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POV Weslin

For the remaining hours, I keep watching the event and come to the realization of what the Ruler of Humility likely wanted to show us. Most of the assholes on the screen are out of their depth. They are slow, they do not handle pain that well, and they are unused to their bodies being so weak. Though as time goes on, everyone keeps improving as they adapt. After all, all of them are Hell difficulty and Beyonders, so it would be lame if they did not adjust.

Everyone starts to use mana more effectively, and their bodies move with more force as they find ways to pull greater strength from it. Some even gather enough mana to use more damaging imitations of skills despite lacking their active ones. There are fireballs, a few manage to float for a moment, some form barriers, and others crackle with lightning. Always in small amounts, since mana becomes an increasingly valuable resource.

People loot the houses, finding rusty common grade weapons at best, many of them damaged or broken.

I watch strong A rank I recognize lose to someone who is usually far weaker, simply because that person adapted more quickly. But I rarely see anyone give up. Everyone there is a crazy motherfucker, and I feel the mood on the balcony shift the longer it continues.

People wish they were still inside so they could see how far they might push these weak bodies and how much of their skill they could bring out.

And I see fear settling in.

There are people everyone realizes are monsters. Capable of ridiculous feats even with such low resources. And out of all of it, it annoys me as well that I am not there to compete with them, because I know I could. But even this might be part of the lesson. I was not humble enough and died by underestimating the woman with the metal shard, too excited to clash with Morwag as if we were equals.

Meanwhile, Nathaniel is one of these monsters. Everyone who watches him knows he has not used mana at all, except for extremely short bursts to dodge lethal attacks. Otherwise, he keeps gathering all that tiny amount of mana from his five stat points into the faint halo above his head. He moves like a machine, showing no hesitation in running away when needed and often luring people into traps.

And when it comes to it, he faces multiple opponents at once. He fights dirty, he fights smart, and if needed, he offers his body to take a wound in exchange for getting a hit in.

And despite all of that, he keeps moving. Bloodied, exhausted, wounded, but still fighting. He kills multiple S rank candidates who are rumored to possibly reach proper S rank in a few years.

He even kills both Brich and Kaari. Brich falls for his trap and gets buried under a building that was already falling apart. Kaari dies after throwing broken spears at him until she runs out, and once he reaches her, he faces her in a brutal clash where he nearly lets her kill him just to deliver the finishing blow. All while wearing an expression that chills even me.

Watching that, Morwag, whose heart I can almost feel pounding with hunger for a fight, stands up and leaves. He cannot keep watching without participating, and I worry these two will clash one day in a way that ends with only one of them walking away.

Then there is that young assassin. Out of everyone here, she is the deadliest. Not a single person slows her down. She seems to have sharp, almost animal instincts and moves through traps, hides, tracks people, and when needed, fights several opponents at once, slipping away without a single wound. Her talent for this style of combat is clear, and I doubt there is anyone who can watch her without feeling at least a trace of fear. I hear people compare her to Lyraen, who is feared in a similar way.

Then there is that black haired, green eyed man who joined Crimson Forge not that long ago. Nothing about him is very eye catching, but he is simply good at everything, and his use of his body reaches a level where his speed almost matches the assassin’s. He is able to exert what seems like near the maximum possible strength from his stats, thanks to improving faster than most of the people inside.

He faces one of the S ranks, the mana oriented Quintan, and wins even though Quintan burns through all his mana trying to take him down.

And there are a few more. A man who floats atop buildings and moves from rooftop to rooftop while throwing things down at people. Another who relies on fire attacks. Another who uses a movement technique to spike his speed. Another who oscillates mana along his body.

While watching them, I keep looking for Nathaniel’s sister, but there is no sign of her inside this event.

The area starts to shrink after a notification, we can see just like the people inside, and the clashes turn even deadlier.

I shift my attention to Nathaniel again, just as he staggers back with a dagger stabbed into his side, but his opponent screams, both eyes poked out by Nathaniel’s fingers, which drip with blood. He did not even use mana here.

Nathaniel leaves the dagger in his wound, takes a stone from his pocket, and throws it to the side of his opponent. The man turns toward the sound, and as he shifts his weight, Nathaniel steps in, grabs him from behind, and strangles him until the man disappears from the event.

Nathaniel then stands and moves through the street onto a square where all the remaining people begin to converge. In total, twenty of them.

A group of seven who have been moving together for the past hour are closest to Nathaniel and rush to attack him and get rid of him quickly before facing others. Several of them even raise their mana a little, though they are clearly saving it and have been doing so for a while.

Nathaniel looks at them with the same calm, unbothered expression.

Then the halo that has hovered above his head for nearly five hours begins to spin in a sharp, frantic blur, and a moment later it collapses with a heavy thump into a single orb. A tiny one, barely the size of half a fingernail.

