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Getting Schooled - Rapture Fiction 101 (Patreon)

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From Thief in the Night to the Left Behind series, Kaitlyn has been reading and watching all the rapture fiction she could find so we don't

From Thief in the Night to the Left Behind series, Kaitlyn has been reading and watching all the rapture fiction she could find so we don't have to. Don't miss her conversation with Skye about everything she's learned. You can also watch on Youtube here - https://youtu.be/Of-Un7vTogQ


Recommended Resources:

Surprised by Hope by NT Wright

https://amzn.to/46I051T


Writing the Rapture: Prophecy Fiction in Evangelical America by Crawford Gribben

https://amzn.to/3rqBjmT


The Millennial Maze: Sorting Out Evangelical Options by Stanley Grenz

https://amzn.to/3ObPyVF

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Emily Hall

I loved this so much!! Thank you for putting this episode together. It's super interesting to look at what and how fiction influences theology and vice versa. Is there a list of the rapture fiction novels Kaitlyn mentioned? I remember Left Behind. There was something about Titan...I may have to go back and listen again.

David B.
>>112742478

Attack on Titan? (Probably not. I suddenly imagine giant cannibals the size of buildings all vanishing in a beam of light, confusing everyone.)

Jill Masters

I'll never forget when I first became a Christian the Left Behind books just came out. I had a Christian friend who wanted to read them for a secular book club. I decided to look at reviews before making a decision. ALOT of them said,"I am so glad to read these...now I know what is going to happen". I was floored! We didn't read them for book club!

Pam Faggart

There are many in my church who are recommending Sound of Freedom. Checking out reviews and synopsis it sounds like this film fits into the formula/genre that Katelyn described. Has anyone else seen it and what are your thoughts?

Timothy MacDougall

I never really interacted with these books and movies. I can confidently say at this point in my life that I don't believe in the rapture. In earlier years I don't think I knew what to think of it. But even then the idea of a pre-trib rapture never made much sense to me, given how much the new testament and Revelation talked about standing firm through tribulation. One thing I'm struggling to understand though: do these stories take place after the Christians have been raptured? In that case, what is the value of these stories to the Christian? Are those 'left behind' presented as having any hope? I've never read or watched them, so what is actually the point of the stories?

Julia Ruggieri

Wow!! For me, this has been the most fun, yet scariest Getting Schooled episode. I keep thinking about Qanan addicted and conspiracy addicted folks. Kirk Cameron and others need to do more than just say “oops. My bad!” I was talking to one of my best friends who emigrated from Romania soon after the wall fell. Like now, the Iron Curtain countries were swamped with disinfo originating from the USSR. While I was laughing at the QAnon folks camping out in Peavy Plaza, awaiting the return of JFK Jr and/or JFK, my friend was horrified. She saw immediately that QAnon was an disinfo campaign as it looked very similar to other campaigns and “protests” in Eastern Europe. Sadly, since the invasion began in Ukraine, my friend has noted that her middle class friends and family, who have remained in Romania, have been swamped with persistent, but escalating disinfo. Their disinfo is dumped out on Telegram, WhatsApp, FB, IG, and some Twitter. Putin is desperate to destroy NATO and the EU. He wants the former satellite countries to turn back to mother Russia. At first, the disinfo landing here in 2/22 was that Zelensky and his team were Nazis. In Romanian, Georgian, Hungarian, etc, the message pumped out was that Zelensky and his team were all LGBTQ and “groomers”. (My friend said that Europeans would never buy the Nazi moniker but were more sucked in by the groomer label)

Julia Ruggieri
>>112809973

After the first few weeks, when Russia didn’t take Kiev, the disinfo changed to what my friend calls “meta terrorism”. It starts out always with “Americans are so weak we(Russia) can get Americans to believe…”. March 2022 it was “teachers are groomers” April 2022 it has been trans people are pedos and coming for your kids. That message has been blasting for a year. Starting in Aug 2022, an additional message was Americans are so weak…we can get them to believe that women should be submissive and not be allowed to vote”. Starting a few weeks ago, a new message has begun circulating that Americans are so weak …they’ll abandon their evil “Constitution” and adopt the true European order of “bloodlines” or “blood and soil”. As part of that, women will be viewed for their breeding potential. Adoption is considered bad. Vasectomies on white males should not be performed and wait for it “Trump has royal blood”. It’s swamping over in Eastern Europe. I’ve seen whispers of it here on Twitter the last 2 weeks. From my friends contacts, we seem to get a 2 week lead time on what the next culture war outrage will be. Oh joy…

Aaron SirLemming
>>112794769

It's been a while, but from what I remember, these stories mostly deal with the subset of rapture theology that says people who weren't Christians when the rapture happened will basically have a "last chance" to become believers during the tribulation. It's how many people handled that very tension you're describing, of how you can both have Christians raptured AND going through the tribulation. (Basically trying a little too hard to make perfect logical sense out of a handful of verses in Revelation.)

