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Better Call Saul 5x2 | Watch Along (Patreon)

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2025-02-11 16:01:01
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Better Call Saul 5x2 | Watch Along

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Christophe

There's an interesting thing happening right around this time to most people who watch this show, whether you realize it or not; y'all are slowly coming around to Chuck's view of Jimmy xD how insincere he sounds when he says "never again", how hollow his apologies sound, how much he is relying on ends-justiying-means logic for his actions. It's all stuff Chuck told us about. I'm not denying Chuck's own role in shaping Jimmy into the Saul we start to see here and Jimmy definitely was somewhat more sincere in the early seasons than he is now. But part of it is also just all of us watching Saul's/Jimmy's same shtick for 5 seasons, like Maple said "they've been having this argument for 5 seasons". And that's obviously what Chuck went through in his adolescence and early adulthood with his younger brother. Seeing him being the way he is over and over again, until you just can't believe his apologies and vows to do better anymore. It's why I'm always somewhat of a Chuck defender in the early seasons—even if Chuck's paranoia and obsession with Jimmy really do escalate to "epic proportions", as Kim called it. And even if Chuck really is a condescending prick most of the time. It still does make sense why he sees Jimmy the way he sees him. It's a testament to the writing of this show (and also to Odenkirk's and McKean's performances) how much we're still rooting for Jimmy and hating on Chuck in the early seasons, even though we all know what Jimmy turns into eventually in Breaking Bad, that he doesn't repent or actually become a good, moral lawyer. But we still have this innate feeling to want to defend him early on because we haven't seen him being Saul or Slippin' Jimmy for season after season after season yet.

Joel Davis

Yeah Chuck wasn't incorrect about Jimmy, he just decided to react in the worst possible ways. Both in words and actions.

Pyt

I mean Chuck knew Jimmy for Jimmy's entire life, there was a reason why he instantly knew that Jimmy was behind the Mesa Verde files being tampered with. There is a reason why he wanted HHM to handle Sandpiper, he knew Jimmy was doing it all for the wrong reasons. Like he said Slipping Jimmy is a Chimp with a Machine gun. Yet, there was a part of Chuck that still loved and was proud of his brother, the cold open of s4e10 shows how much he still loved Jimmy by vouching for him and spending the night with him even after he wanted to leave, even though he couldn't really trust him.

Joshua Luzania

I know Kim probably should just find some rich stable guy, but she wants the thrill. She wants to feel alive. The biggest smiles she has is when she pulls off a great deal or pulls some crazy stunt or con. Cozying down in some monotonous life will just suck the soul out of her.

Pyt

I dont even know if Kim wants the thrill, I think she just loves Jimmy and doesn't know what to do.

Joshua Luzania

of course that too, but I was sort of generalizing everything up to now as to why she always stuck around Jimmy.

MarisoL

"You think an elevator just happens to stop like that? NO he orchestrated! JIMMY!"

Kara

doesn't matter how right you are if you're an indignant asshole about it

Yup Puy

Sexy daddy gus both ordered Tomas to be murdered and Nacho's father to be murdered if Nacho doesn't do what he wants

james repka

Maple is on the right track Re: Krazy-8 (Domingo). But it was his cousin Emilio who was arrested in the DEA bust in S1E1. Domingo was not busted at the time. That episode takes place several years later in the timeline. What we know from the Breaking Bad pilot episode is that Hank and Steve find K-8's car by the abandoned cook site, Hank notes at some point (it might be in the pilot, but maybe episode 2) that Krazy-8 is a DEA informant (who probably was the one who gave Hank the address of Emilio and Jesse's cook site leading to the bust. I don't know if that is related to Domingo being arrested here (presumably they just kidnapped/hired Saul to be his attorney). Because I can't imagine Saul making a deal that would lead to his client ending up a DEA CI, especially since he'd be informing on the guys who hired Saul in the first place -- Lalo and/or Nacho.

james repka

There is an ambiguity to the Chuck-Jimmy relationship. Chuck isn't completely right about Jimmy, he tells Kim that Jimmy pocketed the entire $14K that was missing when we know from Jimmy and his flashbacks that Jimmy's father was a terrible businessman who literally handed out wads of cash to any grifter with a hard luck story. Jimmy did take some as well, but Chuck decided that Jimmy was solely responsible for the business going under. We also know that Chuck was kind of an introvert who dreamed of being surrounded by friends but was put off by Jimmy's ability to light up a room when he entered. Chuck considered that as a form of conning people as well, since Jimmy wasn't nearly as deserving of his parent's love or of the laughter of strangers as Chuck was with his intellectual accomplishments. Jimmy was if not solely responsible for the failures in Chuck's life, his presense highlighted those failures and brought them out in sharp relief. Again, not suggesting that Jimmy would have ended up a morally upstanding person were it not for Chuck's abuse of their relationship, but that Chuck's need to make the Jimmy in his head the definitive version of Jimmy for everyone else is what destroyed him. Chuck had to be RIGHT, absolutely, and I guess you can judge him to have won that battle in the end, fat lot of good it did him. It just occurred to my while writing this -- Chuck is Ebeneezer Scrooge except the ghosts never came along. In the purest sense of capitalism, he is right about everything, keep costs low and profits high, don't be charitable because it reduces profits, poor people are poor because they aren't as dedicated or as smart or as hard-working as he is. That's Chuck McGill.

Zane Platt

Yeah, no. Like you said, Chuck is a HUGE reason why Jimmy went down this path. If I tell you that you are accident prone and then deliberately leave a banana peel at the top of the staircase for you to trip over, you then slipping down those stairs isn't you being accident prone. That is basically what Chuck did to Jimmy. Jimmy tried so damn hard to do things a better way. What actually lead him back to being slippin jimmy and later Saul was most often Chuck himself. Chuck's sickness put financial pressure on Jimmy which is one of the big reasons he felt the need scam again, Chuck screwing him over at HHM destroyed his self-confidence and made a future as a lawyer more difficult, Chuck belittling him constantly and positioning him as a no-hope fuck up made it so Jimmy believed that about himself and so on. At the end of the day, Chuck was actually a worse person than Jimmy because of the why behind their actions. We literally see in flashbacks that Chuck was pretty much always a piece of shit and a lot of it was just plain jealousy and had very little do with Jimmy being a scammer. We see Chuck lie about their mothers final words, Chuck hog the spotlight while singing with Jimmy while Jimmy happily cheered him on, we see Jimmy genuinely work incredibly hard to be a lawyer only for Chuck to screw him over and then lie for years. If Chuck wasn't a monster for 90% of his time with Jimmy, there is every chance Jimmy would have turned out really well. Chuck deserves absolutely zero credit or sympathy when it comes to being 'right' because he was the guy that ensured he was right.

Christophe

@Zane, I can see that but I think it's also kind of bold to claim Jimmy is solely the way he is because of Chuck. That analogy about the banana skin doesn't quite work imo because Jimmy is still his own person and makes his own choices. Even if Chuck was a parent figure to Jimmy, you can't just blame all of the behaviour of a child on the parent. In general, I'm also not defending Chuck's actions so much as that I simply sympathize somewhat with his view of Jimmy; the way he acted out his insecurities and actively manipulated and sabotaged him was indefensible, but you can still see why he felt the way he felt.