyberpunk? How many u

What does a sexy gay man look like to a straight gamer dude? Is bisexuality forbidden in the not too distant future of Cyberpunk? How many undercuts can you fit into one game?

All these questions and more will be answered in this exciting video about the coolest game of the 2020s!

This video is an appendix to our Youtube video "The Bulge Slider."See also: "S*x & Dragons: Sexuality in Baldur's Gate 3 and Veilguard"

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Wes

i hope the anime is better about this it's made by the same studio that did kill la kill

Ruxandra Grecu

'a boy with a muța' (spelled it as I would in Romanian, sorry if it's probably incorrect) killed me! also, Keanu Reeves really took a LEFT turn when collaborating on a novel with communist Daddy China Mieville, I'm proud of him! The Cyberpunk game is all aesthetic and texture, no actual meaning or theme.

erin-unknown

Cyberpunk 2077 really did queer and trans people dirty *on top of* having nothing really interesting to say about anything. I enjoyed several things during my playthrough but like... this just holds me back whenever I consider revisiting Night City.

Wes

we should get more ambithious indie games from queer people the only indie game i know of made by a trans person that got widely celebrated is celeste & that game only deals with queer identity in an allegorical way with the clue that the playable charecter madeline being trans is some easter eggs in a scene from the dlc with a trans flag & a more masculine looking madeline in a photo

Julian

Very interesting critique, also the main video. The bit about the gay bar for sure feels familiar to me, I remember going there in game and being like 'this is it?'. Especially considering that CP2077 is definitely not one of those games that can't do nightclubs well (see this video as illustration lol: https://youtu.be/ws0ufhrgWJw). I mostly liked the game from an architectural and environment design point of view though so who am I to judge 🙈

Milo D

I was watching this video while my Slovene partner was playing stardew valley next to me and they turned around SO FAST at the Slovene words. So thank you for that hilarious moment lol also amazing video!

linkplay.space

Very well put together. As a bi amab person I basically felt what you were talking about but it never really crossed my mind. Really a shame since like you said with the bandmate romance it had all the pieces there but the writing is just so flat all the way through, what a shame... I'd also love a video where you don't complain but talk about Baldurs gate 3 romancs options!

Conzeit

I dont play a lot of games with character creation, so this whole thing was a look into a world I dont really know LOL. I am a slender introverted guy, the "powerful" stereotype has always seem very unrelatable to me, only when they tone it down to a Neo or a Solid Snake it works for me, They are SO OFF about men not identifying with women as well. The one time I did use one was with Dark Souls, I created a badass grandma just because that seemed like an interesting character to be in that world

Mykey

Yeah the gay bar in cyberpunk was so disappointing. 😭 I also feel like the way Fingers is depicted is kinda homophobic and there are a few other queer coded perverted villains in side quests as well.

Verity Ritchie

I have made badass grandmas in games before too, haha!

Verity Ritchie

🤣 Prosim! The whole time while writing both scripts we were trying to think of ways to say "naughty" words without getting in trouble with Youtube or Patreon, and we were just like...no one knows slovene words, we can get away with that!

Verity Ritchie

Ada: I saw that video! And I definitely thought the examples were a bit selective because Cyberpunk has its fair share of Sad Video Game Clubs as well, including the gay one haha Also agreed, Night City is very compelling!

Verity Ritchie

🤣 it's spelled "muca" in slovene, "c" is pronounced like "ts" I've seen that book at the bookstore, but I haven't checked it out yet...

Lizzy Harley

"Complaining is how I emote" you didn't need to call me out like that 😂 Something I've thought about a lot with regard to Cyberpunk 2077 is the perspective that CD Projekt Red bring to a critique of capitalism, as a company that literally started life behind the Iron Curtain. NoClip did a great interview with the founder where he talked about how growing up in Warsaw at that time was all grey, with brief snippets of colour in the form of Western capitalism, such as video games. Obviously CD Projekt is much bigger than one guy these days, but it does make me wonder. Fantastic video! Sorry for the rambly comment 😅

Ruxandra Grecu

it does mean 'cat' though, doesn't it? cause we have a word for cat that is 'mâță'. I might have assumed a lot, lol my scifi book club ate that shit up immediately (The Book of Elsewhere), I quite liked it myself! the 3 Mieville books I've read so far have a lot of casual queerness and mentions of non-monogamy in their worlds. They never delve too much into those elements, but the protagonist in the book of Elsewhere, an immortal dude, is very bisexual on page :P

Verity Ritchie

Oh interesting, I'll look into that! Yeah it means cat! It's like pussy cat really, but obviously it is also used in the naughty way too!

Verity Ritchie

Oh that's really interesting! Sounds like someone who is pretty into capitalism lol!

