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2022-07-08 01:12:11
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Hey, all!

Thanks for all the patience on this one! It took a minute to make sure I got this *right*. This episode is on RoS and STAR WARS as a whole ... it is definitely all I ever want to say about STAR WARS ever again. But don't get scared, I already announced the next episode of MwM in this episode. 

Please, check this out and let me know you feel about it. I know this is a wound that hasn't closed up for a lot of people ... if anything half this episode is devoted to healing that wound :D

Ask anything you like!

-m,


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Comments

Clayton Grey

You've done folks a solid here by creating a place to grieve Star Wars. I feel like a lot of folks needed this and maybe didn't know it, myself included. Thank you.

Anonymous

This video is everything that made me a fan of Mikey's stuff to begin with. It's honest, fair and reasonable. Some of the movie works and a lot of it doesn't and for a great number of different reasons, but that's like... Star Wars as a whole. It's okay to enjoy a thing even when it's not good, maybe especially then and it's okay to not like a thing but you don't have to be angry about it. Mikey seems to end in about the same place with Star Wars that I'm feeling right now. My first memory of seeing a movie in a theater was when my parents took me to Return of the Jedi when I was like three or four and I've enjoy a lot of it ever since, but when they made the announcement last year and showed a screen of like 20 different projects in the works I didn't feel excited just tired. I honestly hope people enjoy them and I'll look back at how much fun I've had with Star Wars over the years but I feel okay just walking away and letting it be for other people at this point. It's nice to not feel alone in this. I can't wait to see what you have to say about Everything, Everywhere, All at Once.

Colin Luton

Mikey, I so appreciate you making this. I'm so sad that talking about star wars has become this lightning rod for negativity and vitriol because it meant that my favorite thinkers-on-media had to stop doing it for their own health and safety. And absolutely that was the right call and I'm glad they're taking care of themselves... but it meant that meaningful discussion about star wars ceased. So thank you for being the spark that will light the fires that will burn down I was really hoping to have an eloquent conclusion to this reference that would tie it up by the time I got here but I don't. Just, thanks, Mikey.

movieswithmikey
>>87236801

I saw Jedi first too! I watched Jedi ... then Empire ... then this really boring one called A New Hope (I was 6)

Mobius Scarf

The ending reminded me of "Get Off the Floor", I presume intentionally :)

Drew Messinger-Michaels & L. Villegas

This captured my own ultimate reaction to RoS: Maybe Star Wars is less important to me now. Maybe Star Wars is less important now, period. And that's fine. There's something a little sad about it, in an end-of-an-era kind of way--but as you point out, when you lose the binge culture content slurry, you're still left with EVERYTHING. (Stoked for that one, by the way!) Thanks for what you do, Mikey.

Brent Garripee

I adore, while not quite agree, with this take. But I see where you are coming from and, as always, respect your incredible ability to communicate it. For me, and this goes for all the brands of my youth, I just wish they'd grown up with *me* as much as I grew up with them, you know? Yeah, Flash Gordon was chock full of mistakes and plot holes and clunky writing & structure, which was kind of the norm back in the day. Isn't it possible to make a new Flash Gordon that's fun and rollicking *without* the patchwork feel? It just feels like people aren't trying hard, they're content with simply pumping out content and cashing in the subscription fees and, well, that feels wasteful. The filmmakers have that rare opportunity to tell a story millions will see and...*this* is what they decided was 'finished project'? Bummer. Signed, your adoring fan.

Ryan Morse

You should put Darkwing Duck over the Franco clip.

