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Getting Schooled - Theodicy 101 (Patreon)

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Suffering—we’ve all experienced it (or will eventually!) and the natural question for a Christian is: How can a good God allow this?

Suffering—we’ve all experienced it (or will eventually!) and the natural question for a Christian is: How can a good God allow this? Kaitlyn takes us through the history of how this question has been approached throughout church history.

Resources:

God and the Problem of Evil: Five Views (Spectrum Multiview Book Series) by Chad Meister and James K. Dew Jr: https://a.co/d/9tEyMX0

The Problem of Pain by C. S. Lewis: https://a.co/d/3wiLUZK

A Quiet Mind to Suffer With: Mental Illness, Trauma, and the Death of Christ by John Andrew Bryant: https://a.co/d/edqRcop

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Chad De Kay

A 201 treatment of this topic would be very helpful even for those of us who have studied philosophy and Christian Theology in an academic setting. Part of me wishes for some Skye Doodles to illustrate some of the more classical treatments of theodicy. I find The conversation to be very useful and as always Kaitlyn lays things out so well. As someone who wants to teach these ideas well I wish for a good visual representation of these concepts. Thank you both. As a Chad, I also found Skye’s joke about the frat guy Chadmeister to be quite funny.

Erica H

Kaitlyn, you really should read The Lord of the Rings! There's so much theology and philosophy of the human story in Tolkien's universe.

Angela Manchester

201 idea: talk about why God doesn't stop suffering right now. I would be willing to cease my existence in order for all the suffering of the world to end. Why doesn't Jesus return NOW?

Angela Manchester

For the 201 episode, I would like to know why Jesus doesn't come back right now? It would end all suffering. He already became incarnate, died, and conquered sin. Why not now?

Greg Suiter

I’m a fan of all nerdy things… But if you had to explore one of them, it would be Tolkien!

Toddias Maximus

I know this might be like a para social fan thing that's not healthy. But for some reason it drives me up a wall that Kaitlyn hasn't read any Tolkien. 😂😂😂

Esther Luna

Kaitlyn, please read LOTR. The movies, in my view, serve as a beautiful gateway into the world Tolkien created but are not even close to enough.

Lindy Brown

I'm so grateful for this podcast coming just at the right time! I lead a junior high ministry group and they've been begging for a 'hot topic' night where I explain to them 'why God doesn't stop evil'. This, combined with some books I've been reading and Curious Kaitlyn episodes has given me a great foundation to prepare. I will disappoint them without a simple answer (because they are 12) but I can assure them it's a question that people have wrestled through forever, so join the club. I appreciate your willingness to both package the cookies and put them on a lower shelf...

Travis Jones

I would definitely recommend John Peckham’s book Theodicy of Love, he adds to the free will defense argument and brings in some really important elements to consider in this discussion such as the idea of a cosmic conflict.

Ryan O.

I can’t believe Kaitlyn still hasn’t seen LOTR 😂

M P

Definitely would love to listen to more on this topic. I appreciate Skye but felt like especially in this episode, he needed to let Kaitlyn talk more!

Thomas W Skaff

I would really love Kaitlyn and Skye to interact with David Bentley Hart's work on the problem of evil in his little book (written in the aftermath of the devastating 2004 Tsunami), The Doors of the Sea. And, because it takes some of the same arguments further, his book on universalism, That All Shall Be Saved. Also: please read Tolkien Kaitlyn!

Loc Ta

Kaitlyn is so sharp. To explain very complex concepts in simple terms and have scripture and 3rd party sources on demand and explain succinctly is high art. You don’t need Tolkien. Please people. I’m a big LOTR fan but no. Augustine > Tolkien. You got Skye for that

Lindsey Miller

This is such an important conversation and I love how it’s not just philosophical but also pastoral. A book that was super helpful to me was Philip Yancy’s Where is God When it Hurts.

Charity

The problem of evil is something I've wrestled with often. I've heard many philosophical explanations but they never quite satisfied me. I really appreciate Skye and Caitlin acknowledging this. It is comforting to read the Bible and see that people have been struggling with this for a long time.

Beth Prather

An atheist God has put in my path a few years always goes back to this . Always... My aunt suffered and died of cancer in pain and A good God wouldn't do that. Over and over all the horrible things that we can't comprehend either.. I'm sure it is the same for more. Prayjng

Beth Prather

I heard probably the closest pastor to Jesus live ever known and he read this in a way that hit me hard. I always hated the book of Job and I think being raised in S Baptist.. We did something with the 1st few chapters. JON Weece read that with the calmness and authority and awesome way only the Holy Spirt and prayer could cause this voice I will always remember exactly the way he read," Where were you Job when I created. ... ?? And all that beautiful out there language that when I'm confused or get asked a lot of in depth and why.I read it or the doxology. In Corinthians is great too. But I now here it, In a calm but true voice.

Beth Prather

What about satan and his friends the demons. To me very, real, spiritual evil comes from that force. It 8s in the Bible . Still.iVe been taught it isbthe since in the world but there is real deamon possessions in places like Haiti and in people. Like Hitler. As Christians Satan can not enter us. Because we believe he was defeated on the cross but he is still roaming and tempting us and absolutely is very tricky and doesn't want us to share Jesus with anyone. Still we don't know how all. It is here and not perfect. Really bad things have happened to many Christians and non Christians. We do end up running to God eventually if we know Him.so back to Romans. Also as far as believers.. don't forget Paul's thorn in his side.

Stephen Tack

I too was greatly impacted by C.S. Lewis' The Problem of Pain (along with Mere Christianity, and Miracles). It's been years since I last read it, and I didn't know there was controversy... I think I'll read it again. What should I watch out for?

Laura

Thanks very helpful. Another book I have found helpful is Suffering and the heart of God by Diane Langberg.