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Getting Schooled - Egalitarianism 101 (Patreon)

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Kaitlyn’s back to explain the egalitarian stance.

Kaitlyn’s back to explain the egalitarian stance. What BIble verses at first glance seem complementation, but may reveal, with context, a more egalitarian view? What else do people overlook in our desire to find a clear “role for women” in the church?

Discovering Biblical Equality: Biblical, Theological, Cultural, and Practical Perspectives by Ronald W. Pierce, Cynthia Long Westfall, and Christa L. McKirkland: https://a.co/d/bTqtG6m

Icons of Christ: A Biblical and Systematic Theology for Women’s Ordination by William G. Witt: https://a.co/d/9C53kJo

Paul and Gender: Reclaiming the Apostle’s Vision for Men and Women in Christ by Cynthia Long Westfall: https://a.co/d/dNtFT9z

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Kyle Adcox

I think the following. I believe that men misuse the following verses to justify committing atrocities like spousal abuse. 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, Colossians 3:18, 1 Timothy 2:8-15, and Titus 2:1-5. If I were married, I wouldn't want to be like O.J. Simpson or Ike Turner for all the wrong reasons. Your thoughts?

Kenneth S

I’ve waited for a discussion like this, and would like to cast my YES vote for a Q&A livestream or bonus episode. Also if anyone can point me to past episodes on the topic. Thank you!

Caleb Hardwick

I sympathize a lot with egalitarianism but find it difficult to fully buy into because it is so often packaged with other progressive theologies. At the same time, I see how damaging complentarianism so often is for women and the health of a church. Any advice for how to navigate this dichotomy?

Stuart Chase

A minor corrective here, Skye. At around the 18:00 mark you reason that Paul cannot be saying that women should never teach men because then he would be inconsistent with his own argument since Priscilla taught him the gospel. Priscilla and Aquila instructed Apollos more clearly in the gospel, not Paul. Neither Acts nor the rest of the New Testament portrays Priscilla teaching Paul the gospel. A minor point, I know, but it’s helpful to be accurate.

Robert Speers

I have seen an interpretation that 1 Corinthians 11 3-10 is actually Paul quoting the Corinthians themselves. Remember, they didn't use quotation marks then. In context, and with a giant 'however' right after this section, this makes sense.

Jane Martin

My favorite OT woman is Huldah.

Karen Watson
>>168356552

Thank you for acknowledging the harm complementarianism has done and continues to do. In a direct response to your first sentence, I have a problem buying into comp because it is often lumped in with sexism, misogyny, abuse, and patriarchy. I believe egalitarianism is the correct stance and interpretation but we can also call out what you refer to as more progressive ideas that don’t align with scripture. That doesn’t negate the equality of women

Phillip Hall

There needs to be a discussion of how men and women equally complement each other in the church. For example using the APEST model of ministry, they are equally important but generally speaking men are more likely to be Apostles and Prophets and women are more likely to be Shepards and Evangelist with both equally Teachers. This is just my observation and this descriptive not prescriptive.

Pat

Beautifully done. Thank you both!

Jonathan Cureton

A livestream on Gender Dynamics and the Bible would be fantastic! I look forward to it!

Eddie Smock

Near the start Kaitlin says that women wanting to rule over their husband's is not a particularly faithful translation. I've heard Mike Erie make the opposite argument. I know Skye and Mike like to argue and debate. I'd love to hear the arguments or at least an explanation on this.

Dav

Maybe I missed it but did they do a fuller breakdown of the 1 Timothy 2 passage, concerning the created order? I know they discussed the "saving through childbearing", but the whole "...for Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner" feels so hard to just say "cultural point in time"

Angie Giordano

I'm having trouble finding the the episode that Skye mentions that last time they discussed complementarianism. Can anyone here point me to where I would find that discussion? Thanks!

Laura Penzotti

Thank you for this, I found it very helpful.

Joe Stephen McNair

Sorry folks but I am sticking with 2000+ years of Christian history. This all started with the feminist movement and the desire to accommodate the Church to the current zeitgeist. Maybe you are right and I am wrong... but that ain't a given. There is safe, and there is sorry.

Erin T

There's a great book by Dr. Sarah Sumner called Men and Women in the Church. She sees a different interpretation of these scriptures, neither egalitarian nor complementarian. Her take on the interpretation of "headship" kinda rocked my whole understanding of what Paul might have been speaking about when he wrote those words. She suggests it's more about power and vulnerability than leadership and authority... If I'm remembering rightly! It's worth checking out.

Kenneth S
>>168396077

What did you make of the point that complementarianism as currently understood is not ancient either? (Just curious - no big dog in the race.)

Lynae Poulson

Thank you so much for this episode! I've been counting down the days since listening to the one on Complementarianism. You left us hanging! This episode answered a lot of questions I had and will help me in talking to others who've recently brought up this topic. Thank you!

Lynae Poulson
>>168358302

Thanks for sharing--so interesting! Makes so much sense once you know the cultural context.

Jennifer O'Connor

Soooo helpful! Thank you for having this conversation!

Caleb
>>168361748

Definitely check out the work by Lucy Peppiatt to dive deeper into this. She has a really good study of what she called Paul's rhetorical argument in 1 Corinthians. Look up Women and Worship at Corinth.

Kevin

Sorry this Is off topic, but I’m a new subscriber and I’m just wondering what’s the first line of the theme song? It sounds like “She’s got a tiny league diploma”??

Caleb

I really, really want to recommend Lucy Peppiatt's work on Paul's rhetorical arguments in 1 Corinthians. "Women and Worship in Corinth" and/or the more accessible "Unveiling Paul's Women". Also "Rediscovering Scripture's Vision for Women". I think her work is really valuable. She comes from the mutualist perspective and gives a way of reading 1 Corinthians which has really reframed Paul in this text for me. She argued that, at three points, Paul is actually quoting the Corinthians' previous letter at length (that's where the "because of the angels" comes from) and then Paul is refuting their perspective. That's why he seems to make 180 turns at those points. I highly recommend these.

Caleb
>>168460304

I believe it's just "tiny diploma" but the end of "tiny" is held longer. "She's got a tinyyyyyyyyy diploma"

Bruce Gaylord

Nicely done. I like it when you all agree with me

Jess

Chesterton’s fence is so relevant today.

Margie Mallow

Excellent post. Yes, a Q and A would be great. Thank you gor your graciousness

Lori Speece

It would be amazing to have these two episodes, maybe edited into one, available to the wider public on the flagship podcast! Or just released in full, as y'all sometimes do. Thank you all (hosts, producers, and tech) for a pair of great episodes :)

Margie Mallow

This was so helpful for me. I’ve been steeped in a patriarchal, complimentarian model for 50 years. I’m learning more and more about Biblical history. Thank you!

Alberto Negròn

I've always thought that "usurp" was a very specific word.

MichEal Rafter

I was thinking too of the loss in a community if a gifted woman does not get to use gift. And have to wonder what harm could there be if she does get to use gift? I do think wise to carefully consider the longevity of something to be wise and discerning. But, I thought of slavery existing for most of history, but don’t think we would say that must mean there is some value in it … so there’s that perspective to consider.

Joanna Vass
>>168401364

Thank you for recommending Sumner's book. I've just looked at a review, and now I'm eager to read it!

Katie Harding

Is it somehow possible to get a transcript of this?