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Before addressing the news of the day, Will & Kath catch up with Felix on their re-watch of beloved series BANSHEE, which segues nicely into discussion of the baffling firebombing of the Pennsylvania governor's mansion. We then move on to the increasingly horrific and blatantly illegal renditions of American residents into foreign prisons, and the further construction of Fortress America. We also look at potential democratic responses, from Cory Booker’s filibuster, to Kamala slowly stepping back into the spotlight, and finally Bernie & AOC’s recent rally in LA. 

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JDF

1st

Goonba

Nepo baby inbound

Goonba

Man I would love to be will’s girlfriend dawg I could finally call my king daddy 🤤

Justin Racine

Will give credit where it's due: Zero Day did get it right it would be incoherent centrists who would be future terrorists .3.

Eamon Short

Decreccio huh, That's a name I haven't heard in a loonnnggg time.

Travis

Felix begins speaking at 1 minute and 26 seconds today

Shiv

Kath Time!

JDF

Banger

Rhys Hayes

I don’t know where else to put this, so I’ll ask it here - is anyone else starting to find Chapo too hard/sad to listen to nowadays? The double shot of Bernie losing and Matt’s stroke seems to have ripped the heart out of the show. I’ve been listening to a lot of old episodes lately, and it’s really confirmed for me that Matt and Amber were always the intellectual and emotional engine rooms of these conversations (and that Virgil, all accusations aside, is sorely missed as a comedic straight man). This version of the show just feels broken and empty, an obligation that Will, Felix and Chris clock in for twice a week to fill their quota at the Patreon factory. It fucking sucks, man, and it makes me hope Eephus is so wildly successful that they can all fully pivot to that bougie producer life forevermore.

JDF

lol ok bro whatever you say

JDF

brainiac has spoken

J

When the consequences arrive I will reach near untold levels of schadenfreude. Recompense for having to watch fascists draw and quarter this country.

Maggie+Al

say what you want about chairman bob he would set up the American stasi

Nico

Matt's absence is sorely felt.

Nico

Will is too kind to us. We are, in fact, ugly pigmen and pigwomen.

Nico

And nonbinary pigpersons

Victor in Brooklyn

I think we are all living in a version of this world that we would rather not be living in.

interzoa

improvised fascism from the most lumpen bourgeois, in every direction at once, like groping a dark room with a knife.

Nate Wood

safest country in the world?

Amir Šabanović

That’s okay, I’ll still keep drinking that garbage.

Special Adeline

Does anybody know who's singing "Don't think twice, it's alright" in the outro? Really like this version of it but can't figure out who it is

delle_chiaie

I'd like to avoid electoral formalities by mobilizing all the chapo fighter pilots and gun nuts

Blank

Caths up for Kath

Mauve_Avenger

I want another tabletop RPG episode series immediately

Gene Parmesan

Well done, all. I really needed a funny episode today and you delivered.

Eamonn Curley

Nice to see a bit of fire back on Chapo in the last half the show.

Clammy_Damp

Shoutout to Giancarlo Esposito in Do the Right Thing

Soda enthusiast

Maxwell Frost took a lot of money from SBF and called putin a communist.

Ian John

It’s a Sunoco that’s directly across from the governors mansion

Jessica

can my home state stop doing insane things please

SparkSolidarity

Will and Kath talking over each other is why I pay for this podcast.

Matelda

Part of what's happening is that the terrifying immigrant gangs that Trump promised to purge do not really exist, at least not as described. They had to kidnap a bunch of dads with speeding tickets and say they're "gangs" because the roving hoards of un-policed foreign criminals that MAGA obsessed over literally do not exist.

SparkSolidarity

Props to them for half calling out Bernie.

CS

Skip to 11:29 if you don’t enjoy it when your little nephew manically explains his favorite TV show to you.

demonsweat

12:23 Farabundance Martí National Liberation Front

Eamon Short

For real. I listened to all the Tabletop Game Theory eps over and over. To get access to Rise of the Unblooded was and Hell on Earth is why I signed up to pateron. Then they kept hitting homeruns with Movie Minded and Seeking a Fren at the End of the World that I stuck around

T33ny

And ofc that leads to maga pledgers posing as ICE agents and blackwater supplying the prison space

T33ny

Thank you so fucking much

Skwilly

“Weapons Sistrens”

Jed Levin

It must have been one of those mini-eclairs, right?

Hardcore Virgin

Is Felix confusing his grandpa with buster keaton?

Emily Richardson

Kath and Felix always have the best chaotic conversation energy. It’s one of my fav combos of the show.