Blood gushes from Nathaniel’s eyes, ears, mouth, and nose all at once, drawing quick chuckles from the people almost close enough to reach him, but even then, they put their guard up.

Nathaniel drags his hand across his face, only smearing the blood further, then combs his hair back from his forehead to reveal his eyes, eerie and endlessly confident. The orb over his head pulses and turns pitch black, then, in the same blink, expands into a black halo. This one is much thinner, like a string of black mana, barely thicker than several strands of hair woven together.

The mana around the people near him flickers, then fades. They slow down and come to a stop. I can almost see it, the mana they had gathered slipping out of their bodies while Nathaniel reaches toward the halo, pulling thin streams of mana from it.

A dozen or so mana projectiles shoot from him, obliterating the entire group in an instant.

Nathaniel’s body sways, yet he still steps forward as more projectiles rise around him.

The black haired, green eyed man faces him as orange light flickers across the metal rod he holds, forming the shape of a sword. They clash several times, but Nathaniel uses all that stolen mana for body strengthening and comes out on top by simply overwhelming him and stealing his mana. It is not pretty, but it does not need to be. Just overwhelming force, used without care for efficiency. But all of it earned only thanks to the remarkable talent in the hands of someone who understands how to wield it.

In the end, only the assassin woman remains, and the two of them face each other in the middle of the broken fountain, water up to their ankles.

The black string of mana dissolves, and all that mana floods into Nathaniel’s body, while the girl becomes even faster. I am almost stunned as I realize she has not been using mana to boost her speed until now. As I watch her, it becomes clear she is not skilled at shaping mana, and that everything so far came from pure physical talent. Yet over the past five hours, she has adapted, trained, grown, and now she draws on mana to push her speed even further.

With each passing second, their speed climbs higher, and their movements start to blur. Every moment lets them learn, improve, adjust, and grow.

Nathaniel staggers back with a slash across his neck, and the woman’s finger flies into the air, cut clean by oscillating mana spread across the broken dagger he holds.

They rush in together and collide, the shallow water beneath their feet splashing with every step. It churns aggressively under Nathaniel with his bursts of speed, and more calmly under the smooth movements of the young woman.

The fight continues until Nathaniel falls back one final time with a shard of metal lodged in his neck and blood pouring out. I expect any expression other than the one he shows, yet he looks happy and satisfied, almost as if he predicted this ending and feels proud of what he achieved. There is no hint of disappointment or shaken confidence, and his pride shines even brighter than before.

Smiling at her, he says something, more blood spilling from his neck.

The woman facing him nods, and a bit of mana gathers on the tip of her finger as she draws a symbol into the air.

(^‿^)

Then Nathaniel disappears, and the event ends.

***

POV Nathaniel

My most valuable reward from the event is the simple fact that it took me only five hours and a little mana to convert it into black mana. More than anything, it proves that even though some people around me are absolute monsters, I am not doing so badly either.

These few short hours revealed my mastery over mana even without system given skills, all shown through my understanding and control. All these days, weeks, and months of constant Mana Cycling and my determination to avoid upgrading or relying on my skills have paid off.

I value this more than any other reward.

But there are some other rewards as well. For example, almost immediately after popping out of the event, a few of my skills level up.

[Mana Manipulation - lvl 74 > Mana Manipulation - lvl 75]

[Manifestation - lvl 21 > Manifestation - lvl 22]

[Accumulation - lvl 44 > Accumulation - lvl 45]

With this, two out of three requirements to successfully complete the quest for the title of Absolute Candidate given by the system are done. Even sooner than I expected. The last one remains, to hold out for ten seconds against a Champion grade being.

My other reward for the event is one of the ten named residences here in Megacity, meaning Tacita likely got a low pristine item. But from what I have seen, I am sure she gained something else and likely values it more than that item.

Tacita has always relied on the Dexterity of her body and her wild instincts to move. But now, left with no choice, she relied on mana a little. Over these five hours, she instinctively grasped the way to use it to increase her speed even though she had never done it before, likely only using mana for her field or for her weapons.

I do not think she will ever invest stats into Mana. She feels like a single stat enjoyer, same as me and Jean. But I think she will now look deeper into the stats she already has and search for ways to increase her speed even further if needed. It is a terrifying thought.

Even now, I still consider her the most dangerous opponent one could face if they are humanoid and not building sized. That is why I knew the event was fucked, and clearly rigged the moment I saw Dexterity listed as the highest stat.

No matter what anyone says, the thought of fleeing from her always lingers in my mind, while it never rises when I think of Lyraen, Morwag, or Weslin. Even Nyssa might have been preferable if it ever came to that.

Maybe it is a sign of my humility, something the Ruler might have wanted to show to me and everyone else, a reminder of how we used to be and how some people rely too much on the system to shape their skills.

