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Getting Schooled - Trinity and Gender 101 (Patreon)

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2023-07-26 10:00:06
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Kaitlyn and Skye are back to teach us all about the Trinity. They answer questions like: Does God have a gender? Does the Son submit to the

Kaitlyn and Skye are back to teach us all about the Trinity. They answer questions like: Does God have a gender? Does the Son submit to the Father? Is the Holy Spirit feminine? You can also watch this episode on Youtube (exclusive for Holy Post Plus subscribers) here - https://youtu.be/ZClcWlVncPU

Recommended Resources:

Delighting in the Trinity by Michael Reeves - https://amzn.to/476OU2O

The Son Who Learned Obedience by Glenn Butner - https://amzn.to/472lRO5

Powers and Submissions by Sarah Coakley - https://amzn.to/3Os4GOI

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Aaron SirLemming

This is a lot to think about. I was completely unaware of any social media drama about "eternal subordination" and I don't think I ever would described it that way myself. But I do think I carry some of that idea, in the sense that I have often used the Father and the Son as an example of how submission does not necessarily mean inequality. I still think that is the case, but maybe should pick a different example. The idea of Jesus' human will submitting to, essentially, his own divine will is fascinating, and in some way makes more sense. I'll have to contemplate that.

Leilani Hart

This discussion is so important. This is where the Dominionists go off the rails, the NAR movement, and the insinuation of false theology into a political power grab. Wow.

Mike and Karmel Pope

Help! Where/how is the interaction with pundants that they talk about?

Shannon Kay

I loved this conversation!

Len Kinzel

I continue to drink deeply from the HP, and continue to learn volumes through the hosts and guests. I dunno if they ever check in here, but I wanna pass along a high-five and knuckle-bump just in case. Specifically in this case, I wanna encourage Kiatlyn. God continues to use her and Amy Peeler to pry my eyes open to a variety of things (I've been in vocational ministry for 35 years, served overseas for 30, and was a Lead Pastor for 20). I would luv a cuppa coffee with either or both of them, especially since hearing Kaitlyn's reaction (in this episode) to the thought of women as nurturer. I'm on a 10-year deep dive into Genesis 1-3, and I don't wanna minimize nor overblow the intentionality of "zachar and unekevah" (male and female of Genesis 1:27 and beyond). I can't shake the thought of there being something intentionally unique about the female as nurturer in God's design and desire. Plus, I would luv to kick around possible implications of the two words that appear in the NT for "will," especially in light of how many times you mentioned the word in today's Patreon clip. I am a bookaholic and a learnaholic, looking for my latest "fix"

Friend

Thank you for such great content week after week

Ernie Leaf

This really is quite an interesting and important subject. While I was unaware of the blogosphere wars mentioned in the podcast, the ideas have definitely infiltrated into my thinking over the past decade or so. Unfortunately I felt Skye’s treatment of the “eternal subjugation” argument very uncharitable, as he quickly resorted to caricatures, calling the view heretical, and assigning evil motives to those holding that view. Not helpful for folks like me who naturally (and culturally) lean more egalitarian, but are not convinced from scripture. For example, it seems quite reasonable that a triune God has one unified will with three “expressions” of that will. That said, there’s only so far a podcast can dive into a topic, and I appreciate HP scratching the surface of this topic and offering resources for further study.

Hannah Deaton

When discussing the holy spirit being "feminine," I thought that was a theory because the Hebrew word is feminine and not masculine. Obviously that doesn't mean it is female, but it is interesting that the word had to have some form of gender and it is a feminine word rather than masculine. That in combination with Jesus saying you must be "born again by the spirit" is what always made me think the holy spirit as being more feminine...since only women can give birth. I also found it empowering that at least one person of the trinity has more female language and attributes, but is that not a good way to think about it?

Hannah Voncarl
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I was wondering about this for similar reasons! Because I thought that we associated the HS with God’s OT tabernacle feminine shekinah glory.

Harkening Deer

Another amazing convo on some incredibly important topics! Thank you both for this. I would like to bring up again (I made a similar comment on the Amy Peeler convo) that, imho, the Spirit not getting the recognition she/he/they/it deserves in the Church is not necessarily a good reason to not ascribe Feminine descriptors to her/him/them/it. In fact, it could well serve as an appropriate reminder that we’ve denied the Feminine Characteristics of God & the viability of Female Leaders in the Church for far too long.. imho.. perhaps making it all the more appropriate to describe the Spirit in Feminine terms.. Anyway, love the thoughtful, insightful content put out consistently by the HP. Much Love. 🙏🥰