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Site Wrestle 3: Neolithic Long Barrow (Patreon)

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2021-02-09 15:26:06
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The Site Wrestle continues as our team of trusty Originals consider the next site: a Neolithic long barrow. It's an intriguing proposition, ripe with possibilities. But they're a tough group to please and this particular site throws up many interesting questions...

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Comments

Mark Cooke

I Couldn’t get it working on iPad but got access now in iphone

Robert Wise

Might be interesting if the immediate area was looked at also? If you look at a modern construction site, the actual building is only part of the story. There are also roads, material storage areas, quarry sites ... and in this case perhaps nearby areas where the builders lived?

Mark Cooke

Do as non invasive as you can to move on and schedule find out as as much about the wider context 6

Naomi Wilde

This one gets my vote before I even watch the video!

Bob Pockney

Tricky one. Would be good to advance it prior to listing, but perhaps not a project for Time Team yet.

Anthony cotton

I would like to see this at some point but probably not as the first episode back.. I think you need something that will appeal to the wider audience and involve all aspects of the team to there full potential

Carole Cox

Very interesting to listen to the wrestle of thoughts! Love the different views.

John Matthew IV

This site leaves me cold. For the first of the new digs, I think we need something we more pizzazz. And I respect what Simon said about leaving it for now until better, non-invasive technology can be used.

Phelim McIntyre

Agree that this is a difficult one. Yes there is the surrounding "story" up to (at least) WW2. I would be interested to know what else was there that the USAAF removed. There is also an environmental archaeology perspective as during WW2 the various armed forces used herbicides that are still doing damage. This could be something to look at as part of the story. But like the team my score would be 6.

Mary Boulton

Agreed. If this could be a second tier effort, or as mentioned work with the locals and other sponsors as a special project, moving it towards scheduling, I would wholeheartedly support it.

Derek Thom

Help the locals advance by using GPR etc to provide better non invasive evidence and hopefully get the site scheduled to protect it for a more detailed later investigation

Clare Williams

This one gets my vote sound very mysterious.

Justine Norbury

This gets my vote-sack the Roman villa this is far more interesting!

Robert Boudreau

I'm going to agree with Helen and Tim on this one, it needs to be done so that it can be scheduled. However I don't think it should be top of the list as the list it is so far. I feel more time for planning on how to do it as non-invasively as possible, while still keeping with the goal of interesting discoveries is needed. I think this is a site where geophysics can truly shine, but how to tell the larger story with minimal impact on the barrow itself will take some creative thinking. I would put it on the list, but give some time to think how best to do it.

William F. Campbell

I am struck with how much a privilege it is to be included in these discussions. The Team's expertise is as evident now as it used to be - maybe more impressive. Commenting on British matters from Texas is something to be done with respect and try not to appear as ignorant as most tourists. That said, sites in Texas that have been in the hands of "antiquarians" are almost all scared or robbed to some extent. Our Historical Commission and General Land Office are doing excellent jobs of stopping or reversing the damage, but many sites have lost their value due to "antiquarians."

Paul Brekke

I really enjoy these "wrestles" - it's fun to hear what's going on in the background (which seems to be exactly what used to happen in front of the cameras anyway - you are all obviously "in character" all the time! :-)). I wonder if one or more of these should be uploaded to Youtube as well, with an attached pre- or postroll explaining the drive to get Time Team going again and encouraging people to join the effort here on Patreon. I think that viewers seeing that you're seriously considering new sites will be more inclined to follow and support on Patreon. Thank you for sharing! Best regards from Norway, Paul

Ray Roberts

So this was a wasted discussion. Absolutely insufficient information to form an opinion; potential antiquarian destruction of the site; potential USAF interference in the site or it's surroundings; zero surface survey data and zero geophysical data.

Richard Moss

Spot on Paul. I am really enjoying them too. It's a fantastic insight into the factors you need to weigh when deciding the potential of a site as a whole, but also whether it works as a Time Team dig with a story to tell. The interactions and debate also remind me so much of what made the programme great. They have excited me; I am sure they will excite others.

Philippe Fuentes

I agree with Stewart on this one. Maybe it’s better to let this one for future generations with better non invasive methods. Right now, the only things I would see to do, could be geophysics, and maybe a couple of small test pits.

