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The Vicar of Dibley: Season 4: Episode 1 Merry Christmas (Patreon)

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Matt van der Harten
>>89786285

No, not quite. The concept of "recognised" is a point of view in this case. To understand, you need to be aware of the English Reformation (when the Church of England broke away from the authority of the Pope and the Catholic Church). Only the Catholic Church recognised the marriage. That doesn't mean the marriage was legal. It was voided by the Church of England and, therefore, not a legal marriage. As I said at the start of the comment, he had six weddings but not six "wives", legally speaking. There's a difference between a wedding and a legal marriage.

ALW

It's an OK episode. Feels slightly disjointed maybe? Like there's a few seperate plots going on. But the guy they got to play the Archbishop looks so much like him I thought it was actually him for a long time! But I guess that's why they didn't use his name since it wasn't actually him. I wouldn't worry about not knowing Church of England isn't Catholic; we are sort of Catholic-lite, haha. A bit Protestant, a bit Catholic, sort of in the middle. And the fountain looked pale I guess because we generally prefer milkier chocolate here, but also I wouldn't be surprised if it was just coloured water thickened up a little so there was no waste.

Daniel Davies
>>89749217

I think it was chocolate because Dawn French admitted that after she did that scene, she felt a little bit sick after sticking her head through it.

Daniel Davies

This episode was probably me earliest memory of this show. I can remember being on holiday in Spain and this episode was on the telly and I had just caught the chocolate fountain scene and Midnight Mass.

BelladonnicHazeyJaneII

We stopped being a Catholic country in the 1500s, very basically King Henry VIII wanted to divorce his first wife (1st of 6), the pope wouldn't let him, he abandoned Catholicism, we became a Protestant country and he invented The Church of England which is Christian but not necessarily Catholic. Even though we're technically a Christian country, the majority of people don't practice any religion, I had a quick look to see what the percentage of the population is NON-religious but there are loads of different sources, seems anywhere between 50-70%.

Matt van der Harten

Not that many will care, but Henry VIII did not technically have six wives. While it is absolutely true that he had six weddings, he did not, legally speaking, have six wives. He either had three or four, depending on your historian and your interpretation of Christian denomination. His first marriage was declared void by Henry himself, as the head of the newly created Church of England, on the correct legal ground, at the time, that a man could not marry his brother’s wife, and Catherine of Aragon had been married to Henry’s brother Arthur. That leaves five potential wives. The Pope declared void Henry’s second marriage to Anne Boleyn, because Henry was, technically at the time, still married to his first wife Catherine of Aragon. That leaves four potential wives. His fourth marriage to Anne of Cleves was annulled on two grounds: it was never consummated and she was already betrothed to Francis I, Duke of Lorraine. This was correct according to the law at the time and was agreed by both parties, so no legal marriage took place to Anne of Cleves. As I said, depending on interpretation, he had either four or three wives, legally speaking, but definitely not six, regardless of interpretation. It's a bit like Game of Thrones, apart from the scary fact that this actually happened.

Sam

I enjoyed that. Thank you Josh. You're right, he should buy a small car for her to get about in.

Jack Nicholas
>>89786285

Out of all of them, Anne of Cleves was the most fortunate. She didn't contest the annulment, which, considering his past experience with divorce, pleased Henry greatly. That meant they were both still on extremely cordial terms, and remained close friends. Henry also granted her possibly the most generous divorce settlement in history. As well as a vast sum of money , she was given Richmond Palace and Hever castle, and also a status high enough to make her the highest ranking woman in England, only after the king’s daughters and subsequent wives. She was also still welcome at court and was known, at the time, as "The King's Sister". Sorry about the essay. Once someone gives me an excuse to talk about history, it's quite difficult to stop me.

ALW
>>89776305

I always wonder about those percentage polls, because I think that if the question was 'do you believe in God' or something like that, it would probably be higher, but it seems focused on how many people 'practise' their religion, then you get into the whole mess of the cultural aspect of it. It's a bit weird.

makadeni123
>>89786285

If the Pope voided the 2nd marriage because of his first marriage it means the first one was recognised.