However, I have no problem running away like a little bitch when I need to, and returning only when it suits me. I am just twisted like that.

But now, with the Humility event out of the way, it is time to go into the final stretch. The 3rd tournament is almost here.

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Comments

Jacobi

I have waited for this.. TFTC

frankie doerr

Well let’s see Nat was nerfed hella hard fighting tacita but even if he 1v1 her now I find it difficult for him to kill her he might win the fight but he can’t kill her he doesn’t have a poison ability like savant

TheOne320

Two big events in a row and we potentially find out who Chris is.

mitchell kaiser

Excellent chapter! Can’t wait for the new Tournament Arc!

Borbino the great

Yeah but he still has “you see that direction? Now you don’t” doesn’t matter how fast she is if he just control alt deletes the area she’s in

Borbino the great

I was so hoping Nat would pull something out of his ass for this

Baramus

He’d have to obliterate everything around him. Direction doesn’t matter if she’s no longer there by the time he attacks. Even then, she’d blitz him before he even knows what happened if she uses her full speed.

Tanean

How many people will recognize that the Top3 are all coming from the same planet? o.o ...and that Nathaniel won the last 2 tournaments of his planet?

Fdrugc

I'm surprised that Nat lasted that long against her

Gravitea

Letssssss gooooooo! Keen for the tournament arc!!!

Isaac Lung

It would be funny if Earth got matched up with an average planet for the 3rd tournament where nobody has heard of them because their beyonders haven’t gotten past the first floor.

Andrew

He's never faced Tacita before now. If he had fought her in the first tournement I think he would've lost, she countered him at the time.

Michael Williams

I think he could beat her, even kill her. She is very fast and deadly but nat has demonstrated excellent planning and forethought in the past.

Adrian Rake

The Earth has 3 proper monsters. And there wasn’t even Nat’s sister and the first Beyonder in it. Pretty terrifying. 🙂👍 I wonder what the consequences will be after this event. 🤔

Madje Tobi Marc'Avent Tchona

I love that he doesn’t always win. Makes every win more enjoyable. Satisfied with this conclusion. I wanna see Nat sis vs Tacita. Also it would have been fun to see Christoph in action. As a guy who started in beyond, he must be ridiculously strong even with low stats in theory.

Arnon Parenti

Ahaha we are paired with a newly initiated world, nothing can stop us from enslaving the whole population. Why is half the world void of mana and the other half a mana flooded hellscape?

Augustus

Imagine if Biscuit joined in.

Edmund Dillon

Tftc!!!! Had a feeling the speedster will succeed

RJ Barnes

TFTC! I agree, seeing nat not always when a fight gives the story more impact when he improves

Tsorov

I think the planet that they are matched with doesn't even have anyone in the tutorial, so they will have to go in blind. And probably haughty, considering they go up against a freshly initiated world.

Isaac Lung

I mean the third tournament, which is against a planet undergoing its own tutorial.

Al

I think it’s worth noting that the stats for this event had Dex as the highest, and mana at only 5. She’s a Dex user and he is mana, so she had an innate advantage here.

Lance Beam

TFTC. And so Planthaniel adds new details to his blueprint of how to defeat Tacita.

Alex Reed

Last words to Tacita: "Do you now see the importance of the mana stat?"

Bob

The planet earth is paired with has means to get information from beyond.

Isaac Lung

I’m not talking about the pairing.

Kevin

A LOOOONG time ago we got a brief POV from someone (Probably a champion) on the planet they are paired with. We know that he is fully aware of the number of people they have in beyond and he talks about learning more about them during the 4th tournament.

Bob

" do you enjoyed our battle as much as me"?

Adrian Rake

I think he said: „Well done Tacita. You deserve it.”

Michel K

She never faces him because if you remember the first tournament Nat was her 'only friend' kind of things and they had that 'competition' to see who defeated the other changing the frequencies faster and nat always won, wich made her skills useless. But she also improved thanks to that friendly competition so she kind of feel she owns Nat a bit.

Nemesis

You need to Palpatine that sentence up some "do you see the power of the dark side (black mana)?"

Michel K

It's obvios already... he is their grandfather by part of dad i think.

Michel K

I need more cerim!!!!! Please crate a new tier i will pay!!!

Reps A

Ima make a theory here and now and if im wrong you can all throw me off the cliffhanger that happens then if any lol, but I think Tacita will be killed by Wraith guy probably out of fear or calculative risk just a guess though

Mister Cakers

I’m confused, how did he make black mana without any primordial energy? It was stated that primordial energy was a necessary ingredient in compressing man beyond its normal maximum. If this is an example of Nathaniel accomplishing it without, then what does that say about its rarity? How can it remain so unknown when it apparently only needs mana and compression, and not the primordial energies? Also how the hell did he predate on black mana without access to his passive? Is he now simply capable of it?

