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Inside No. 9: Season 5, Episode 5 Thinking Out Loud (Patreon)

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TheHigh

i do like this one , among a few top tiers ones like misdirection ect i still hold The 12 Days of Christine and Tom & Gerri at the top up until this point in the show! id love for you to do a top 10 list when we are done , or one of them tier list things, i heard its getting another 2 series more!? (hope so!)

Ash Jeffries

Great reaction, Josh! This episode is a deliberately disjointed affair and I knew it would have you scratching your head before it all fell into place! You didn't disappoint! Haha! But I knew that because I reacted the same way when I watched it the first time! In terms of who wrote the Angel influencer scenes, that would be Reece and Steve themselves as they write every single line of every single episode! 😁 It was so cringemakingly accurate too... from the little I've seen of those kinds of influencers through forced viewership from a couple of teenage family members. 🙈😂 Great actress playing Angel. Talking of great actors and actresses... Phil Davis and Maxine Peake are pretty revered British stalwarts and it was a coup to have them star in this episode. The only criticism I have of Thinking Out Loud is the clunky exposition at the end when the personality disorder is revealed. It feels as if writers of Reece and Steve's calibre could have found a subtler way of delivering that somehow. When I think of how devastating and show-don't-tell implicit the ending of the 12 Days of Christine is compared with this, it's a bit jarringly heavy handed here. Not the very strongest of episodes but a very different and ambitious one I think and with a superb cast. By the way, the Top 100 BBC shows of all time has been published for the BBC's 100th birthday and I am delighted to see that Inside No. 9, The League of Gentlemen AND Psychoville are all on there! Well done lads! That's the hat trick! 👏 Now let's get Psychoville on here too! 😁😇🙏

Ben

I haven't watched your reaction yet, so maybe my opinion will change once I do, but honestly, this is the worst episode for me. Maybe if they didn't overexplain the twist it still would have worked, but when I first saw it it just really didn't work for me. And yet I love Empty Orchestra! maybe I'm just weird 😂

Edward

I agree the twist on this doesn't even really make sense. I feel like it doesn't give you enough time to even question what's happening before the reveal happens so it's just like "oh.. okay"

Nell Sun

That split-personality thing has been done in the military a lot over the years. It's called Trauma Based Mind Control, or MK-Ultra (Mind Kontrol ultra). Where they subject someone to severe trauma, combined with hypnosis. It creates separate 'alters' (alter egos) in the brain. Britney Spears actually displayed symptoms of this in some of her interviews - she'd sometimes talk like a British person and claimed she'd never heard of Britney Spears... Also was used for soldiers in assassinations, so they could be programmed by their handler to kill someone important without even knowing it.

Daryl

These guys are great at just ever so slightly sign posting stuff. When the guy at the beginning was describing his wife. I was immediately, yep he killed her! Because that's a weird distancing way of describing her. How it all fitted together was obviously not as clear. So some props, but the conclusion was a bit ineffective in its delivery for me. Some great writing for the influencer. Brilliant how that personality was more dislikable that the guy in prison. 🤣 I'm still preferring the earlier episodes at lot lot more. Now the formula is on the table, the new stuff just isn't punching as well for me.

danny gibson
>>94564492

I like your comments, Ash. You're usually pretty on-point with your breakdowns of episodes 👍 I thought this was a great episode but I completely agree with you on the way they put it all together at the end....there were certain things that needed to be explained but it didn't necessarily have to been spelled out so blatantly after all the confusing wtf-ness.

danny gibson
>>94564917

Yeah, Empty Orchestra is one of my top 10 too 😊 A rare, lighthearted one with a positive ending.

Josh

The 'Quack Quack Oops' thing hit me right in the nostalgia. My dad used to always say that in the 90s. Never knew it was a radio soundbite lol.

Ben
>>94564917

Glad there's some love for Empty Orchestra! I also love Loves Great Adventure, but I think that's fairly popular anyway. The slice-of-life stories are great, as are the mind-bending episodes! A vast majority of the episodes do work for me, Thinking Out Loud just doesn't sadly.

