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BATTLESTAR GALACTICA | Deadlock | Season 4 Ep 16 | Get Frakked

Ellen going straight back to the version of her that we know best... Thank you all for being here with us on these watch throughs and thank you for always being a supportive and wonderful community!

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Nolan

As one who watched Season 4 as it aired, there are a couple things I'll say for clarity: 1) I think this is my least favorite episode of the series. The characters are written in this episode by the dictates of the plot. Usually you can glean how character motivation is shaping things, but here, the decisions are arbitrary to force drama. Why has Ellen backslid? Why does Tyrol want to suddenly leave? Why aren't the Cylons still worried about Cavil and staying with the fleet? All for tension to get rid of the pregnant Six storyline. And that's not even getting into Giaus's story. 2) As one who watched "The Plan" with that year gap after the finale, which is very much the finale, while "The Plan" is not, it's not a rewarding experience that way, IMO 3) Daybreak, while listed as three parts, aired as two, with the first one aired a week ahead of the second two. I do hope you'll still watch the extended cut of the finale, and will just split it up by pausing at the relevant timestamps. Little hinky, but probably the best experience. Though you would have to inform us of the timestamp we're gonna press play on.

Troy Convers

And now you see why any respectable Sci-Fi fan looks at BSG S4 with a big helping of side eye. The writers are trying to cram in about 2-3 seasons of great ideas into basically half a season and it just feels rushed and messy. The idea of Galactica coming apart at the seems could easily have been turned into about six episodes on its own, ditto the squabbles among the Cylons, Ellen's relationship with Tigh, Boomer & Tyrol, Gaius' journey into actually having a conscience, I could go on. And that's without mentioning what's coming up.....

Mike Connaghan

LOW! ER! DECKS! I swear i did not specifically remember that phrase was in here. Maybe it was in my programming.

John

The Cylon models you have been introduced to at this point in the series: Cylon Models 1. Cavil 2. Leoben 3. D'Anna 4. Simon 5. Aaron Doral 6. Six 7. Daniel - mentioned only 8. Sharon/Boomer Final Five Saul Tigh Ellen Tigh Samuel Anders Tory Foster Galen Tyrol

Firefly24601

Paula don't take no shit! Whether she's watching BSG, or she's IN BSG! 😆

David T

I agree with Nolan (earlier) on several points. First, this is one of the most awkward and cringe episodes of the whole series—I always grit my teeth through it, if I watch it at all. Galen wanting to leave the ship? Not convincing, and way too sudden. Ellen, having been revealed as a sensible creator and scientist in the previous episode, and then reverting immediately to the bitchy character she was previously? Ugh. So unlikely and so hurtful. The whole Caprica Six pregnancy sub-plot being erased instantly…and existing primarily to illustrate that Cylons CAN procreate if there is love? Awkwardly done. Second, what I DID like about this episode…the shot where Anders’ brain activity suddenly goes wild on the monitor and you realize there may be hope; the scene where Galen is looking in the prison cell where Boomer is being held—what is he thinking? And the scene where Laura and Bill watch the Cylons adding emotional photos to the memory wall and realizing that the ship is ALREADY blended—and as you say, that’s not a bad thing. Third, I agree that the final episode, Daybreak, can be watched any way you want—it was originally aired in two parts but Amazon has it in three parts. Either is fine. The point is, the finale is masterfully done, isn’t subdivided into two OR three, and has a wonderful sense of closure, so it feels satisfactory as the final word. The extended cut of the two or three part finale is highly recommended, just keep us informed of the sync to us at home. Lastly, “The Plan” is full of wonderful plot details and surprising explanations—BUT it’s all regarding things in past episodes. Timeline-wise, it only explores answers up to the final two episodes of Season 2 where Galen realizes that “Brother Cavill” is a Cylon. This is why it feels better if seen before the finale, regardless of the original broadcast order. The Plan was conceived and directed by Edward J. Olmos himself, in order to satisfy BSG fans who wanted more detailed explanations of certain things in the miniseries and in the first two seasons. Those things are definitely worth learning about, including a more detailed account of the initial attack on the Caprican colonies and the Cylons’ initial “plan” to destroy the humans. It’s not that The Plan isn’t worth watching…it certainly is—but as Nolan said, it just doesn’t feel as rewarding when seen after the finale. That said, it’s better to watch it SOMETIME rather than leave it off entirely. When you see it, you’ll understand why it’s a great explanation episode but not an addendum to the finale. Be warned—The Plan is hard to find online or Amazon, so you might need to include more visual/audio sync points than you usually do. And finally, as much as I’m always put off by this last episode (Deadlock), the next one is one of my absolute favorites, and then it’s a nonstop roller coaster from there.