Colby Jordan

I am just roaring with laughter at seeing Nates flat ass run away. So funny. Good stuff!

DarkRain

....what? No. He was using focus to turn mana into black mana. Now he did it with pure mana control. At no point in the story did he use PE to turn mana into black mana. Redistribution was used for tri colored but that didnt include PE, just mana controlled with redistribution

DarkRain

Also i think youve again misunderstood something. Black mana doesnt "only" need compression and PE. You need to "have" it. Liss cannot make it. The rulers who dont have it cannot make it. Its an affinity similar to a primordial energy but different in some way that we dont understand

DarkRain

(and i wasnt implying it needs PE cause it doesnt)

Bandit General

For predation on mana, he just have such mastery of skills, and their understanding, that he just can do it. Same how liss, the cockroach could take over his key line, mana. Without having access to her levels. I just simple mastery. For black mana, I don’t think, it has anything to do with. Primordial energy. At this point it’s just pure compression with focus. Base on what I have learn to compress mana it’s either your heart can compress it or you have a skills. Nat compress it with his mind, just his god damn mind. Not with his heart, not with a skill. Just with pure mental. That’s why we saw him bleed. And it also begs the questions, did we see anybody compress mana like nat, where mana itself become hungry., where compression isn’t compression anymore, but a monster

John

ARE YOU REALLY GONNA DELAY THE BODYUPGRADE TO AFTER THE TOURNAMENT!

TBONEMAN

Nat is probably going to challenge a champion in one of the matches then upgrade his body in the right after the tournament. Maybe during it if he gets a random level from his items.

Mister Cakers

I haven’t read anything that implies black mana is a problem of affinity. As for why I brought up PE, back during the second floor Nathaniel tried to compress mana further but found himself stonewalled unable to go further. That was until he added his PEs into the mix, then he could compress it even further up until his own focus and ability was found lacking. At the end of the floor he used his temporary immortality to push his mind beyond breaking to compress his mana even further creating black mana. PEs have always been a necessary ingredient. Even from later chapters his mana was described as changing from light blue to dark blue to tricolored (the inclusion of primordial energies) to black.

Mister Cakers

Also “Redistribution was used for tricolored but didn’t include PE”. Redistribution as a skill is to control and convert mana into PE, and now recently PE into mana.

G Laxman

What’s the point of fantasy if it’s disappointing

Mister Cakers

The name “tricolored mana” is so named after the three energies that permeate it: primordial kinetic, thermal, and mana.

Andrew

Thank you!

DarkRain

Ok all of this is wrong funnily enough. First of all tricolored refers to mana that is light blue, dark blue and purple so you should prob reread that part. Second of all there was a moment where Nat used redistribution on mana and this is what i was talking about. He still does it probably but mirec doesnt really talk about it. Lastly Nat cannot directly convert mana to PE as we havent see him done that. What we have seen him do on the other hand is use redistribution(which runs on mana) to collect PE from the environment as well as turn kinetic(which is easy to find) into thermal. As for what implies that black mana is an affinity issue? Well 4th floor the ant tried using all the ant minds to compress mana after seeing Nat do it and failed to make black mana. Also lissandra couldnt make black mana. If you cant see how that is definitive proof then you DEFINITELY need to reread the previous floors. (also fun fact but a few months ago i also thought that tri colored referred to mana with thermal and kinetic till i reread)

1133557799

😐🪢🌲🧗😴

David

I thought Nat will challenge a champion during the tutorial countdown, this way he can test things out during the tournament somehow also do his body upgrade as well at the same time.

Mister Cakers

It occurs to me that Maya has had tricolored mana, so PE is not required for its creation. I cannot think of any direct examples of Nat turning mana into PE, however his recent accomplishment of turning Primordial Thermal into Mana was made all the sweeter knowing that he could already turn mana into PE. So I don’t understand how that’s a point of contention. As for Lissandra, so far as I know it’s never been directly mentioned that she’s incapable of making black mana, though I’ll give you that it may as well be implied. As much as you posit that it must be an invisible affinity to black mana, even implying that it was so obvious that I must reread the series, you have no actual proof. Why can’t powerful individuals seemingly not create black mana? A great question that deserves discussion. Seeing as his mana manipulation, and manifestation all increased in this round I have a theory. I suspect that black mana is made through compression, yes, but also his focus creating an environment necessary for its existence. It’s the only true difference-maker. The ant was incapable because it lacked the appropriate focus, borrowing the mental faculties from the other ants. Lissandra has a powerful mind but also doesn’t show any signs that a focus-skill would present. Manifestation leveling up here is supporting evidence. Nothing he did in that round should have leveled it, besides creating black mana. The skill is a mana and mind adjacent skill, so it would imply that black mana and its creation requires mana and focus. I appreciate the discussion, but please try to mellow and elaborate on your points. Demanding I re-read the novel, as though I have nothing to offer, comes off as conceited.

