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Getting Schooled - Christian Realism 101 (Patreon)

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Kaitlyn’s here to talk about the political influence of Christian Realism—especially as opposed to the Social Gospel and Anabaptism.

Kaitlyn’s here to talk about the political influence of Christian Realism—especially as opposed to the Social Gospel and Anabaptism. This happens to be Kaitlyn’s current area of study, so take notes!

Resources:

Moral Man and Immoral Society: A Study of Ethics and Politics by Reinhold Niebuhr: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0664235395?ref_=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_MCKNCM7CXKC2VA4HCJ9A_1&bestFormat=true

The Children of Light and the Children of Darkness: A Vindication of Democracy and a Critique of Its Traditional Defense by Reinhold Niebuhr: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0226584003?ref_=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_77E3NCK03PMM83QJWF5D&bestFormat=true

Reinhold Niebuhr and Christian Realism by Robin W. Lovin: https://a.co/d/gqluqVn

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Jon Beltz

Amazing, as always! Best of luck with your exams, Kaitlyn! It's a big hurdle, but then you get to write your dissertation! (Which I found to be a lot more fun...)

Jenn Powell

Thank you for this because the idea that Jesus is in control (so it doesn’t matter what happens) never rang 100% true to me. Thank you explaining more deeply what compromise and humbleness means to us and our community.

Adam Shields

I have read Neibuhr in seminary and while I am attracted to parts of him, I have largely dismissed the christian realism as a mode of thinking because what we can and can't compromise on often seems to be mistaken from my position. I left my last church in part because of issues around this. I think christian realism gets reduced to pragmatism for the purpose of evangelism and that ends up making the church look like it is willing to compromise to gain followers instead of holding to principles. I think Obama is a good example. His going to Notre Dame was an attempt at this type of realism, "where can we find things to work together on to reduce abortion". But he was met with absolutism that rejected working together. About the book recommendations. My library system doesn't seem to have access the Lovin book (I can get it through interlibrary loan, but it seems to be out of print. Has Kaitlyn read Lovin's other book Reinhold Niebuhr by Robin W. Lovin? Is it worth reading?

MichEal Rafter

This reminds me of the 4 primary schools of thought in Jesus’ day, which I have heard Mike Erre highlight often… Pharisees, Sadducees, Zealots and Essenes. They each had different opinions on how to respond to Rome and the culture of their day. I have often heard, mainly from Mike, that Jesus rejected all of the common ways of interacting with society and the ruling government. Jesus gave a new vision for humanity, and so I’m trying to learn and lean into this from sermon on the mount. And use discernment from today, since we in America do find ourselves in a unique time period and system of government. The book Upside Down Kingdom by Donald B Kraybill brings to light much of what I’ve heard from Mike Erre and what I’ve been reading and learning.

Aeli Olson

As someone who finished their PhD in the last year, I'm so thankful that Kaitlyn gets to 'double dip' and discuss exam study material as the getting schooled topic! It is also fun for holy posters to know more about her dissertation topic. Good luck studying!!

Carlos Torres

Just real quick, he act of try to convince someone of something is not in itself an assertion that they “don’t really believe the things they believe.” Just a massive conflation.

Carlos Torres

“I can cut any corners and harm anyone I need to to accomplish my goals because they’re the good, right goals.” A notion that exists on… both sides… in equal measure… and severity… surely…

Carlos Torres
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“If power shifted to the left you can see it working *just the same way*” For example?

Caroline Johnson

Would love to hear Kaitlyn go deep into Marx (who I adore and think is generally correct in his outlook on how the world works). A lot of what you’re getting at here makes me think “Marx would say…!”

Amanda Olsen

This was great!! Thank you for this episode. However, I've attended an Anabaptist church for the last 5 years of my life and I've NEVER seen a more socially or politically active church congregation. It's in the DNA of this church. They did mention that some Anabaptist churches pull out of social and political engagement. It would good to find out what the balance is, i.e. what most Anabaptist churches do and how large the differing subgroups are. What you represented is the DEAD opposite of my Anabaptist experience, and they back their involvement with Anabaptist theology/thinking.

Natalie Sparkman

I LOVE this!! ❤️ so informative and interesting and helpful! ❤️❤️❤️

Phil Fung
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I think a lot of the modern and post-modern philosophers had some insight into the problems of modernity/capitalism/etc. They just had very few tools for solutions, so you get some pretty pessimistic folks like Foucault and others.