Jim Else

I am with whatever Helen wants. Big Fan.

Okeydokey

I'd agree with Helen and Tim. The site at least needs more investigation somehow and prehistory with new analysis techniques can show so much more nowadays and tell facinating stories. Big up the barrow I'd say 😂

Simone Fritzen

Thanks for sharing these discussions. I would like to see a short summary of them before each episode - it helps me a lot to understand, why a site is choosen. Something like: we have choosen this site because...

Erik Peterson

I am learning quite a bit just from this process of reviewing sites. Thank you.

Ray Roberts

If TT wants to do a prehistory site... what about returning to Finlaggan ? There doesn't seem to be any online follow up available ? Wessex doesn't have a dig report. The only thing I see is the references to the Lords of the Isles which, though interesting, leaves the prehistory discoveries alone. That site seems to be crying out for further exploration of the prehistory and you could present the findings from the 1995 episode as a lead in...

Paul Middleton

I would bow out to the experts on this one to much to consider for us mere mortals.

Dale Wilson

It seems to me that the more information Time Team can add to the site is a good thing

Patti McCarthy

Haha, Paul. So true. Thank you SO MUCH again, Tim and TT, for giving us the unique opportunity to peek in and listen to your site wrestles. Every new video is a gift for your fans which allows us to spend time with "well-loved and respected friends." And yes, Helen! No one does archeology better than the TT! This site, although it may give an intriguing glimpse into the neolithic past, doesn't seem, though, to offer as in-depth narrative or "good tv" as do the previous two sites pitched--especially the one that might provide a source of funding or base camp for the TT. No matter, I too, bow to the recommendations of our beloved experts. Look forward to the next "wrestle!"

Irene Daly

I know the team will make the right decision in the end. They are not destructive and are always mindful of the fact that excavation is the last resort.

TimeTeamOfficial

Hi Ray. Sorry you felt that way, but we didn't think it was a waste! In these opening stages the team are giving their initial impressions based on info we're able to share at that time. With negotiations and conversations ongoing with landowners, local archaeologists and other interested parties, in some cases we're unable to reveal more information until permissions and paperwork are in place. Initial understanding of certain sites might be more developed than others, and so some of these early discussions are likely to come out with more questions than answers. It's all part of the process, but we want to share these open debates between the team as they unfold to give insights into the development. As the project progresses, we'll being sharing more specific detail on the various site contenders, which will hopefully give a more rounded picture.

Steve Mikre

They really seem to work well as a group...

JUDITH COOKE

I am so enjoying participating in these discussions. Very entertaining and informative.

Carl Johnson

I would love to see that long barrow in person, but I'm not sure I would want to do any digging in it.

Lynn Howland

I think considering that it has been threatened before and it isn’t scheduled due to lack of data makes it a worthy site whether there is a frustrating lack of finds when it is opened or not. Any damage to the site is history in itself and educational. I might be biased due to my interest in anything neolithic but to put it in perspective I’d rather see this done than any Tudor to recent times sites. I’m starting to feel a little over educated on Tudors

James P Duffield

I have no idea where this site is but I think that if Time Team can do anything to help protect this and other unscheduled sites then that should be a top priority. I think we're all aware that in this day and age there are Property Developers lurking around every corner, many of whom see ancient history as an inconvenience rather than something to be cherished.

phil creaser

Really enjoying these 'Wrestles'. Keep them coming.

Eggs Ackley

As PhilCreaser says, keep these coming. Crack on!

Sarah Jane

Loving the variety of the proposed digs and the teams honest opinions, thinking of how best to spend the patreon money too

Emma R

"Big up the barrow" is now my new favourite phrase!

TimeTeamOfficial

Hi Mark, thanks for raising this. We've flagged it with Patreon's tech support and they're looking into the issue. Thanks

SEAN STANLEY

Some digs can be potentially low on finds but the story they tell within the wider landscape can be very enriching. I'm sure the team will do their best to do so. A wider scope on some digs is essential and even from the old series some where almost void of any further knowledge of the site. In a sense it's the journey of discovery that can breed an interest in archeology in terms of a TV show. It's ultimately better if you have all the elements but each site creates in own value and should be embellished by the team to its best ability.

