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Getting Schooled by Kaitlyn Schiess: The Harrowing of Hell 101 (Patreon)

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We're back with a new episode of Getting Schooled by Kaitlyn Schiess. This episode: What is the "Harrowing of Hell"? This episode is also a

We're back with a new episode of Getting Schooled by Kaitlyn Schiess. This episode: What is the "Harrowing of Hell"?

This episode is also available to watch on YouTube. This link is unlisted and exclusive for Patreon supporters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNH6CWWTfLk

Further resources:

"He Descended to the Dead: An Evangelical Theology of Holy Saturday" by Matthew Y. Emerson - https://amzn.to/3Kjqg4o

"The Crucifixion: Understanding the Death of Jesus Christ" by Fleming Rutledge - https://amzn.to/3QEiJ2h

"Forsaken: The Trinity and the Cross, and Why It Matters" by Thomas McCall - https://amzn.to/3cno66W


Harrowing pictures from Kaitlyn's trip to Italy (attached to this post):

Fresco: from the 1440s, in the Convent of San Marco, Florence, Italy

San Marco: from the outside of the Basilica San Marco in Venice, an 11th century church

Winchester Psalter: a depiction of the whale or the behemoth, 12th century

Dionisius: by a Russian painter, somewhere between 1495 and 1502

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Beth Prather

Everytime someone says ," Abraham Bossom," or I read it in the Bible, I get a weird photo image.. lol

Heather C

This was fascinating! Thank you so much

Gregory Waite

So if I question the Hellish Idea, of Hell am I joining ACDC on the Highway to Hell? Even C.S. Lewis questioned and doubted the Eternal Burning Tormenting Fires of Hell

Shawn A Likley

If people have been deceived and kept blind by; spiritual darkness and that of the world, the poor witness of believers and they die in their sin, who's to blame? Since Jesus' is beyond time and his salvivic work was once for all, was the harrowing of hades performed once for all as well? Or has hades been getting full again after Holy Saturday? It would be terrible to be the first person to enter hades Easter morning. First century believing Jew dies minutes after the harrowing: "Where is everyone?" Demons: "Jesus just left. He has the keys so he'll be back. In the meantime you're stuck with us..." Inconceivable! As a sinner saved by God's grace and mercy, the only difference between me and those that currently deny Christ is he touched my eyes so I could see him. Period. It was a gift. No amount of preaching, policy or human power can really do that. Since all it takes to know Jesus is for him to touch us then all he has to do is touch everyone. If he chooses to save anyone he could save everyone if he chooses. If God is for us who can stand against him? What would prevent him from doing it? He cleaned out hades and picked up Adam and Eve why not any other image bearer? Is free will really free when a person is making a choice under duress and deception? Would that make the deceiver more powerful than the Love, Truth and Light of God...? Is that a worse heresy than the absolute Victory of Jesus? Hell: I would like to hear more about it from your scholarship. Note: The fire that consumes the sacrifice on the altar is the same fire that burnt up Aaron's son's. God's purifying love perhaps? God is love and a consuming fire. Glad to hear that the belief in a Christ Centered universal salvation is Orthodox. Bring on some thoughtful scholars and keep talking about it! Thank you for your scholarship!

Vicki

Great episode, I love these segments! Believing that Christ gave an opportunity to those in Hades to believe in him wouldn't necessarily be universalism. My understanding of Christian universalism is that it is the belief that everyone will eventually accept Christ and be saved. If, for example, he revealed himself to those who had never heard of him or the God of Israel and they had a choice to accept or reject him but many rejected him, it wouldn't be universalism. I've often wondered about the passage in Romans 1 where it talks about man being without excuse because of the revelation of nature. Yet the way I was taught, even if they did worship the creator to the best of their knowledge based on that revelation, they were still condemned because they didn't know about Christ. This seems inconsistent with God's justice. I know I am not God and I am not the ultimate authority on justice, but I want to believe that God will make a way for those who didnt have the opportunity to know. In regards to the duality of the soul, the way I've always been taught was very much like Plato's cave analogy where the soul is the reality and the body is the shadow and a hindrance. The soul is set free by death, making resurrection pretty much irrelevant. The way the continuance of the spirit after death is depicted in the Bible seems very different. The old testament especially depicts the existence in Hades as the shadowy part with the hope of wholeness in the resurrection. That is why I think our understanding of the soul has been influenced by Greek philosophy. This come into play especially in the eternal conscious torment idea of hell. It assumes that the soul is by nature eternal and cannot be destroyed even by God. That assumption underlies how many passages about Gehenna/Hades/Lake of fire are interpreted and why many people rule out annihilation. If you take away that assumption, the eternal conscious torment argument is pretty shaky. In fact, Jesus said in Matthew 10:28 don't be afraid of those who can destroy the body but be afraid of God who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna.

Kristen Usher

I have been asking questions about this line in the apostles creed since I was a freshman in high school and this is the most robust discussion I have heard yet. Thank you!

Michael Meyerdirk

I'm always so grateful for the "permission" to step outside of my narrow tradition of heritage and into a more full orthodox understanding of my own faith. Thanks, y'all.

Israel Macario

Interesting conversation. Growing up baptist we were taught that Jesus descended to hell. His Spirit went to declare victory.

Pam Baker

Great lesson! In thinking about hell and heaven, I’d be interested in your take on NT Wright’s book “Surprised by Hope - Rethinking Heaven, the Resurrection and the Mission of the Church”. Do you think it’s a stretch for some evangelicals?

Kendra Andrus

What about the quick and stupefying verse in Matthew 27:52 about dead people coming out of their tombs after the crucifixion?! More specifically after Jesus breathed his last. If that is accurate and not just the stuff of legends, would that not pertain to this discussion theologically? Those people just walked around and talked to people though, so I'm not sure they were raised to some sort of heaven afterlife but rather just given another shot at earthly life? Strange stuff. It also could be argued that it contributes to a more universalist theology because they were raised immediately after Christ's death, and not on Saturday after Jesus supposedly went to the Land of the Dead and preached to everyone. It happened before Sunday when Jesus himself resurrected so that would also point to the death on the cross being more important or more consequential than the resurrection... 🤷🏻‍♀️ Also, I spent my earliest years in mainline denominations of protestantism and this was a very obvious concept to me and I have always understood what that line in the apostles Creed refers to. Anyone here grow up on Steve Green songs? "He Holds the Keys" is all about this idea of the harrowing of hell and how Jesus went down to hell and set the captives free. I bet it's just Evangelical churches that do not recite the Apostles Creed that would be the places where people are ignorant of this theological concept and belief.