Len Kinzel

Thanxamillion for this episode. Kaitlyn, thanks especially to you for doing the heavy lifting for it. I luv the way you think, and articulate your thoughts. I am 59 and have been in vocational ministry for 35 years, and am more open and grateful than ever to be taught by a woman 😜 (I have been drinking deeply from Nijay Guptah). I am re-reading Scot McKnight’s “Revelation For The Rest Of Us” and just ordered a hard copy of the Crawford Gribben book you referenced

Bethany Riker

I was in middle school when the Left Behind books became popular. I was too old for the kid version so I became engrossed in the adult ones. My dad pointed out that a pre-trib rapture idea was faulty and that he didn’t think Christians were exempt from suffering, but didn’t address the other parts of the theology in the books. I was also in middle school/early high school when the Columbine, Paducah, and other significant school shootings occurred and Cassie Bernal and Rachel Scott were held up as heroes for standing up for their faith. “Jesus Freaks,” sponsored by VOM and DCTalk was also growing popular with the stories of past and modern day martyrs. The combined influence of those 3 cultural phenomenons convinced me that I was going to be martyred before 18 and I had very little interest in having life goals after high school because I wasn’t going to be alive. Even my dreams were full of grand martyrdom experiences and terror. Add in the fears of Taliban invasion post 9/11, and I was very surprised to hit my 18th birthday and have to make a plan for my life. It would be interesting to trace how the Christian fictional phenomena and cultural events shaped millennials like me growing up during that time because I’m sure there are others who share my experiences.

Abby Westlund

Has anyone seen all the end times prediction stuff on TikTok? It seems very similar to this. I have a friend who is getting really into it and keeps sending me things and I'm not sure what to say to her

Bruce Gaylord

Great episode. I'm old enough to remember a lot of the hysteria from the 1970s. I read the Late Great Planet Earth in 1974 before I became a Christian. I remember thinking could there be something to all this God stuff? I was a freshman in college at the time. I came to Christ shortly after that and a few months later went through some of the book and looked up the passages. Even though my Bible knowledge was almost nothing, I remember thinking this makes no sense. At first I bought into the whole rapture thing because everyone else did, and I figured they knew more than me, but eventually realized that what we can know is Jesus is really coming back and we'll know it when it happens and a lot of bad stuff may happen first. After that your guess is as good as mine.

Shannon

I’m so glad I signed up for Holy Post+. Really enjoy Christian Asks and Getting Schooled. I grew up in the 70s/80s, and the people in my church were very much into James Dobson, Bill Gothard, the Moral Majority, Phyllis Schlafly, and the evils of ERA, etc. All that to say, I’ve always thought the church would be raptured. 😳 Much of what I Iearned instilled a lot of fear and disbelief in me. It’s amazing how we be can so easily swayed as children… and adults. I’ll be researching differing views. Thanks so much to all of you for the hard work over the years! Y’all do a great job!

Sandra Perry

I am also a child of the 70's and 80's. So many lock-ins with A Thief in the Night and the sequel. I remember reading Revelation for myself the first time and wondering why there was no mention of guillotines. LOL I devoured the Left Behind books and all the Peretti books. I really didn't read them as "real" but good Christian alternatives to secular thrillers/horror books. To be completely honest, I was an adult and a parent before I realized there was a different view of eschatology than Dispensationalism.

José D. Pinell

Y’all, I think this episode was so good and important that I’d highly recommend to be released in the regular podcast. It is such an important conversation!

Alison Rhodes

I really appreciate this episode and all conversations around this topic. I grew up in churches and a family that had a dispensational viewpoint. I also studied Daniel and Revelation through the Kay Arthur, Precept upon Precept Bible study series and we learned about all this stuff in detail, studying scripture verse by verse, to the point that it was obvious to me that this viewpoint was a trustworthy interpretation of scripture. Now that I am hearing so much debunking all that, I would love for the Holy Post to offer some conversations about what Revelation and Daniel do mean. There have been lots of conversations suggesting premillenial dispensationalism is hogwash, but no explanation of how else to interpret these very detailed scriptures.

Jessica Koneful

This is so good! As someone who grew up on Frank Peretti, a thief in the night, left behind and all of the associated things, I am really revisiting and challenging myself to think differently (Biblically!) I wish I could get my parents to listen to this I now am finding that weekly I am having to tell my friends not to base their theology on fiction. I also am realizing that because I was exposed to this thinking at a very young age I grew up with so much fear. It's such a relief to regain a hopeful and biblical eschatological view!

Carol
>>114173585

Yes yes yes!! Growing up in the 60’s and 70’s I am now left wondering how to interpret this part of Scripture! I also would love to hear a discussion of this for those of us shaped by those books and movies!

Jana Concha

I’m adding my yes vote to the bandwagon of Kaitlyn doing a longer study on this topic! I have gone through a period of reconstruction of my faith and don’t believe in this stuff anymore but so many of my fellow church members and family do. Help!!

Beth Prather

I'm quilty I read them all and they were hard to put down.. They did have scripture reference and 2 Bible studies deep also went on the same belief as well as pre tribulation. But the books were fiction. And they were really hard to put down. So 8n guilty

Beth Prather

I disagree because maybe some of them put all that together. I HONESTLY doubt many of the Trump pushers and conspiracy theorist read the books. They were a bit deep and harder to read. Sadly I don't see. Conspiracy theorist that don't believe men walked on the moon or whatever.. Trump people and Fox people... I'm concerned but it really shows that they are more uneducated.. or close.. idk

Beth Prather

I love listening to you both, but I would love to hear what you believe?? End times stuff? Is there a post

Beth Prather

If you aren't left behind.m In the rapture., you aren't concerned with all the stuff going on in the tribulation.. 😀

Beth Prather

A lot of people in my area still believe this.