Deluis Serrano

What requirement did Nat meet from the absolute quest?

C Smith

I'm sorry but this was trash. Not nat loosing but tacitia being able to do what she did will 11 dex. It makes no sense. Unless Dex is a stat you can charge up like you can mana? Or maybe you can, idk can you charge up dex like mana? If so that's kind of dumb. Anyway sorry I love 99% of the shit you write but this one was really dumb without some explanation. Thanks

Gwiddion

Lvl 75 in mana manipulation and channeling 10 k mana. Only missing the 10seconds against a fully unleashed champion.

PigNebula

It's about technique. A stronger person will be able to lift less than a weaker person if they have technique that is worse by a large enough margin. That is effectively what Tacita did. She is a dex main and therefore has the best technique to utilize dex and dex was the highest stat. The combination of the two was strong enough for her to dog walker the whole competition which is reasonable. Also I read it as they started at the same stats, not that they couldn't raise the stats over the course of the event but maybe I understood that wrong.

Kenny

I was thinking the same thing last chapter when she killed Lyraen and Weslin. I understand some people might adapt to their stats better from experience using them, but she outclassed all of them in a way that doesn't seem consistent with them all having the same stat levels. I mean they are S ranks, dexterity isn't their specialty but they are all very adaptable and know how to fight physically and with mana.

rams

Not just same planet .... same round. would give all those pride enjoyers a nice smack up side the head

Liam Zay

No need to be so rude about it, and I think there are ways to build up dex or something similar. A long time ago a dex mantle ability was mentioned that allowed them to build up speed

Liam Zay

I thought that was fairly obvious. They are going to do a lot of their preparations under the tournament immortality and he needs to get the absolute candidate status from fighting a champion which he is doing on floor five after the tournament

rams

most planets would be lucky to have a single S-rank candidate (new term yay), while earth probably has at least 10 and maybe as many as 20. Everyone in G4 is a future champion.

Liam Zay

All the contestants would be devoured and not ever the rulers protections would save them

Y.V_661

Bro, making the crown is what leveled up manifestation and this shit gotta be fucking ragebait. Fuck you mean implied? Liss definitely can't make it. Otherwise, she would be using it. You seriously gotta reread my man. If you are not ragebaiting. Because wtf?

TRexperiment

"You have accepted your personalized Absolute Candidate quest, authorized directly by the system. A time limit is set to complete the objectives within one year of the quest being given. However, early completion will grant earlier access to the advantages tied to the title. Your quest objectives are as follows: - Raise the skill [Mana Manipulation] to Level 75 - Channel 50,000 stat points worth of mana within one second without any external assistance - Confront a Champion level being without any of its power diminished, alone, for a duration of ten seconds "

rams

welll ... Do we know tacita's subclass? If she is humility, then the whole event could have been rigged from the beginning. Plus something hella weird is going on with Earth. So many S tiers. HDT is most definitely an Earth-wank, HFY or I guess EFY. It is entirely possible / reasonable that Tacita is the most talented Dex-enjoyer in all of Beyond currently.

1133557799

You looked at the pages. You haven't understood the meaning of the funny little symbols we call letters. Try turning the gears in your little lizardbrain.

TBONEMAN

You can charge up dex with the dex crown. I wouldnt be durprised if tacita figured out how to imitate its effects.

Mister Cakers

Yes I use “imply” because it is not outright stated as being fact. There CAN be other reasons she doesn’t make it. Hurling insults is childish. Also “rage baiting”? I can’t help it you get angry at what I write, try taking a step back and calming down this is a discussion not a place to degrade and demean.

