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The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Living Witness. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars. This week they are joined by Tim Russ for a short interview about his experiences directing this episode!

Living Witness:
Reactivated after lying inactive for 700 years, a backup version of The Doctor tries to uncover the truth about war crimes supposedly committed by Voyager when they passed a planet centuries ago.

We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeill

And a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, Kate Mulgrew, & Brannon Braga

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Comments

millymilsner

Best limerick so far: I laughed out loud. I agree with Robbie and Tim that evil Harry was great. Love hearing what Tim had to say. It’s great seeing how they still get on so well.

Loretta Lane

The pajama Tuvok sleeping cartoon is everything hahahahaha

SnazzyO

Good podcast. An episode that would be more controversial in 2023 than in 1998. We have regressed. I like fluffy Tom hair! And I’m glad the cast had fun playing evil.

MG

Maybe Robbie needs to lay some blame on the writers. I'm willing to bet somewhere in the script it says "Tom Paris enters the bridge. His hair even fluffier than before." :D

MG

I'd have loved if they made Tuvok's ears move like the Andorian's antennae on Enterprise. Would have been amazingly OTT.

Lee Stroud

I would have loved, at the end of the Voyager episode if some of the people watching were of mixed heritage—a powerful symbol of their unity.

Dee McGee

I wish there had been at least one more Mirror Universe episode.

Doni Marie Sanchez

Your friend who you had to beat up did a really good job with his acting. He played the suffering really well 👍 poor thing 😆

Adam El-Hawat

I loved the interview with Tim at the end, thanks guys.

Dean Makin

One of my favourite episodes of Voyager. Fun recreation of false history with the evil Voyager crew, and a great performance (as usual) from Robert Picardo.

Ryan Wagner

So I have never written anything here or on the discord before but I felt with this episode a deep need to say a few things so here goes. First off, I have been a huge fan of this podcast; ever since I saw the first tweet just talking about doing this Delta Flyers podcast before even one episode had been done. Ever since I always look forward to Sunday nights when I can kick back and watch the podcast. I watched Voyager originally when it first came out when I was a much, much younger person. I don't recall exactly where I got up to but I do know, for reasons unknown to me now, that I had stopped watching it. I definitely wished I hadn't stopped but I have since been able to watch whatever I missed and then have repeatedly re-watched it. Living Witness has always been one of my favorite episodes of Voyager. Robert Picardo's performance is just so good, as both android and normal, that its hard not to love this episode that focuses so much on him. I've always loved the Doctor so much because he is a character that, over the course of the series, really shows growth, depth, and change over time. This episodes, to me, is one that highlights that growth in that he really has become somewhat "human" in the way that he misses the crew and "has a longing" to see what happened to them. Thank you both so much for doing this podcast. It has been wonderful getting to know you both a little better and hearing about the behind the scenes of this show that I love so much. I feel like I have learned a ton about the the inner workings of the show and by proxy, how the entertainment business is under the surface.

Andrew Murray

Paramount+ Synopsis of 04.23: "An alien species claims that the "Warship Voyager" was responsible for war crimes committed against them. " (this one sounds like the ep where the bogus crew (criminals) are posing as Voyager crew and causing trouble). Netflix: "Reactivated after lying inactive for 700 years, a backup version of The Doctor tries to uncover the truth about war crimes supposedly committed by Voyager when they passed a planet centuries ago."

Andrew Murray

The Doc did become evil briefly when all the personality sub-routines of historical figures he considered "harmless" clashed and caused "the Darkling".

Andrew Murray

At the conclusion of this episode isn't it stated that the Doctor chose to leave, and try and get back to Earth? So by the time we see the final "living witness" museum another few hundred years latter, the museum still standing but with a corrected view of their history, we're talking something like the 36th century (in time as we know it) or something crazy as long as there haven't been any 'burns', or 'big bang II' or 'fluxes', or 'time paradoxes' which may destroy the entire universe, that's beyond even Captain Braxton's time, and beyond 31st century where Discovery ends up.

Andrew Murray

Some things, across parallel universes should be constant: Janeway's beverage of choice; black coffee.

