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Tithing 101 | Getting Schooled by Kaitlyn Schiess (Patreon)

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2023-03-15 10:00:04
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This episode is also available to watch on YouTube, exclusive for Patreon supporters: https://youtu.be/g-9a0GCRNakSuggested Resources: Pas

This episode is also available to watch on YouTube, exclusive for Patreon supporters: https://youtu.be/g-9a0GCRNak

Suggested Resources:

Passing the Plate: Why American Christians Don't Give Away More Money by Christian Smith and Michael Emerson - https://amzn.to/3lhDbM4

On Social Justice by St. Basil - https://amzn.to/3FnsTka

Practices of Love: Spiritual Disciplines for the Life of the World by Kyle David Bennett - https://amzn.to/3Z2TUk9


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Steve

Something I've always been curious about: What was the Old Testament teaching regarding non-agrarian tithing? I assume that Israel had artisans and merchants who didn't farm, but most, if not all the commandments reference grain, livestock, etc. Was it as simple as merchants also had to give 10% of their earned income?

Deanna Adjodha
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There is not one Old Testament scripture, that I've found, that instructs people to tithe anything other than plants (food grown in fields, on trees, etc.) and animals (herds and flocks). Leviticus chapter 27 gives the rules for redeeming the tithe. If someone wanted to redeem the tithe of plants, he had to pay the priest an amount that was 20% higher than the value of the plants. And redeeming the tithe of herds and flocks wasn't allowed at all. That indicates to me that the Old Testament tithe was specifically about plants and animals, and not a blanket command for everyone to give 10% of their income. If the tithe was supposed to be 10% of income, period (no matter what form of income), then why not let the tithe of plants be redeemed at market value? Why not allow the redemption of the tithe of flocks and herds, if cash is just as good?

Deanna Adjodha

I've attended churches where a condition of membership is tithing directly to that local church. So what happens when someone with very low income says, "If I tithe then I won't have enough money left for food and rent." Does the church say, " Sorry, but if you can't commit to tithing then you can't be a full member. The benefits of membership are reserved for people who can afford the club dues."?

Pam Baker

I was years ago told by a pastor that the reason he asked the congregation to give the first 10% to the local church is that he knew of several members who were giving their tithe to tv preachers, but attending the local church. That made sense to me. It’s a lot easier to hold the local church accountable than a tv preacher.

Kristina Steedman

Last year I listened to a sermon from Tim Mackie and he had a much more nuanced view. He said many people in his church should be giving much more than ten percent, but that there were also those who couldn't even give five percent. Pooling money to meet the needs of the poor doesn't just mean the church should donate to charity. Poor people also attend church. I myself grew up in poverty and saw my parents struggle to balance paying the bills with tithing. Most of the sermons I've heard lean toward a prosperity teaching about tithing. The churches I've attended assert that it must be a minimum of ten percent and to the local church.

Sarah Rahkola

Just heard the theme song for the first time...UGH. I'm sorry Kaitlyn. LOL

Lord Sunshine

So…while I believe in special case giving beyond it, I generally always stop at tithe because it feels like a free fall between there and giving away every single last cent. While I'm sure it's always been true, it feels like especially nowadays, the demand on our money is infinite. Thanks to the internet, small orphanages in Africa can reach me if I look (They do reach my dad). If I gave to everyone who asked me, I would have no money. Some family members think that's good. My grandmother especially seems to view money as intrinsically evil and resents her own reliance on it to function. I just don't know where to stop on the sliding scale of "give nothing" to "you should sell everything you have and should never have any toys or games or vacations, every penny you spend on anything other than survival is evil". So I stop on tithe.

Patrick Garmoe

I get that angst @Lord Sunshine. On the whole I feel like the Christian life is a constant tension between what we want and what's logical and what God wants. And I think how you answer the question of how much to give can change with seasons in your life and maturity in Christ. Being a good Christian may or may not mean giving everything or even most of what you have away, depending on what God calls you personally to do. I really like the concept of considering all we have as stewards, not really money that's ours. That helps me view what I have in my bank account as something I can easily give away, because it isn't really mine. That concept came from Kaitlyn in a previous episode at some point quoting St. Basil, which I assume came from the book of his she recommended. I will say, some of the best money I've ever been proud to spend has gone to missionaries that initially I really didn't want to start supporting because that money really adds up over time. But in hindsight, I wouldn't have it any other way. I also sometimes get through my day job where at times I feel like what I do is pointless, by feeling real satisfaction that chunks of what I earn are going to Christians living the gospel.