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Liberation Theology 101 | Getting Schooled by Kaitlyn Schiess (Patreon)

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*Updated to include YouTube link below* Liberation theology has come up on the Holy Post in the past, and it’s time to dive in a little fu

*Updated to include YouTube link below*


Liberation theology has come up on the Holy Post in the past, and it’s time to dive in a little further. Here’s Getting Schooled by Kaitlyn Schiess: Liberation Theology 101!


This episode is also available to watch on YouTube, exclusive for Patreon supporters: https://youtu.be/yWbicvJ-KL4

Resources for further reading:

The Great Reversal: Reconciling Evangelism and Social Concern by David Moberg - https://amzn.to/3jCHH6r

Christian Mission in the Modern World by John Stott and Christopher J. H. Wright - https://amzn.to/3GADvNM

The Lausanne Covenant - https://lausanne.org/content/covenant/lausanne-covenant

A Theology of Liberation: History, Politics, and Salvation by Gustavo Gutierrez - https://amzn.to/3i7D4RJ

The Cross and the Lynching Tree by James H. Cone - https://amzn.to/3X1cvfM

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Mary Masthe1st

It may be helpful to clarify the critic about black women’s rejection to redemptive suffering. I agree with Jesus’s teaching to take up our cross and follow Him but my understanding of His teaching was in relation to our faith- not our race or gender. The segment on womanist theology appeared to include the suffering of black women as a type of cross. As a black woman I have been told to take abuse & exploitation on the chin by pastors and others alike. It nearly cost me my marriage and my faith. While I found the video really educational, I came away sad because the last segment brought up a fair amount of painful memories. I do not believe Skye or Kaitlyn mean it the way it sounded. So it will be helpful to clarify it at some point. xx

Jessica Fox

I was thinking along the lines of Susan and Mary. I'm not black, so I can't speak from that perspective. And I haven't read womanist theology that I'm aware of, so I don't know the lengths that perspective can go to on redemptive suffering (and how that relates to Jesus and the cross as you bring back up towards the end of the recording). But I have been fed the idea of redemptive suffering as the purpose and meaning, I as a Christian woman, should take away from abuse, specifically from my ex husband within our marriage. I clearly did not ultimately buy into that view since he's an ex now, but it did cause me significant anguish and kept me and my kids in a dangerous harmful situation longer than we needed to be. I'm very grateful for the Christian perspectives I did find that I really wrestled with to feel like the Bible really did allow me to divorce on the grounds that I was made in God's image and that treating me abusively was a fundamental rejection of that idea that broke the marriage vows/covenant. And it seemed like a much less represented view than it should be among Christians vs the idea that marriage is a place of redemptive suffering, which includes mistreatment by your spouse, small and large, even when it is intentional and frequent to gain control over you and there is a denial of it and no actual change. To see that as not a valid reason for a divorce, but as an area one should submit and grow through the opportunity of suffering feels ludicrous and so out of line with the gospel to me. I know that this is not the main emphasis of this recording, but I do hesitate a lot when redemptive suffering is talked about next to abuse and mistreatment as it is that kind of comment which can solidify the idea that someone has to stay in an abusive relationship of whatever nature. I think it at least allows for, if not promotes, the idea that abuse is a way God sends us the opportunity for redemptive suffering and that we need to accept that then with open arms and not do anything to escape it or act in keeping with the inherent dignity and worth God created us with. I think God can and does use suffering from abuse or whatever cause to make us more like him and deepen our experience and understanding of Him, but I do not think that in anyway means that a person cannot or should not stand up against injustice or speak truth in a situation out of deference to "redemptive suffering" as a greater good or higher calling than truth or justice or protecting a person's worth and dignity against abuse. I think it is ok to push back against suffering the same way we don't tell someone who is very sick to just suffer because it's redemptive or has a purpose. Instead we encourage living out our faith and seeing God in every circumstance and being content, but while seeking a solution. I think most Christians would think a person was crazy if they were very ill, severely injured, or had a disease affecting their quality of life if they didn't ALSO seek a doctor's treatment and relief of the suffering and freedom from the disease or injury causing the suffering. You can suffer gracefully while still rejecting the cause and fighting against it. We weren't made to suffer. It's counter to God's desire for us, so much so, that he is able to use suffering for our good and not only our destruction. But I think to then embrace or praise or seek out or tell someone to endure suffering without taking reasonable steps for a solution/relief/end to the suffering completely misunderstands God's plan for us. I think we ought to always call out injustice and lies, especially when they're being used to deny or denigrate the worth and dignity of a person. In reality, fighting back against injustice like abuse, probably will open the door to experience more suffering, but at least it will then be in relation to standing up to truth instead of playing doormat to lies, like submitting to abuse whether it's intimate/domestic abuse founded on a misguided understanding of gender or hierarchy or self importance or racially and gender based or for any other reason. I did really enjoy this podcast a great deal and appreciate the broader perspective and description of liberation theology, it's history, key points, and resources to learn more! Thanks!

Samuel Blair

I thought this was a great episode. In seminary Liberation Theology figured pretty prominently among the courses but it wasn't one that I took.

Stephen

No YouTube link?

Tanya Torp

This was incredible.

Susan Richardson

Upon hearing your critique of womanist theology and the objection to redemptive suffering, I was all set to shoot off a sentence, something to the effect of, "Yes, but the fact that black women are saying this is enough to make us reconsider and search out if we non-womanists are blind to." But then Kaitlyn circled back later in the podcast to essentially point out this very thing, the value of charity and curiosity in encountering ideas opposed to our entrenched viewpoints. Hats off to you for your proleptic instincts!