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Black Mirror Season 4 Episode 6 Black Museum (Patreon)

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arny

Edward

He also had the idea of putting someone else's conciousness in your head when they die. The Love of Two Brains

arny

yeah i remember that to. (for some reason my original message was deleted)

John

Did we already start talking about the fact that they clearly stole karls ideas yet?

Saul

No joke here: the number of really deep, significant ideas Karl stumbled upon just by pure accident is amazing. Remember when Karl asked 'how would I know which one I was?' about two exactly identical Karls...and Ricky said it was 'the stupidest thing anyone has ever said'? Turns out that's one of the deepest philosophical thought experiments on identity, Derek Parfitt's teleporter paradox. Sure, he throws in a few ideas about brains floating into bodies from outer space, but every now and then he touches upon something really deep. Always irritated me how the other two instantly dismissed it, especially since Ricky's got a degree in philosophy.

Saul

With the second mini story, about the couple who share minds, maybe the problem wouldn't be so acute if it was symmetrical, so the husband feels what she feels and it wasn't just her feeling what he feels. That's what having control really means here: feeling emotions. Without being able to feel what she feels the husband's body won't do any of the things she wants to do. The fact that the guy has empathy, so he can sort-of feel what she feels...sure, that gives her a small amount of control, ie. she can guilt trip him into doing things, or she can just nag him. But in the end he'd just switch her off. Who wouldn't? Only a saint. But if he really felt what she felt, she would immediately have the same amount of control over the body that he does. She feels pain and he feels it too? That's going to force him into avoiding the things she hates, and he'll avoid them just as desperately as if he hated them too - because, basically, now he does. And if he gets the same pleasure she does from eating a particular kind of dish? He's going to eat that dish too. And if she feels the same level of irritation that he feels when she's constantly rabbiting away as a back seat driver? Then she'll shut up, because she'll be irritating herself too. I'm not saying having her inside his head(their head?) would ever be a honeymoon in the Seychelles, but it might be a bearable setup if they both felt what the other felt. They'd both have 'control.' Or they'd both believe they did.

John

Karl even says to ricky about how he has trouble wording things when he says captured instead of saved when hes talking about being stranded on a desert island. Think thats all it is, he sounds a bit daft at times but he's obviously an out of the box thinker

Saul

It wouldn’t have been funny if they didn’t just dismiss everything he said. But they definitely misjudged some of Karl’s ideas. He’s probably just not interested but I’d bloody love it if someone made a show where Karl talks philosophy and explores these problems. Maybe Charlie Brooker could get involved. He basically did the same idea with philomena cunk , it’s just she’s fictional. Bring back Karl :)

Josh

Happy 4th of July buddy

Peter Reid

i think that the "movie producers" who spoke to karl in that episode of the ricky gervais show could have been the producers for black mirror. a couple of the ideas for episodes have been more or less exactly the same, maybe just tweaked slightly to make a bit more sense.

Saul

I'd be interested in knowing if Brooker or any of the people involved with the show have mentioned Karl and the question of whether he directly influenced any of the episodes.

Saul

Spoiler alert: next week's episode is about a monkey flying to space while dealing with a malfunctioning banana dispenser

BelladonnicHazeyJaneII

Oh I thought it was the one about that man who kept getting phone calls about his non existent wife who died in an oven fire. You know, the one whose cat didn't look happy.

mrtheevilmage

no the next story is what would a world be like if cheese had wifi

Right Said Brett

Charlie Brooker has mentioned Karl Pilkington before. He said that he wasn't inspired by Pilkington at all (as he hadn't heard the podcast at the time), but that he found it very interesting how coincidental it was that Karl hit upon the same broad ideas as he himself did.

Right Said Brett

It always infuriated me when Gervais called Karl an idiot for asking what the creatures in Gremlins were called. Gervais mocked him and replied "they're called gremlins, you idiot!". It was obvious that Karl was referring to the name Mogwai.

Vickie

I don’t really know for sure how I feel about the death penalty in general, but this repeated penalty on someone’s consciousness is far exceeding that even if the law doesn’t count them as a real person. When I was younger I was pro death penalty and it seemed so simple to think that some people deserve it. As I got older though I see that things are often not clear cut, in addition to the fact that around 10% of prisoners are estimated to be innocent. If there is no doubt about the person having done something and their crimes were beyond heinous, then I can’t say I shed a tear over their death and I think that they still get off lightly compared to their victims. However, I don’t think that it’s really a simple topic and most people who support it may feel differently about being the one to carry it out as we aren’t designed to want to hurt or kill people. Those people who paid money to be able to come and kill him and then carry a key ring of that perpetual pain makes me wonder about what kind of people they are. I’m autistic, which is often defined officially as involving an inability to feel empathy. Yes, that can be the case, but I’ve known far more people with high functioning autism who are like me and have excessive levels of empathy. Even if I know someone was an evil person, I couldn’t hurt them if they were in front of me and begging me not to. The same with the white bear episode - I can’t imagine being a part of torturing the child killer when she doesn’t remember her crime and is begging for help. I’m sure that she deserves it for what she did, but I couldn’t be a part of it. I wonder if the daughter was able to backdate things so that all of those copies would be shut down too, as otherwise her dad is still trapped in pain in so many “tourists” homes. What I like about black mirror is that it always shows that even if technology is made to use for innocent reasons, there will always be those who then want to use that thing for something immoral.

Vickie

I thought that she put him into the bear so that he would have to live there forever, but then that doesn’t make any sense since he felt the execution and they didn’t have the neural mesh or implant to make him feel the execution. I don’t understand why she took the bear otherwise though as that seems like it would be crueler than leaving her to finally be out of her misery when the place burned down.