Alien6981

Thank you for this video. Without altering how successful TRoS was, If Kylo had told Rey "You're a Palpatine" after they decimate the bad dudes after killing Snoke in TLJ, would it have made the new trilogy and the 9-movie-trilogy sort of work better? Maybe? Because Anakin is "made" into kind of an orphan, when he is taken from his family by the Jedi Order. Then Luke, born as an orphan, finds and frees his father Anakin from the trauma that the Jedi Order caused on them both (but does not, necessarily, free *himself*...). Then Rey rejects her birth family to choose her own family, and in doing so, she rebuilds family by giving it a new meaning. The sin of pride of the Jedi was believing that to wield the Force (power) you had to be *only* that, and cut off from everything else in life. You had to be outside of everything else, when the Force is supposed to "bind us all." It's neat if the answer to that is to redefine what family even is. Rey rejects family as a line of heritage (another form of power) and instead defines family as choosing the way she wants to live her life, the people and history she wants to be a part of. Anyway that idea is there but I think it's wild how having clarity about it from TLJ instead of it feeling like a retcon would've maybe helped the 3, and the 9 movies work better, sort of? I think I do get what Rian Johnson was doing in TLJ with Rey being a nobody and the broom kid at the end and I agree, and I love it, but the broom kid works even if Rey isn't a "nobody." And maybe that change would've served the greater responsibility to a 9 movie saga? If there is such a thing? I mean if they had thought this out a bit from the start, which maybe they did but I don't know. Also if it's Kylo telling her right when he wants to make an alliance with her, doesn't it make perfect sense for that to be the thing he would use to tempt her. "You're the daughter of an Emperor and one of the most powerful force wielders... But LET THE PAST DIE, YOU CAN BE EVEN BIGGER THAN THAT." I mean what an ego trip. And because Kylo doesn't see how much Rey is *not* like him, wouldn't he want to tempt her with the ultimate ego trip, this entitled kid who decided the genocidal side of his grampa was the cool side? And then for her to have to deal with this guy twisting the idea of letting go of the past into something so sick, when of course she'll want to let the past die if she's a Palpatine... but not in the way Kylo wants the past to die... so that's quite a pickle for your main character... I mean that all sounds like good stuff to me. Also also when she finds out in TRoS that her parents dumped her in the desert to hide her from being a Palpie because they loved her, like, now that moment lands, because it was set-up (by a prior movie, I know, but it's STAR WARS). Right? Or am I high? Anyway. I felt things. Thanks for the video.

Josh Kendall

I super enjoyed the video, but I would have loved to see Shrimp Droid discussed during the Mandalorian portions. He represented the ennui of being stuck in a job that needed to be done but didn't satisfy oneself emotionally.

Briarwood

Thank you for your reply. It means a lot that you're willing to listen and take the time to reach out about this. If you want to speak with someone specifically about the Quileute people in regards to Twilight, I recommend contacting them directly. A list of contacts can be found here: https://quileutenation.org/contacts/ The rest of the website is a direct source for information about their history, culture, community, and government that I encourage you to explore. There are other reasons specific to Stephenie Meyer's faith, Mormonism, that makes her exploitation of Indigenous people for her series even more heinous. While it isn't fun to read about, before you decide to do more media related to Twilight, please study up on the historical relationship between Indigenous people and Mormons. If you need an entry point into that particular Hellscape: https://www.history.com/news/native-american-slavery-mormon-utah Meyer is expected to tithe 10% of her income to the Church of LDS as one of its members. Therefore, her exploitation of Indigenous people directly profits the very institutions that have exploited us throughout history. If there are any other questions you would care to discuss with me, please let me know. I hate to drop something like this in your laps as you have all been a tremendous source of joy for me over the years. But it's better to know. Thank you again.

Anonymous

I didn't enjoy TROS as much as I wanted to and I hated the Palpatine thing from the opening scroll. But I love this video and respect Mikey's opinion because, as always, he speaks from a place of love for the work and the medium. That's too rare these days and why I'm happy to be a patron of his work. Looking forward to whatever comes next, Mikey.

movieswithmikey

While we try to maintain a positive perspective with all media we talk about here we never want to veer into toxic positivity so the more information we know the better. The Twilight series has been challenging for a lot of different reasons. We did briefly address the toxic relationships, romanticism of suicide, and Mormon overtones but none of us realized (what we thought was) Jacob’s fictional tribe of werewolves was actually stolen history from actual living people. We commented on negative indigenous stereotypes and appropriation when we saw it, but we had no idea the well ran this deep. So thank you again for bringing this to our attention. 

 I did read through all of the Quileute Nation website yesterday but will read the article you linked about the Mormon church today. Like I mentioned before, we cover Twilight on Deep Dive which is a different show than MwM. On Deep Dive the challenge is to find things to like about bad movies and we are laser focused on “be nice”. We actually disliked the second Twilight movie so much we had to get a friend for the 3rd one that grew up with the films to help us understand why teen girls liked them so much. 
I would like to address this in our next Deep Dive episode and use our platform to bring attention to these issues which people who like this film franchise might not know about. I will spend some time thinking about how to tackle this on a show like Deep Dive. If you have advice or ideas for how to accomplish that I’m happy to hear it! 
You can email teara @ filmjoy.tv any time you’d like. 

We don’t like to gloat about charitable donations publicly because it feels gross but we often donate to charities when we address difficult topics on our videos. After the second Twilight movie we donated to suicide prevention and domestic abuse charities. For the third one we will focus on the Quileute tribe and other indigenous folk. 
We try to be a force for good in the world but even we fail sometimes. All we can do is learn and be better tomorrow.