Throw Away

YQNG, follow the universal balanced rabbit

Sam

Felix on fire on this one

Peri

if you happen to find it pls share!! i’ve been looking for like an hour lol

Ryan

Please god do a full Banshee episode with Katherine

Sammy Sneed

Don't jail trump. That makes him a martyr. Just release the Epstein files. People are too afraid of what it would mean to the prestige of the Office and our country at large. Well he already fucked that. So expose him in the Epstein files

CS

Any time

kitty pavlova

yeah man any day now the big epstein list where they rank each celebrity and politician by children molested is going to come out because it is definitely real

Sammy Sneed

The coming out part is much more doubtful than its existence

drizzly_november

The idea that just-one-more-document-release! will bring down Trump and the sicko elites is just Mueller for trueanon listeners. You could publish shitty xerox'd pdfs of the Book of Life, and half the country wouldn't believe it, the other half wouldn't give a shit.

Mark Murphy

They're turning America into Israel

Drew McGill

Forever calling popularist pop sodaists moving forward.

Sammy Sneed

Sure redacted, unredacted, edited, faked, every excuse can be made, but there's more than paper documents, allegedly Regardless, there is some damning kompromat that could be used but because of decorum it hasn't yet

T33ny

Matt nailed it on the head. A future socialist potus can ignore court orders, deport conservatives by deeming them gang members, and crash the stock market all becausr the Trump admin laid the grounds of legal precedent. Hello Trump v USA

Damen Irving

Stupids for a democratic society

T33ny

Yup, that will end Trump. Not the ignoring the judiciary, Jan 6, doge, et al. Way to fall into the conservative parameters of debate, "everyone i hate is a pedo"

Chris

What would exposing him in the Epstein files while also not jailing him accomplish? Just letting everyone know that we had a chance to prosecute a child molester (who also committed many other crimes) and chose not to because of the political fallout? Honestly curious what your endgame is here

Michael Naatjes

Re "Fight the Oligarchy": It is 100% a war of capturing any whiff of revolutionary sentiment and smothering it by comodifying it. They did this with BLM. They're doing it now. Controlled opposition. We've seen this movie before.

Sammy Sneed

Maybe you can jail him eventually, but jailing him without due process, playing by their rulebook so to speak just makes him a martyr. If you can make MAGA hate him first then that's a different story

Sam Bondurant

That escape from New York bit fucking NAILS this current moment holy shit.

Sam Bondurant

Love the Weigel and Roth eps but that 3-4 min is some of the best chapo I’ve heard in years.

thicchatlogan

why do you assume that the conservatives who voted on the basis of tariffs and punishing immigrants would care about any of that stuff? if anything they would just write it off as more fake news from the woke media.

Emily Richardson

WHAT?! I think Chris has become my fav. He always has top notch insights

Sammy Sneed

I think seeing videos of him peeing on underage girls would probably upset even them. Not all of them, but enough to end maga as a voting block. Or we can just let him continue to destroy everything and MAGA is completely destitute and dying from starvation. All this is theoretical. We all know the Democrats are not going to jail him, no Epstein files or media will be released. Nothing going to stop the rest of the world from divorcing itself from the US. The damage is done, and Trump likely walks away unscathed

Ian H

Yeah as far as I've ever been able to tell Tren de Aragua may not even meaningfully exist outside of a few Venezuelan, Colombian and Brazilian prisons and was just a bogeyman for Latin American governments like Peru and Chile before getting adopted as such by the U.S. I think the other fundamental driver behind the spectacular cruelty the administration is clinging to is that they're still not really able to exceed Biden admin deportation numbers, so they lash out at a few pro-Palestine student visa holders, Venezuelan guys on TPS, or random German engineers in these lurid, headline-grabbing ways to give the impression of a mass deportation wave that isn't yet happening.

thicchatlogan

you realize that we live in a world now where video is more easily faked than ever and even regular people are aware of that, right? do you really think that the kind of people that have voted for trump three times - despite knowing what we already know to be true about him - will just admit they were wrong and move on from maga? he admitted on an audio recording that he sexually assaults women, it was one of the biggest stories of the 2016 election, and he's still gotten elected twice. the other person in this thread was right, this is just the mueller report for trueanon listeners.

Hog_bawls

lol DJT is Pink from “The Wall”

Ian H

Yeah Buggin' Out is kinda the bungler they were hoping for.