Andrew Murray

There were strains of truth to the false history. Some members of the crew were criminals. They did devise a bio-weapon against 8472. They did have multi-phase armour (whatever...one of Seven's enhancements to the ship's defenses) at one point and they did have an "army" of borg - Seven, Icheb and the borg children. the crew was multi-species and so forth. Mirror Universe Caretaker I & II: Evil Janeway would throw Starfleet protocol out the airlock, destroy the Kazon, and use the Caretaker's array to get home. What I want to know, how can you un-borgify (if that's even a term) a borg like Seven - in a mirror universe - do you make her even more human (more Annika Hansen, less Seven of Nine) or even more borg than she already is? The Doc's ship gets thrown through some anomaly that alters time and space, arrives back at Earth and realises he's in the Kelvin timeline, and Earth is now the new Romulus! Tom/Robbie's alternate alien of choice is a Cardassian in a mirror universe scenario....so maybe Chakotay is not the father of Seska's baby. (in the mirror universe....of course).

Jeremy Mcgraw

I think this episode of Voyager offers an excellent representation of how the victors of war write the history books. It offers a compelling thought that if we had a chance to speak to historical figures, would our history line up to their first-hand accounts?

Andrew Murray

I think for Be'lanna, the mirror universe Voyager would be where the Klingon/Human split versions of her could not be merged back, so they both survive, as crew members - Klingon Be'lanna becomes security, human Be'lanna continues as head of Engineering, and (for the sake of argument) Janeway would not have "restored" Tuvok and Neelix, and hence saving Tuvix (because we know what viewers think of Janeway effectively killing Tuvix...to me that's what the evil version of Janeway (in this Living Witness ep) would do, not the real Kathryn Janeway.

Andrew Murray

TNG never did mirror episodes? In any case, Data would be Lore, Picard would be growing grapes in France, his nephew Rene would be in Starfleet and Wesley Crusher would 'wish' himself "Traveller" style back to Earth, but mistakenly end up in the 21st century, so gets himself a recurring role on a certain sit- com called Big Bang Theory.😉 And remember, "thought and reality are not the same thing we assumed them to be..." And finally a "mirror universe" could explain Nic Locarno, and Tom Paris (the same but a little bit different...) 😉👍

Christopher Collins

I love Suits. I did not realize Robbie Duncan McNeil directed an episode of the final season. I enjoy the last season of Suits.

Christopher Collins

I did not realize how many of the guest stars in this episode were in other Star Trek episodes. I like the episodes like A Matter of Perspective, Manhunt. I would have never guessed the Distant Origin connection unless you all mentioned.

Matt

Love this episode, anytime they showcase the doctor it's always both entertaining and thought provoking. Plus the alternate universe, of sorts, showcasing the Voyager crew and the ship as something completely different. I don't post here all that much, but every single Monday when I start work, the Delta Flyers, is my go to for starting my week and getting my Monday off to a good start. Thank you all for this wonderful podcast, I've been listening since season 1 episode 1.

Matt

Janeway pulls off the bad-ass, ruthless Captain perfectly. If Belanna would have been able to be in this episode, her evil counterpart would have been fun to watch.

Charity Ponton

This is one of my favorite episodes!

Don Eitner

There was one more episode, in season 7, with a darker version of the Voyager crew. It was titled "Author, Author" and although a good chunk of that one plays for comedy (in particular Tom Paris' rewrite of the Doctor's holo-novel) we get Evil Janeway and Evil Tuvok in that one.

sab ewell

My Favorite thing is how for not being in the episode, B'Elanna is mentioned in this podcast episode a lot 🤣🤣🤣 so that makes me happy. This was a super fun one.

sab ewell

Oh and thanks for bringing my question to Tim Russ too hahahaha all of your answers were great!

Tashicat

This is dumb/nerdy, but couldnt mirror Tom just be Nick Locarno? :p also, idk why but this episode always seems so short to me compared to others. I love how Tim signed off with the vulcan salute <3

Tashicat

i think closest TNG got to mirrorverse was yesterdays enterprise but they werent evil, just more hardcore :)

Mary Burch

Well, now we know the real reason Harry never got promoted: not evil enough!

David Turner

This episode is really thought provoking regarding history and it’s recording of events. Beside the entertainment value in watching the regular cast play evil doppelgängers of their normal characters it really makes you sit back and think how will people see us and events many hundreds of years hence. I also think there could be a potential story the backup doctor turning up in a future trek set maybe not the time the discovery is now in but another series set far in the distant future.

Mary Burch

Also, I thought Harry as a sadist was a really good decision; Prime Harry is enthusiastic about his job, so it makes sense that Evil Harry would be the same.

