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Death to all other movie podcasts! Long live the New Mindset!

Today we are joined by Nick Newman of The Film Stage to take a trip inside the bodies and spaces of Canada through the early films of our Northern neighbor’s finest cultural export: David Cronenberg. 

In Shivers (1975), the clean, manicured luxury of an apartment complex becomes the site of disgust, shit, blood, and the total breakdown of society as an epidemic of parasitic leeches spread through sexual contact and turn the infected into, for lack of a better term, fuck-zombies, acting out the most compulsive and taboo instincts of the human animal.

Then in Rabid (1977) an experimental skin graft procedure gives a young woman an exiting new organ and soon she finds herself becoming patient zero for the outbreak of a rabies-like disease that threatens to destroy Montreal. 

Both films demonstrate an embryonic form of the clinical Cronenberg style which takes an epidemiological view humanity and sexuality, combining the intellectual and visceral to create extreme and upsetting metaphors for why sex is scary.

You can read Nick’s interview with Cronenberg here:

https://thefilmstage.com/life-is-suffering-david-cronenberg-on-kidney-stones-nfts-and-crimes-of-the-future/

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Eric Murphy

I remember my first fuck zombie....

Christian Johnson

NGL I enjoy listening to these even though I know that I probably will never see the majority of these movies

Blank

Oh yeah I don’t like horror movies but Will and Hesse are such a delight

demonsweat

That last scene of Rabid is so bleak, damn

Tim O'

There's a shot in Shivers where one of the little monsters goes down someone's throat and there's suddenly this big lump that, like, pulsates out of their neck, and I almost threw up when I saw it. Pretty good movie 🍿🍿🍿

Eric Murphy

The main character in shivers also reminds me of friend of MM Donald Sutherland

Christian Johnson

I agree that those two have good chemistry, truth be told I like music way better than movies, but it's all good

Drew

I really don't know if I'm brave enough for these 😂

Brian Taulbee

Cronenberg is also underrated as an actor. He’s FANTASTIC as the serial killer psychiatrist in Barker’s film Nightbreed. Easily more terrifying than any of the monsters, and ranking right up there with Lecter.

Eric Murphy

Speaking of club random y'all should do "House 2" it features a youngish Bill Maher presumably playing himself. I.e. a creeper

Matthew

We got a whole planet of Cronenbergs walking around down there, Morty

Christian Johnson

Does he call himself the n-word in this motion picture?

Frances Mary

One of the nicest aspects of being Canadian is Canadian content broadcasting rules meant that Cronenberg was surprisingly available on TV growing up. Both of these were very early faves for me.

Blank

I’m curious for Will/hesse’s thoughts on violence against women/sexual violence in horror movies. Not just ethics of its depiction but its significance, how it’s depicted by different directors etc. I find it pretty viscerally upsetting and difficult to handle

IPritch

Henry Zebrowski from last podcast on the left has a pretty good story about being let into the wrong room at a doctors office and being greeted by a bent over David Cronenberg’s asshole directed at the door. Talk about body horror

andrew rogers

He's great in it yea. way terrifying than the monsters by default because the monsters are all friendly and nice!

andrew rogers

I'm planning to marathon the House sequels this month, ty for the warning on the Maher jump scare

Doug Cartel

"We're trying to watch a nice romantic movie and all we can hear is you screaming about injecting DNA into an egg"

andrew rogers

eh it's good but it would make more sense for them to just cover more cronenberg or tetsuo or seconds or any of the great movies by which the substance was clearly inspired

Joey Fazzoli

Man I regret listening to this one

MCL

I for one welcome the new flesh

MCL

Nightbreed is insane, best makeup and what’s with the raw egg drink? A+

justdave

We see you. We hear you. We arghh YoOuuu!

Will Menaker

Also great as the hitman at the end of To Die For

Katie Doyle

While I would probably agree that David Cronenberg is our greatest cultural export I think whoever wrote the description forgot that James Cameron is also Canadian

Paul Xanders

Hesse keeps talking about a scene in Shivers where St. Luc shoots a "young gay guy" who has just killed "an old guy," and I think she saw the scene where St. Luc shoots Nick and got confused?

Hall wingfield

I'm not talking about MM they should talk about it on Chapo

Hall wingfield

Because I liked the movie and I like hearing the boys talk about movies I liked? What a weird question

Robert Aitken

Will already has people yelling at him on letterboxd and twitter for saying it’s mid

K H

I have been watching various recommendations from this podcast. Proof podcasts can be praxis.