Breadmouth

I do not mind listening to you complain. But I do wanna say that someone composing a massive video essay on something they passionately enjoy is as enthralling as an equally passionate critique. At least in my eyes? I know the algos disagree.

Lee Sabo

I went into the game with no knowledge about the controversy about the "Mix It Up" art, but I played V as a trans woman and had an uncomfortable time trying to experience Night City from that perspective. At first, I thought it was cheeky that, while I had to go to specialized surgeons to change my cybernetic implants, I could remove my character's penis (or add it back on) by interacting with a bathroom mirror, implying that body transitioning had the same negligible financial and social impact as a haircut. That did not pan out in the rest of the game. I only found out that Claire was trans from watching this video. Since I hated driving the cars in-game and Claire's side missions were all street races, I skipped them entirely. The only trans woman I encountered in the game - and I'm assuming that's what they were supposed to be - was a brief scripted moment in a night club dressing room, I believe after one of the braindance sequences in the Mox night club (I tried to find a clip online, but it's a 10 second piece of background dialogue in a 120 hour game). There is a stripper or dancer who is complaining about her costume or something, and she uses a female name, but her body is a muscular masculine body and her voice is clearly a man doing a drag voice. She is presented as shallow and prissy and it felt like outdated transphobic crossdressing humor from 30 years ago. Add that to the shallow sexual imagery, the ridiculous depiction of gay people in the red light district, and the way the game treats you like a straight man (it feels, unsurprisingly, like a science fiction version of The Witcher games), and I was left with the uncanny feeling that I was being humored by immature men who find queerness inherently silly.

The Mad Jay Woman

Again getting added amusement that Ada is a Patreon exclusive I just imagine it like those special edition DVDs back in the day - “exclusive RAW and UNCENSORED special features”

Verity Ritchie

Ada: Yeah, Claire's coming out is really easy to miss. I finished my first playthrough without her racing missions even triggering! (And then we had trouble finishing one of them because the car clipped through the floor and disappeared lmao.) Fingers of course is baked into the main mission. I didn't spot the dancer you mention but it does reaffirm their edgelord approach. It just sucks to be punched in the gut like that by the game and reminded over and over it wasn't made for you.

Verity Ritchie

well you see we only let Ada out of her cage every so often

Muireann McGlynn

I have about 600 hours in BG3 but I couldn't get through 10 hours of Cyberpunk. I'd actually really like to hear you talk about BG3 more in any capacity, it doesn't have to be complaining 😅

Verity Ritchie

omg I am obsessed with bg3, its become my life over the last few months! I've done 300 hours, but I feel like there's so much I haven't even touched yet. I haven't done an origin playthrough (except a brief honor play as Lae'zel which ended quickly lol) and I've only just started a Dark Urge! Hmmm...I will think about it and see if we think of anything to do on bg3. I am also tempted to just play it on a patreon livestream or something

Muireann McGlynn

I haven't done an origin playthrough yet either! I think it's game I imagine coming back to every few years. I've done an honour mode run and my partner basically carried me through the whole thing

MeYouIt

The scene where you can torture Fingers really stood out to me. He's a piece of shit, sure, but there are other characters just as bad, yet the game/narative doesnt treat them with the same violent disgust / vitreol. I was really put off by it. Also, Its really strange what happens if you decide to try and make the dolls and Moxys have an independant co-op in Judy's personal quest. The game just tells you it failed off-screen. Like the writers tell you "that would never work you stupid idiot", and give you no oppertunity to do anything about it. Its one of the most jarring cases of player agency being taken away that I've experienced. Great review!

Pink Concerto

Actually the plotline with Johnny is why I, a person with Dissociative Identity Disorder, never finished the game. It got too real. Sharing a body with not just one person but multiple other people is my reality and seeing Johnny and V interact with each other with such vitriol was honestly traumatizing. I keep coming back thinking to it, thinking about how a video game could handle a character with DID, and I think this would be the only way you could do it, unfortunately. Thinking about it from a trans perspective never even occurred to me.

Conzeit

this is really interesting to me, I think if we had a wider range of verbs available in AAA videogames it might be easier to correctly depcit DID, I do think if an indie dedicated their entire game to figuring this out they COULD come up with soemthing better. I have watched Encina, someone with DID speak about her condition (I found out about from the Medcircle YT channel interview) and it seems really tough to manage, although not without positives that you could take out of it. I can only recall Mr.Robot as something in media that seriously tried to depict what the condition is like, I feel like in fiction they try to make it out to be yet another way in which mental health issues are a signifier for evil genius/being a serial killer.

