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Star Trek: Voyager | S3 Ep 6 | Remember | Get Delta'd! (Patreon)

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Star Trek: Voyager | S3 Ep 6 | Remember | Get Delta'd!

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Comments

fcast17

Happy Star Trek Day!

Jonas

This can be a pretty good show.

Richard Finch

Yes, this episode was filmed 30 years ago, and the Holocaust was 50 years before that, and still…

Jack Mingle

A tale old as mankind sadly.

Locoturbo

Ms. Dawson hitting another grand slam. Maybe not my favorite type of story but I appreciate the quality more each time I see this one.

Jack Mingle

I love the talk between B'Elanna and Janeway in her ready room after B'Elanna confronted the Enarans. I strongly side with Janeway, it isn't their position to change their society so long after the fact, and that actively doing so may cause even worse fallout that you can not prepare for what comes next. Classic case of an Us versus Them story and Allport's Scale of Prejudice and Discrimination. Part of why I consider large portion of Voyager to be such a outstanding show, it is bold to go and tackle these topics without just bashing one over the head with a moral message.

Ben Chan

While I wouldn't use the word "bashing," this was far from subtle - as many Trek episodes take a strong moral stance. I don't see a difference between this and what New Trek gets hate for doing. (other than the subject matter being a lot more triggering for some these days)

Jack Mingle

It boils down to quality of writing, I'm a writer and most newer films and TV focus more on being vehicles for a moral message, where as older films and Star Trek especially work within a totally different framework partially tied with Self Determination Theory, which allows for moral stories that aren't plagued by the potential "preachiness" modern writing tends to go towards. The viewers aren't berated about why the Enarans are super evil. We experience it alongside B'Elanna and we are allowed enough freedom and competence to decide rightfully so that the Enarans were wrong. Another debate that rises from this Episode is that even though the Enarans were wrong, so was B'Elanna in believing it was her duty to change these people, potentially upend an entire society leading to who knows how many deaths in ensuing violence/protests against the governing bodies. I like to remember the Doctor's speech from Zygon Inversion "When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die." It also highlights the dangers of "othering" groups of people you disagree with, which I think is the most important takeaway. The more you "other" a group of people, the more you can dehumanize them, the easier it becomes to commit violence/genocide against that group of people. Bad writing like I mentioned, where it was more "bashing over the head" still existed, but usually ended up forgotten vs say LOTR or other great examples of "mythic storytelling" like many Star Trek episodes throughout the decades. I know I may catch some flak, but lately it seems more like writers are chasing more after brownie points than actually giving people a solid story to connect and argue over, and turning it into some kind of exclusive club.

xeve

I remember seeing this thinking they were rehashing a Troy gets violated episode and happy the turn was more of an Inner Light type plot device of sharing memories while showing how easily one can be pulled into a bad place. It ended up being a much better episode than where I thought it was going.

Ben Chan

The hate modern Trek gets does not boil down to the quality of writing - you really think that's what's getting people up in arms? (it might be used as an excuse, but that has not been the prevailing sentiment of haters) This episode makes zero bones about the fact that the Enarrans did a genocide and it was horrible. Everything you said about the episode was exactly what the episode told you -- B'elanna even made a speech, as many episodes of TNG and TOS did. Roddenberry had an agenda and a worldview and he was not subtle. It's what he and Trek have been praised for. Your dismissal of new Trek by questioning their sincerity (chasing brownie points -- from whom?) is a standard political tactic when one has no real counterpoint. (what even gives you the feeling they're being insincere? You didn't explain that in your analysis of the writing) and your term of them being in some "exclusive club" -- did that come from the writing or was that your personal reaction to feeling left out? (what "club" are you even talking about?) That's the crux of this discourse -- your (and fandom's in general) emotional reaction. The rest is rationalization reverse-engineered to sound justified and even at times righteous. I suggest exploring that feeling rather than analyzing the writing. The thing that new Trek does is what Roddenberry knew would happen - if you actually address real issues, people will flip the fuck out. That's why the show hid the messaging behind sci-fi allegory, as thinly-veiled as it was. It's what I said parenthetically that you chose not to address - that it's the subject matter that rankles because once people feel like they're not in charge of the message, then they're no longer preaching, or even in the choir - they feel like they're being preached *to.* It's fine to be political when you feel ownership of the message and it's Picard or Kirk are giving impassioned speeches about morality. (and no, they weren't leaving it up to the audience to decide - they took definitive stances on issues) Using white men in b/w (or w/b) face paint to talk about race is one thing, but have a POC talk about race then people who are used to the mainstream expressing their views rather than those of the marginalized will push back, but it's not about the quality of writing.

Jack Mingle

For me, it's mostly always about quality of writing, and how a story is presented based on that writing. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about me.

Troy Convers

Ever notice how Roxann Dawson seems to always have to play two different characters when she gets a focus episode? 'Faces' and 'Dreadnought' had her doing the same thing. She does fantastic work, but I felt like the writing fell apart in too many places. Chakotay not picking up on the psychic aliens possibly being responsible for sexy dream time until halfway through the episode was sloppy. I also didn't buy the way Dream B'Elanna goes from lovey-dovey to Murder Nazi in basically a 90 second conversation with Senator Kelly.