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

Mana is the one true stat. It's the one stat where it is truly based on none system given stuff. Primordial energies likewise. A stat where it can be x10000 if someone is good enough. Dexterity is not. At best, just body technique cam make you x2 or x3 if you push it. Tacita should not have been able to move like that. Dexterity is just speed. Now you either shot yourself in the foot, or you will introduce VERY SOON that there are Cultivations Laws, and the stats are based on them. (They don't need to be called cultivation laws. But that's litteraly what they are). Dexterity is the law of speed. And therefore, a true master of dexterity, without even the system stat, can use the Law of Speed to make themselves move much faster. It's a law people can controll and use it to amplify their stats. It's something that can be mentally controlled and wielded. And therefore, massive boost can be used. And a high stat multiplier can be achieved. Then in that way, every stats would be real stats. But you are now FORCED to do it. Because otherwise what you just wrote made zero fucking sense. BODY movement technique in real life is ASSYMPTOTIC. It has diminishing return, and a bounded upper value. It cannot endlessly grow. It's all based on: If you were perfect, you'd be at best 2x better. (Or some other similar number). And if you are 99% perfect, then you are like 1.99x better. And it will take you 10 years of effort to reach 90% perfection, and 100 years to reach 99, etc. (Simplified with numbers and simple functions. The true general statement is a math thing and I'll save you from that). And if you can't see that (that in real life, movement technique itself is bounded), then you are fucking blind. And since she wasn't using mana (which is controllable, and has infinite potential and can give huge multiplier) to move fast. Just pure dexterity and movement technique... You have to ask yourself: What does a mana less movement technique that can make her move 20-50x faster EVEN MEAN? If she's just controlling her body, then the amplification follows real life assymptotic rules. She has to be also controlling something else for a similar movement to be even faster with the same stat. So, mental controls over the stat themselves needs to be a thing! But given that a dexterity crown and mantle and other similar stuff exist, then it seems you might have gone in that direction already, subconsciously or not. === What you also made btw, is that Tacita is either much more OP then you thought, or more likely, raw uncontrolled dexterity isn't that OP. So Tacita was always using Speed Mulitiplication and amped her stats. Aka, if someone else had the same stat as Tacita (probably 1000+ dex), they would move nowhere near as fast without the understanding and controll of the Law of speed she has. === With every stats being a representation of a Cultivation Law, then it means proper unbounded technique can exist. And it means we could have Lissandra like characters that aren't following the path of mana. Some super weakened Absolute in a Strength path, even with completely nuked stat, could still kill champions by example. Just like lissandra does. Mana will still be the best, because it has so much versatility. But at least all the other stats aren't just fake stats that are just a permanent fake super mana buff. And people can have some tallent and degree of control over them. Over just being completely bounded by the system. And power isn't a 1 to 1 with stats. Cause otherwise, all non mana main are 100% system reliant little bitched.

AFunkyLad

I love how Nat is portrayed in the story, yeah he is insane and powerful and absolutely going to become an absolute by the end of the story, but he isn’t invincible, his past mistakes catch up to him, he knows that he is going to lose to certain people and best of all he isn’t some perfect Mary Su. It is absolutely believable that there are people that could smoke Nat given the circumstances

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

Isn't the reason she can't make it is that she doesn't have a mana heart? She used black mana as a heart. So catch 22 kinda thing. Eventually she got a working mana heart. So if she couldn't make it then, then it's confirmed.

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

But mana can be amplified through REAL skill and control. And has of right now, dex isn't. Nat must have done stuff that's like 50x the strength someone with the same mana stat could do. Explain how pure body technique (without a mentally controlled magical essence, or reality bending) can do the same? Can you see a man run as fast as a car? Physical technique is assymptotic with an upper bound. Mental-Magical is unbounded and grows >= linear. Google these words if you don't know them. They are perfect to quickly describe and perfectly describe the idea. So, the other stats needs to be physical cultivation laws. Where understanding and mental control can amplify them.

Abomb1723

I agree I see him using the tournament start as a way to automatically pull him out of a fight, so maybe he can pick a champion that he can’t normally escape from but might still counter enough to last. And then maybe leave a black mana ‘bomb’ to get some levels after he enters the tournament.

Madje Tobi Marc'Avent Tchona

Except this are not real humans. And this is not real life. Yes in real life, speed u can achieve with technique is capped proportional to given stats and gives marginal returns as technique improves to perfection or whatever. I think there is a synergy here tho that all single stats enjoyers have with whatever respective stats they got and constitution. I would argue that having unbalanced stats, neglecting constitution forces you to have way better technique to use your dump stat (whether mana, strength, or dexterity ). And in this world, those techniques to survive don’t give diminishing returns because it’s a fantasy world or whatever. So I guess you prolly on to something with cultivation techniques or whatever… the same way Nat has Mana Cycling, there prolly is Dexterity Cycling /Strength Cycling too, or a skill like Body Control or something. In Tacita’s case, I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason is her insane survival instinct, that basically course corrects her instinctually to make the best use of her body. Her main skill is prolly related to something like that “Instinct” or sum. In Jean, it’s prolly all his years of bodybuilding giving him the fundamentals he needs to “cycle” such insane strength even with low constitution. But even then. His own attacks destroy his body if I recall, so he prolly relies on his healing traits to cover himself or something. Which checks out with him refusing to have a master, and thereby nobody to teach him “strength cycling or something”. Another thing to note is that mana is just a jumpstarter, for most people. It jumpstarts their skills, doesn’t necessarily amplify them. That is why a lot of characters can get to champion level in their skills with poor mana manipulation skill if any. More potent mana (Lissandra, Tess) is a better quality jumpstarter and can result in more powerful outputs for less mana, and uber super potent mana/concentrated mana ( black mana) basically does that even better. Yes mana can be used to amplify stats to some extent but there is some diminishing return or else Nat would just be the strongest fastest everything in the verse. So top speed/strength is strongly correlated with stats for most people. In that sense there is no reason why Tacita’s high level 60-70 ish “instinct” skill or whatever wouldn’t allow her to make best use of her dexterity resource to which she is best accustomed allowing for massive amplification even with little mana usage.