Artesian

Good insights from all into the decision making process Carry on!

Sarah Holloway

I think it sounds quite interesting actually and it might be quite a challenge

Gord & Jeanne Wilson

It sounds interesting for sure. Maybe the rating should be whether a site should or could be bumped to the next go - nogo point. That could lead to a firmer consensus. That is perhaps there is not enough information for the experts to make a final judgment, too long of a jump to reach a final conclusion.

Gael Ferguson

Interesting discussion but it feels a bit like some of the participants are coming at it mainly from their speciality areas. Good geophiz equals high points, less chance at interesting geophiz low points. Obviously the technical side is important but I used to enjoy the earlier Time Team programmes a lot as they either involved the community directly or communicated back to the locals. It was about engagement and interest and inclusion. Here is a commmunity who has protected this site over generations and has a strong interest in knowing more. Perhaps the debate should have a category around community and engagement value which each one of the commentators should explicitly address and score in their thinking.

Doug Lucey

I agree with those team members who feel this is worthy of investigation, and particularly in a general landscape sense. Well done also to that vicar and the community for preserving this piece of pre-history. It’s thankless heroes like this, the world over, who are the guardians of our past.

TimeTeamOfficial

Hi Gael, great points. We will be talking about the role of community even more in the conversations ahead. Consider these opening discussions as Round One!

Kathleen Garza

I may be way off here due to my overall lack of technical knowledge; however, I felt as if Tim and Helen were Basil Brown and Edith Pretty. None of the academics initially believed there was anything to Sutton Hoo other than a complete waste of time. Although Tim's point on 6 hours of nothing gives me a moment of pause. Overall, I enjoyed experiencing the developing thought process over 11 minutes! Tim said there was quite a bit of local knowledge and maybe there's something in that knowledge that could help virtually recreate the landscape. I believe there is a story here worth telling. Perhaps Niel's expertise combined with Stewart's and John's could fill the gap of "the day before the USAF arrived" and how the burrow may tie into the Anglo Saxon area as well. I hope to see further discussion on this site. Yeah Team!!

David Whitworth

Count me in for this site, how much do we know about these sites, therefore its a priority.

Sarah Scott

A site like this wouldn't appear in isolation - this would be a great opportunity to thoroughly survey the landscape and find out what else is there to add to the story. Ensuring the barrow itself gets Scheduled properly is surely an incentive too?!

Terri

We see so few prehistoric structures that are not touched. The story of it's potential razing by the air force and the help to get it scheduled seems very worthy.

Emily Flotilla

I tend to agree, I'm all about the prehistoric stuff, but I certainly understand their caution.

Emily Flotilla

Please forgive my nievity on this as I'm only an armchair archeologist. Is this anything similar to what Newgrange in Ireland looked like? I was there back in the days before it became the huge attraction it is now with the theater, and in- depth displays it is today. There was only a small shed for tickets, and we parked on the side of the road. My parents, junior high school aged daughter and I were all able to go through the entire inside in a group of twelve. One of the most stunning things I've ever encountered in my life. I've seen the prehistoric world in front of my very eyes. It's a shame more of the world doesn't hear about it instead of the pyramids. (Not that they aren't interesting in their own rite.)

David Boon

I would like to see a focus on pre-history but it doesn’t sound like this is going to be he best site to choose from TT perspective.

Jane Anders

It would be interesting to learn more about the non-digging aspects of archaeology. This site sounds like it would be a great candidate for this.

Alice Reynolds

When I saw Neolithic in the title, I was all in. But, it was very interesting to hear all of the consideration that goes into the choice of sites. I do hope there will be more opportunities to view prehistory sites on TT.

Julie Gray

Prehistory intrigues me and would come above a Roman site and probably on par with Anglo Saxon

Gareth Hayes

Newgrange is more circular in shape. Long barrows, as the name suggests, are generally much longer than they are wide and roughly rectangular in shape. West Kennet and Wayland's Smithy are a couple of well known examples, while Cat's Brain (destroyed above ground) and Hetty Pegler's Tump may be two of Britain's best named monuments!

Emily Flotilla

@Gareth Hayes Thanks for the information, I will look them up!

Larissa Spiker

Very valid points, all around. This is a tough crowd! lol