Pink Concerto

Yeah, typically DID finds its way into a horror movie (see Split) and the conceit of the disorder ends up becoming, "What if the worst thing in the world happened and you had to *share* a body and that person was...evil!" None of the positives of DID are ever talked about. Having alters has its issues, yes, but my alters have helped me in more ways than I can count. The idea that the plotline with Johnny can only end with the two of you fusing together is deeply upsetting considering most people with DID end up with functional multiplicity where you work together to make sure everyone's needs are met as best you can. I'm not a game developer but with more and more nihe experiences being explored in games, I wonder if it would be possible to have positive DID representation.

big bird

this is not the main focus of this video but thank you for consistently pointing out the weird slippery way that so much media deals with bisexuality. it makes me feel less insane every time someone points it out

Verity Ritchie

Ada: Agreed! I had to actually take a break after the Fingers scene because it felt so nasty and alienating, and the Clouds story line was just bleak.

Verity Ritchie

That's a very interesting perspective (that I'm sure the developers didn't consider)! And yeah, I think in every possible ending only one of them gets to keep the body.

Jack Philipson

Cyberpunk as a genre owes a lot to noir and hardboiled and other crime fiction. I think Cyberpunk 2077 overdosed on influence from one of the definitive bodies of crime media of our times: Grand Theft Auto. It has the crimes rampages in the middle of a city, and it also has the attempts at more introspective stories about stupid assholes who generally just make things worse, but it also has GTA's ever-present addiction to undercutting its own points by going too hard on the cool bombastic shit and crass vulgarity. This also really bleeds into the gameplay with Cyberpunk, the game gives you a lot of options but there's rarely ever a reason not to just go loud and complete a job by murdering everyone, which ends up making it more a lot more repetitive than it could have been.

Verity Ritchie

Ada: Yeah, that's a very good point about gameplay!

Jack Philipson

Pretty much all the negative things I have to say about the game come down to lack of cohesion. Most of the individual elements to me feel thoughtful and well executed but also a lot of them feel like they belong in completely different games to each other, so you've got all these morose well acted character stories inside a world where all the set dressing is deliberately tacky and irreverent, and full of levels that could accommodate a wide range of gameplay styles but all the skill trees lead to ultraviolence and the plot almost never changes as a result of choosing maximum use of force. Also the game has loads of cars with guns that you never need to use because missions almost never involve freeform vehicular combat. I appreciated a lot of individual moments in the game but it's a very, very strange overall package.

The Geco NextDoor

The same thing happens in fallout 4. Its whole thesis is about humanity and who is human and how should you treat humans verses non-humans. And there are so many people who could be considered human or non-human. Every faction has its stances. And they make it clear that you must also believe in that version of humanity - well not the railroad but that feels wrong - you choose what humanity you believe in with who you fight for. And the game talks about how people are treated by people who have power over them, and you’re supposed to believe that the people in power are terrible for abusing their power, but it stands in contrast to the fact that the brotherhood of steel is the poster child of Bethesda.

Fifi Mar

I have not played the game, but now that hypothetical scenario of what if I was propositioned by a person I was formerly obsessed with, but now they are a ghost possessing a body of a different gender, is going to haunt me.

Kurty B

I don't think this game is "terrible" by any means. Looking at it from a queer perspective I can see how one could yearn for more, but there are plenty of great things all throughout the game? Especially some interesting transhumanist ideas and questions about technology. And I don't think the game needs to be explicitly anti-capitalist and spell it out constantly to be so, capitalism and corporations affect literally everything story-wise. I really feel like this video completely missed the mark, I'm very disappointed.

Verity Ritchie

The point isn't really that capitalism *exists* in the game, it's about whether or not this game has anything coherent to *say* about capitalism. We used specific examples of it failing to make a coherent comment on capitalism in the video, as well as instances that were revelatory about the politics of the developers. I'm open to hearing a compelling argument for the game making a genuinely interesting comment on capitalism, if you have one. But it is essentially a commercial game commodifying the aesthetic of punk without adopting any of its ethos. I like driving the cars though! Vroom vroom!

Kurty B

I don’t think capitalism plays a major role in the game, but I do think it touches on the struggles of living and surviving in a hyper-capitalist world. But more importantly, I think it’s more of a backdrop for the major themes of the game, like the breakdown of the ego and finding your purpose in life. If you were looking for an in-depth and comprehensive critique of capitalism from the game then I think you’re looking in the wrong place. It didn’t need to do that nor should it have IMO.

Verity Ritchie

We weren't looking for an "in-depth and comprehensive critique of capitalism". I said it fails to make "a coherent comment". Its okay if you still enjoyed it despite that, but for me and Ada it was one of many things that made it all rather cringe. We enjoyed some parts of it too, but we didn't find it to be a particularly clever or progressive game.