TBONEMAN

The system would drop him off in front of the champion after the tounament. Dont forget the system is an asshole and doesnt like it when you use system teleports to abuse fights like that. Also i dont think cerim would let Nat abuse tournament immortality for his body upgrade.

Johnny

Hey Maya said he had quite a nice ass lol

Johnny

How did he channel so much mana? Prob been explained before but are stat points equivalent to thousands of mana? Like it’s easier cuz proportions with lower stats? 10k mana or 50k or whatever the requirement was seems high in confused on the mechanics

Johnny

Oh wait was the mana channeling req achieved prior to this

Kirin

Thank you for thr chappie!

Marshall

I see your point about a physical stat would have limits, but let me give you something to consider. When the system arrives it takes over everything.(of course it’s different in different stories). It’s all quantifiable and given STATS. The more you use the system the more reality diverges from real life. The higher a stat at a certain point the environment (also part of the system) starts to help you. You run faster by pushing off the ground, and the ground pushes you. I’m not saying you’re wrong. Thy this idea out as a thought exercise and see if it gets you anywhere.

Madje Tobi Marc'Avent Tchona

Um, he broke the barrier by the Champion in his minion’s world, just recently. Taking all the mana stored in the sword of aeons plus all the mana he had accumulated in his crown and basically channeled about 80k worth of mana through his body. That was about a few chapters a ago <= 20 chapters or so

1133557799

No. She also used it when breaking into beyond and she had a heart then.

Narvendel

Yes, it was achieved when he was calling the attention of the hornless demon on his minion's planet

Hardworking Guy

Didn't Lissandra collapsed her mana heart into some kind of black hole? Of black mana? I don't remember exactly.

Ivan Jelenić

I'm thinking he'll face a champion level monster during the tournament, while he can't die. But I guess the system wouldn't allow that.

Ivan Jelenić

"Still couldn't hide from me. That was fun, though."

Morde24

If you think Nat making it to top 2 when his stat was the most underpowered one, and losing to essentially the Nat of dexterity, whole dex was powered up, is disappointing, idk what makes you happy. To me this is just another fantastic fight with an outcome that is totally reasonable and acts as a nice level set for Nat, and our expectations for him. He is nuts powerful for his level, has a ton of potential, but there are people with skillsets that counter him in some situations, and people who may have smaller potential, but have realized much more of theirs making them more powerful in the present.

Morde24

Ohhhh, great call Liam.

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

The except it's not real life is pure stupidity, and completely missing everything I said and beside the point. It's so dumb. I mean, since this is fiction, why don't we have Nat kill Pride in tomorrow's chapter. Being fiction doesn't mean all logic and self consistency goes out the window. And in fiction, if you remove or equalize all magical interference, then only non magical is left. If physical stats only gives a set effect for a set value, then technique follows the exact same laws as regular magicless motions. The only way skill and talent can make you get more bang for your bucks for the same movement and stats, is if stats, like mana, can be amplified through mental controll. (Cause what else kinds of control there would be?). Different physical movement doing different amplification to stats is stupid and nonsensical. It's the ultimate catch 22. If she decide to move her hands up, then she just do that really fast. But if there's a "technique" that requires lowering her hand. Then it's impossible to use the technique to speedup movement. She was keeping up, with a mana boosted Nat. Who can get a lot of bang for his buck with mana. As he absorbed mana for a ling time to essentially use black mana to have increased stats. And he also manually increase the mana potency and the mana technique efficiency is much higher. And even then, how does Tacita move? She doesn't have 4 legs. She doesn't run like an animal or something. At best, she's running like a normal person. Or more accurately it's optimized movement for that speed of movement. But guess what, that's not making her move faster! That's just making it so she doesn't slip or fall. You telling me she was moving faster then the eye could see to everyone else due to technique? Even in cultivation/martial art novel it's not the movement that make technique, it's the ki flow. Which here, is equivalent to technique in using mana or PEs to boost yourself. And so, Bounded And once everyone runs not like a dumbass, then there's no one running > 2x more efficiently thrn another. The rest is stats. Like, maybe if we compared someone that moved by doing the bacon to someone running with olympic forms then yeah, it can be in speed blitz territory, but no one can do so. It's a trivally true statement that only dumbass who miss the point do not understand. They are people who haven't been taught any math in life, and never were able to see the bounded assymptotic pattern in life in the large number of cases it applies to. They are people who haven't learned to think, recognize and make accurate mental model of reality. And so a self obvious fact continually eludes them. And they in actuality think about something else completely different and besides the point. ==== Now, there maybe could be other mechanism. But none gives an explanation that holds up as much. And physical technique is just soooo dumb. At best, for dexterity physicap technique *could* allow, maybe keeping momentum. And eventually reach speeds above your dexterity. (And that requires a specific model of how dex works) But tacita twist and turn and changes direction. She's got dexterity, she's not a train! Again, for every other model, they'll all have a major fail somewhere and cause a contradiction. It's like the 50 different flat earth model. They can all explain one thing, but they all fail at something, and they are garbage at explaning more then one things at once.