James Morrow

Thank you to Rebecca for all the wonderful animations and for her hard work editing this episode. Terry Bradshaw-looking Tom and Dredlocks Tuvok were my faves :-)

Stephanie

I think all the "pearl clutching" over the 1619 project shows how afraid of history people are. Many people like their rose colored glasses view of history but you know what they say "If history always shows you in a good light it is propaganda not history!"

Irene Artho

I wonder if the people at the museum at the very end actually watched the whole "episode", so basically we watched people watching other people watching a twisted Voyager episode :D Why on Earth would they think that Voyager would want to get back to Mars? I guess the whole Sol solar system was in their corrupted database somewhere and I guess Mars shows up as populated, but how they would come up with Mars is still a riddle to me. Also, what happened to the worm whole in the actual story? The shortcut they were promised? Or was that whole part wrong as well. If so, where did they get that bit from..? Excellent choice for Harry to slide under the railing on the bridge!

Nancy Lapierre

Will have to wait a long time for author author

James Morrow

So freaking true. Some people can’t even get past the idea that their ancestors did very bad things because-somehow-that affects their ego.

Bruce

I hope one of the admirals brought up that Janeway mentioned 'Deck 2 Section 31' in this episode. Turns out that Section 31 made its debut earlier the same month on DS9.

John Serafino

One of my favorite episodes. Was looking forward to this podcast for a while. Looking forward to "Timeless" now...

Kassandra

It's cool to know, that out there is a Harry Kim, who is not an Ensign, although it's an evil one. As a German I am curious what Garrett is going to teach in the language lesson in the next season 😊

Lisa Minnesma

Thank you for having Tim Russ on the podcast!!! It’s so enjoyable when you guys chat with members of the cast!

bakura

No I know exactly what B'Elanna would look like had she been in this episode. They would have mistaken her for a full klingon rather than a half klingon and so roxan would have had a lot more prosthetics.

Lisa Minnesma

Garrett, you don’t have to say “random observation” after each comment during your rewatch. We know they’re random observations ☺️. We appreciate your comments though! 😊

Christopher Collins

As a History major this is one episode I appreciate. If anyone ever asks why is it important to learn history then this is an episode to reference because it shows just how far history can be misunderstood and rewritten.

Luise

Poor Harry. Only promoted in fake history :'(

Kare Hinners

I don't think TNG had a "mirror universe" episode, either.

Kris Hansen

I love Tim Russ' smile and hearty laugh, which we almost never get to see in episodes. The cartooning in this podcast was particularly spectacular!

Kris Hansen

I have been learning a lot of history that I was not taught in school, so this episode resonates with me quite a bit. I wonder what @GarrettWang thinks about the history he learned in K-12 and the gaping holes in it.

Luise

I can't wait for Garrett's German classes. Das wird sehr lustig ;-b

Luise

FINALLY got around to this. I love this Voyager episode, and I loved the commentary. Really cool to hear Tim's thoughts, too, and when he made the Vulcan salute at the end it warmed my heart. Sooo cool to see you guys are still close after all these years!

Eric Leitman

There were two episodes that roxanne was not in. Unforgettable and Living Witness. The last episode she was in before her baby was the Omega Directive. It was discussed that she had to leave the set early in that episode.

Eric Bennett

Right, exactly what I was going to say. I think there are some comics with the TNG crew in alternate realities (for both TNG and VOY), but no episodes.

ST Fan CB

Funny how they mentioned several times how Roxanne was not in this episode but never mentioned in the Unforgettable recap that she was not in that episode either. When the museum curator is showing the vid of Voyager, the placement of the podium controlling the presentation is placed almost directly in front of the screen. How can a group view this vid without having half of it blocked out by the curator's head? I just want to get the time line correct because the boys stated it several different ways at different times. When the Doctor was re-activated, 700 years had past. At the end of the episode, it was stated that the curator died 6 years after those events and that the Doctor served in some capacity for "many years" until he struck out for Earth. So there was NOT 700 years plus 700 years or whatever time the boys came up with. It is 700 + an undermined amount of years when he left for Earth.

Adina Ringler

I love this episode...if we could bottle Tim's laugh.... I need to remember when I am feeling a bit down or the day is dragging...I need to come back to this and listen to him laugh. Again, great to see the cast had (and still have) fun!

Rachelle H

This episode is definitely a warning for real life. In America now, people are trying to erase history and they are breaking down monuments, when instead of trying to erase the past we should learn from the past

Jill Deyoe

I would love to see Robbie's alternate musical reality.