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Getting Schooled - Communion 201 (Patreon)

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Do we actually think about what’s happening in communion?

Do we actually think about what’s happening in communion? Kaitlyn and Skye return to the practice of communion to go deeper into the debate on what’s truly happening with the bread and the cup—and did we replace them with worship music as a sacrament?

Understanding Four Views on the Lord’s Supper (Counterpoints: Church Life): https://a.co/d/50UjuAg 

The People of the Truth: The Power of the Worshipping Community in the Modern World by Robert E. Webber and Rodney Clapp: https://a.co/d/bIbPE0c

Early Christian Worship: A Basic Introduction to Ideas and Practice by Paul Bradshaw: https://a.co/d/4MnqcvJ

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Bill Clendineng

I grew up in the baptist tradition where communion was crackers and grape juice and a moment for reflection. Then I discovered the traditional Quaker understanding that does not involve outward elements. The Quaker understanding is that Jesus was referring to the Passover meal when he said "Do this in remembrance of Me." He was not commanding us to continue the Passover but to internalize the reality of the Passover. This means that we enter a time of worship and are receive the Christ into our spirit. Receiving communion is receiving the living Jesus. It is neither a memorial or a physical presence, but an inward reality. Early Quakers came to this understanding in reaction to a church culture filled with people who saw salvation as a completion of outward requirements without showing any signs of repentance.

David B.

I hold to the understanding of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, without defining it as transubstantiation, consubstantiation, or other specific doctrines; it may be one of those, or something beyond human comprehension.

Andrew Kirschenman

I would align with Divine Mystery as a view. I don't think we need to systematically deconstruct everythong down to the point of human understanding. The mention of the Greek influence on it would be a great Getting Schooled. How much of our Christianity comes from secular or pagan Greco Roman influence vs the Hebrew/Jewish traditions?

Joel Kidwell

I love Charles Wesley's poem about what we Methodists call "This Holy Mystery":1 O the depth of love divine, the unfathomable grace! Who shall say how bread and wine God into us conveys! How the bread his flesh imparts, how the wine transmits his blood, fills his faithful people’s hearts with all the life of God! 2 Let the wisest mortals show how we the grace receive; feeble elements bestow a power not theirs to give. Who explains the wondrous way, how through these the virtue came? These the virtue did convey, yet still remain the same.3 How can spirits heavenward rise, by earthly matter fed, drink herewith divine supplies and eat immortal bread? Ask the Father’s wisdom how: Christ who did the means ordain; angels round our altars bow to search it out, in vain. 4 Sure and real is the grace, the manner be unknown; only meet us in thy ways and perfect us in one. Let us taste the heavenly powers, Lord, we ask for nothing more. Thine to bless, ’tis only ours to wonder and adore.

Eric

According to Dr Ortlund, Baptist apologist, the traditional Baptist position was the Real Presence.

Joe Stephen McNair

It ain't just crackers and grape juice... we can participate leading to our own destruction... but what is going on... I got no clue. Mystery is a legitimate description... a mystery solved on the other side of eternity.

Aaron SirLemming

Now I want Communion 301! I would be interested in hearing a deep dive into how we got from what the Bible describes -- which is kind of vague, but sounds like an actual meal -- to the idea of a ceremony that happens within a church service where you get a tiny bit of bread and a sip of a beverage. There are of course vastly different opinions on whether that's the *only* situation where you can "do communion" or whether it could also be less formal. I'm wondering how we got there. I'd also be very interested to hear a deep dive into different interpretations of the whole "eating and drinking damnation to himself" passage.

Joy Diaz

I was surprised to not hear anything mentioned about the ancient Jewish context in which the last supper took place (Passover). A meal and tradition with a long established history long before Christ and that continues to this day. I would think that if we want to understand what Jesus did and meant, we would start there.

Bruce Gaylord
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A long time ago, I heard a Christian with a Jewish background explain that one of the pieces of unleavened bread used as part of the Passover Meal symbolized the coming Messiah to them, and when Jesus took the bread and broke it, and said 'this is my body', he was breaking the bread that symbolized the Messiah. This puts a whole new spin on all the current discussions. Unfortunately, this wonderful man has passed on and I could never understand it completely. I don't understand the Passover enough to explain it, but it makes a lot of sense to me. I've been wondering about this for a long time, and every time I've taken Communion. Has anyone else heard anything like this?

Toddias Maximus

Could Kaitlyn do an episode where she talks about all the doctrines that different traditions have established just out of spite?

Karen Callaway Gloyd

As someone who was part of a messianic Jewish congregation for 20 years, I can tell you that the Seder meal points to Christ in so many ways. It’s true, it was a Seder where Jesus introduced this tradition and honestly, I’m not sure if when He said “as often as you do, this“ meant every year at the Seder, or as a direction to get together and do this often. This was a great episode!

Diane Fischer
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Agreed! Every Christian should participate in a Seder meal at least once, it’s extremely meaningful. It really shows how communion is simply the completion on Passover. The disciples would have understood that in a way that modern Christians don’t.

Carlos Torres

Lovely episode, however I must point out that Skye is exactly wrong on his “10 songs forever” statement. Statistically speaking, most churches are crankin’ through songs. In and out in a couple years.

Beth Prather

From S Baptist .. do the Lords Supper everytime we got our Sunday School Books..lol To a special service ..my mom use to apt for the closed and not closed.. I've been there some. To the Christian Church since 2015 and following 3 more online in my state, we do it every Suday and even jn Covid they woukd tell u to come and get it. I didn't think or belive at the time I had to do it every week. BUT after a few years and mostly my church.. in my community, I've found a much, much deeper reason for it than before. To have that time to examine yourself and some weeks deeper and others not.. It has become something more important and I miss if I miss, now than before. It took prayer and listening and asking. Instead of my mom or others in my family saying my whole life doung it weekly takes away from it, I have found the opposite that the reason to do it weekly is scriptural I think and makes the service and our call deeper.