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

But her syat is the same as nat. And she was already speed blitzing other people who are super althetes in term of REAL dexterity (body control, forms and physical techniques) who have it like 99.9% perfected. All the while having the same stats as them, and not even using mana to amp herself. What the stat by itself does doesn't matter. They have the exact same stat. It's what you do with the stat. You might as well have replied and talked about the color of fish in alexandria.

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

Look at it this way. Let's say a strength main wants to do a precise actionnand movement. So, the physical movement (and therefore physical technique) is FIXED. And two persons have the same stats and do not use PE or Mana. One is a regressed/reincarnated/repossesed Ruler. The other is a minute 1 Tutorial attendee. They both then do the same movement. Do they exerse the same force? === The other thing you have to realize, is that technique giving you magical unbounded boost is nice and all, but since movements are similar, it needs to work with 1/error, so unbounded assymptotic behavior. (Again, learn what if fucking means please. If you do not understand the family of functions [and the image their graph represent], then go learn this before continuing reading). However, the actual movement you want to do, because it's freeform and infinite potential, will go directly against the infinetly precise movement the technique wants you to do. So they clash, and you get nothing. I could go on detail about how the cardinality of the set of movement you can to do to get the set of practical effect you want, and the set of movement you can do while following a technique are naturally different. Otherwise everyone would be at xinfinity speed at every movement. And even then, how would the system and dexterity know to boost your effective stats if you pick your nose with perfect forms while walking hopping on one arm? It makes no sense. Explain in a way with as few axioms as possible how the system would know and boost your stat (which is then just another kind of system reliance). And if it happens naturally, then we are right back at the beginning of my comments. In martial arts novel, body technique exist to make it easier to do the proper ki channeling that is the magical boost to your speed. And so, it's minmaxed with physically doing a useful movements, and making movements that leads to easier ki channeling, even if it is a less practical movement by itself. But here, if she's not channeling Mana, Or PE, or the Law of the Stat itself, then there is NO MAGICAL BOOST. There is no X factor. No variable. Nothing. She moves the same speed as everyone else.

Krzychu0304

I'll let you in on a little secret: there are no real stats, techniques, or laws, only constructs. And now, on a more serious note: The system works based on constructs; traits are constructs, passive skills are constructs, active skills are constructs, and, after all, statistics are also constructs. Let's use your example with the Warlord and the Novice from the tutorial; they have the same tool (statistics), but does that mean they'll get the same results? No. Imagine giving them a specific tool, like the Barrett M99, where one barely raises the weapon, firing from the hip, loosely aiming the barrel at the target, while the other properly supports the rifle, uses a scope, and fires using the appropriate technique. It's quite obvious that the distance at which they can effectively hit something is drastically different. We've seen this kind of phenomenon several times before, whether it was Nat's mana manipulation skill (the first mana manipulation gained at level 50 isn't equal to the multiple times lost and regained mana manipulation at level 50), or the whole bunch of crazy things that cockroachsandra did. Another thing is that asymptotes have already appeared. Remember the immortality skill Kindnes at level 99?

Audrey WJ

He achieved the mana channeling requirement in the demon world working with Lily and Savant, remember he channeled the largest black mana ord he's ever created to make the absolute show up out of interest.

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

All of that to say. "Tacitas showing just proved the existance of Physical stat buffing" And like other magical thing affrcted by skill, it's controlled by will, mental efforts, and the brain. Just like your muscles, mana and PEs are. It's not a side effect of thoughtless movement. Movement doesn't induce movement. The mind induce movement.

Sneakythaniel

Wasn't it originally that he had to solo kill a champion grade opponent? Did that get retconned?

Jonathan Nading

I absolutely love Morwag and how he has to leave because he just can’t take not being able to fight haha

Admiral Combustion

No, the req was to survive an encounter with an uninjured champion grade opponent alone for 10 seconds without the being holding back.

Death56

The mana given was the lowest stat given at 5 and he still probably would have won if he fought like a mage from a distance. But momma ain't raise no bitch

Balsamic ThunderThighs

Sad that Nat lost but kind of glad he got something out of it even if he didnt win. If only Mana was at 11 he would've won...

Hellnhavoc

Yeah don’t like this chapter. I dunno it doesn’t make sense in the context of what she had available her. I get she has “instincts” but so do these s tiers. They are are also the kind that have trained legitimately. There’s no way she has other than wild beasts.