Austin Stratton

I had actually missed this episode when I watched this show, but can I just say, the actor that played Angel absolutely NAILED the whole influencer thing... I dislike them so much and she really made my skin crawl! Really well done. The only thing I really didn't like was the way everything was just explained at the end. Every personality, the reasons behind them and their jobs.. I feel like we as the audience don't really need to be pandered to as much. I think for most of us, just Nadia talking with the different accents put it all together. Maybe people feel differently and needed the explanation but personally I felt it was a bit too 'here's what all this means in black and white' kinda thing. I don't know. Maxine Peak by the way, great to see her. Loved her in Shameless, hopefully a show that gets on here at some point. It's a long one though so maybe not.

Right Said Brett

Not a fan of this episode, personally. That's the very nature of an anthology show though; there's bound to be a few misses amongst the hits.

Saul
>>94573159

It's mostly something that exists in hollywood movies though. Apparently doesn't arise in people unless they suffered severe abuse in childhood, so it can't be spontaneously brought about by the military. They might've tried to do it(the military have tried a lot of f***ing stupid things in their long history) but they won't have succeeded in bringing it about. It's not even known whether it's something genuine and innate, or whether it's just something that psychologically suggestible people come out with under therapy as a result of a desire to conform to the pop cultural depictions of split personality(or DID as it's now called). People see it depicted on screen in fiction all the time, and as a result of(sometimes unconscious) prompting from their mental health worker they'll play up to it. It's a bit like those 'recovered memory' sessions where hypnotherapists claim to have helped patients 'retrieve' memories of childhood abuse. For a while the therapists were heroes who'd helped many victims uncover repressed memories from their past. But then people started looking closer and it turned out a lot of these cases involved the patient being prompted by the hypnotherapist when they were 'under'. The hypnotherapist often didn't realise they were even doing it, but they just kept prompting the patient, offering positive reinforcement whenever they went down mental pathways related to abuse, and subtly offering them validation the more abusive their uncovered memories turned out to be. So the patient, who tended to be highly suggestible already, started responding to the hypnotherapist's promptings and began upping the abuse to please them. So these hypnotherapists began uncovering improbably high numbers of incredibly lurid sexual abuse stories among their patients: satanic sacrifices and cults involving major public figures and more and more extreme stuff, and it often turned out that it couldn't physically have happened, and the people all had alibis. They were just responding to promptings from their mental health professional. And often neither the patient nor the therapist knew they were prompting/being prompted. So getting back to Dissociative Identity Disorder there's huge controversy as to whether the sufferers are just responding to subtle hints from their therapists, hints that the therapist might not even know they're giving out, or whether it's a real thing and there are genuinely split personalities existing inside one person's head. I tell you, I'm beginning to think hollywood isn't necessarily 100% accurate when it comes to depictions of mental health. It turns out most of the people suffering from severe anger issues don't turn green and grow seven feet tall. They just smash up other drivers' wing mirrors and twat people outside Wetherspoon's.

Saul
>>94582958

My dad always said he'd 'trod on a duck' when he farted. Or blamed a dog that had just run out of sight. That kind of thing.

Saul
>>94595587

No, I didn't enjoy this one. Although there were some excellent moments as there always are with this show. I did like the reveal of Galen in the influencer's mirror. Reminded me of Killer Bob appearing from behind the bed in Twin Peaks.

Saul

There should be some kind of app that just scans everywhere you go online and replaces the word 'influencer' with the words 'appalling human being'.

Nell Sun
>>94573159

Yeah I know it's not exclusively a military thing. But I was just mentioning that Project MK Ultra happens to involve the same kind of things. It was initially a black ops project, but the long documentation of it came out in the '70s. Officially going back to the early '50s in the US. But the Tavistock Clinic in London had already experimented on shell shocked soldiers from World War 2. (I tend to avoid Hollywood films as much as possible, but yes they certainly do touch on all sorts of topics. The only decent example of it being explained in a film I can think of is Brian De Palma's 'Dressed To Kill'.)

AfterWorkReactions
>>94564492

Thanks bud I did enjoy this one it was great 👍 That is awesome that they made the list so many times for top 100 shows 👍

AfterWorkReactions
>>94590845

I agree the actor did a great job playing an influencer. A few others have said they didn't love the ending as well so that seems to be the common thread.

Kieran B
>>94564492

They’re so bloody talented as writers and performers, and Reece especially has such imposter syndrome

BigChanChan
>>94595587

That's why I love it being on here because I can scan the comments before and see if it's worth watching as I find this show very hit and miss.