K H

Varies from movie to movie. Evil Dead director had some regrets as I recall. Definitely some male id reaching through the 4th wall on many occasions. I wawatched Skelton Key on tubi and was surprised at how sexualized the female protagonist(Kate Hudson?) was for no reason.

Jacob Harris

Great episode. This show has introduced me to Cronenberg, Altman, and Wilder - keep up the good work!

buttface

Do something new, different, creative. Fuck movies.

Yarblockos

You'll forgive me if I don't stay around to watch. I just can't cope with freaky stuff.

Tim O'

Don't worry, we've got two more Vincent Price movies coming up and they're more fun than scary.

Tim O'

Cronenberg gets murdered by Jason in Friday the 13th Part 10!

Connor Schoen

To correct some information here, I Spit on your Grave was not the first rape/revenge film. That honor belongs to Ingmar Bergman's The Virgin Spring (1960), which would later inspire Wes Craven's Last House on the Left (1972).

Christopher Farley

I've gotten used to Will's... idiosyncratic pronunciations, but hearing him say "taboo" like that 5 times in a row was really a bridge too far

C. Ries

Almost counteracts Drake and Jordan Peterson

ResilientBastard

Phenomenal ep. Any live screenings on the horizon? Roxy? Idk if Spectacle in WBurg does commison so to speak, but it’s a great diy venue.

John Lisowy

Shoutout to SUNY Purchase

Christian Johnson

Hesse's Vincent Price imitation is what will make them fun

Christian Johnson

If his performance as the psychiatrist is so great, why doesn't Donald Trump mention the character in speeches the way he references Hannibal Lecter?

C. Ries

I went to the pool there

Ctrane

Get a job

Robert Aitken

those already exist they’re called pornos

Daniel

Banger. I thought this in season 1 MM but i feel my mind expanding listening to these… will and hesse are just so damn good at watching and talking about movies

Dildo Saggins

I saw The Fly when I was about 7 and am 41 now and can still see the ear scene as vividly as I did back then

Lorean Martin

Heard this podcast and went to find a Cronenberg on my streaming. Only had Crimes of the Future available. I’m so grossed out.

Zach G

I say Cronenberg, Cameron, Jewison are the Canadian top 3. Maybe throw Villenueveuaauaaa in there too as a more recent pick

Hot Rod

1:01:20(!?)

Hot Rod

1:31:44. 1:33:30. Folks, a six PERIODT episode.

Michelle

I cannot tell you how many times I watched Dead Ringers when I was 15-16. Jeremy Irons was born to play Eliot and Beverly. Tried to watch it again after many years and couldn’t deal with it at all. Being a woman of a certain age who has had “lady problems” makes it hit much, much differently. I’ve also learned it’s vaguely based on a true story, and that’s just bananas.

Scott Grabel

My fav scene in Rabid was the DPW guys drilling through the car door, as the men scream in incomprehension, because you usually don’t see zombies good at handling tools.

OtherRussert

I saw Naked Lunch in the theaters; not a week – or maybe a month at most – goes by without me thinking of it.

M Varnzo

So Shivers is about meth?

Jenkum Terry

I love Crimes of the Future so much can't wait for The Shrouds

helvetica.hottie

Lest we forget the amazing surgical wear in Dead Ringers.

Michael S. Judge

Sometimes I wish I was a David Thewlis-type guy

Ernest Ambrus

The most beautiful user name. I hope you have a great week.

Erik Weissengruber

Dan O’Bannon created the xenomorph in Alien as an assault on the male id.

Patrick Taffe

Imagine my shock having only seen Scanners and Eastern Promises only to learn from this episode that those are the "tame" ones in Cron's repertoire

Patrick Taffe

He was on the Chapo Halloween episode from a few years back playing the founder of the 1960s satanism movement; Henry is one of the funniest voice actors in the business

Chantz

Yeah I was looking to see if anyone said this before commenting myself... he shoots Nick because he's looming over the corpse of the Pickle Doctor lol, not because of any gayness

Equality State Of Mind

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that "hot gay guy" who gets shot actually the husband character that Hesse hates?

Methuselah Obama

Is there more to this season. I’m late to the game and finished your back log. Now I have nothing 😢