Shane-A112

it makes me feel better when the maoist dog comes out a bit if the Chapo boys. felt less lonely when it was insinuated that we may need to get rid of the amerikkkan treatlerite dogs of the wmpire

Sammy Sneed

Aí deepfakes arent undetectable. Anyways, putting him in jail isn't going to happen, but it would backfire if it did. Maga would have to be pretty destitute to move on from Trump, agreed. There's no good solution; jjailing him isn't going to solve anything

plainwrap

The right wing making America universally shitty happened immediately after a black guy became president. In their eyes the nation is permanently soiled and the only thing to do is have a civic riot and smash it all to pieces.

Thomas Stevens

All this discussion of potential 2028 Democratic candidates and nobody even mentions the dark horse Joe Brandon. He’s the only person who has ever defeated Trump!

Luisa

I fell out at “Faboloso”

Matelda

The fact that the enemy is a phantasm will not prevent atrocities. It was a lot easier than it should have been to convince Americans in suburbia to look around and see an "invasion." This is how genocides happen.

thicchatlogan

of course it's possible to detect altered images, the point is that you could show the average trump supporter video evidence of him assaulting underage girls on epstein's island, verified to be unaltered by a panel of forensic experts, and they will still absolutely not believe it because they saw someone on fox or facebook or whatever saying it's not real. these people can't even feel cognitive dissonance anymore, let alone reconcile it with new information.

Sammy Sneed

The odds of them believing it are not any worse than Democrats throwing Trump in jail, especially in the manner prescribed

Sam Zeng

Yeah they are trying to revitalize the Democratic Party. AOC and Bernie needs to be seen as Democrats first and foremost.

james

Sometimes I put on Chapo and it’s like we live on different planets

Sam

That shit a few weeks ago where a Puerto Rican family was detained at like a fucking shopping mall terrifies me. My wife has tattoos and her birthplace is listed as PR on her passport, what are the odds an ICE guy knows where that is. Shit is keeping me up at night.

james

Josh Shapiro’s smoke alarm was chirping at that press conference

thicchatlogan

man I'm not even saying putting him in prison would solve all our problems but it would absolutely have more positive impact than this fantasy you're indulging in where a news drop that every maga person would immediately dismiss and forget about within a week would have any effect beyond giving libs ammo for online arguments

Ksizzle

Only the stupid are addicted to pornography…yells the man addicted to video games

Michael S. Judge

DiCreccio ... I haven't heard that name for a long fuckin' time

Sammy Sneed

I think you're misunderstanding. It's not a binary, either-or proposition. I'm just saying there needs to be more public support than current exists prior to mailing him. And again, either event actually occuring are extremely unlikely

The Steel Harvest

100% Banshee. I feel like Charming just doesn't have enough Amish Mafiosos to draw me in.

Matt

So glad that Felix brought this back to the bush administration. They absolutely set the groundwork for what is happening now.

nick

Actual tyranny is upon us

nick

There are no files that spell out who molested which kids and when

C. Andrew

The podcast getting worse, not worth arguing about, but is likely just a reflection of literally everything getting worse. The podcast could be the best it's ever been, but it wouldn't matter, because the pressure enshitification is too great. If you're looking to a podcast to provide you with meaning or guidance, it's always gonna be a letdown.

Doug Cartel

"He gets stronger the more violently you beat him" oh ok this I'd just live action DBZ

Sammy Sneed

I mean, I don't think any of us know. What's actually on hand. The point is jailing him will backfire without more public support first. Once you get that then the sky is the limit

K H

Another insane Felix phobia revealed.

Robert

RCP mentioned!!!!

DT

We honestly could do with a cultural revolution in this country. Raze every Cheesecake Factory and Walmart to the ground, publicly execute Trapt, it'll be good.

Ksizzle

Very real thoughts and reflections on the dire state of america.. harsh to take but understanding reality is the first step to changing it

Ashley-tray

america has been doing israel shit way longer than israel

T

I appreciate Chapo more and more all the time. I've stopped listening to any other political podcasts or seeking out any political news. It's never been clearer that Chapo is the absolute best podcast that has anything to do with politics. And they're doing it mostly without Matt and Amber!

Collin Hotchkiss

Pretty sure it was Maggie Rogers + Joan Baez from the rally on Saturday

danny

more kath🙏

thicchatlogan

dude your plan for getting the public support you need for putting him in prison is to release files and videos that may or may not exist and that will be dismissed out of hand immediately by anyone that believes in the trump political project, it's totally incoherent. everyone who cares already knows trump did epstein stuff and it has done literally nothing except maybe help a few people feel like they won arguments with their grandparents on facebook.

Matt

You leave Trapt alone! Headstrong!

Sammy Sneed

First, it's not incoherent. Second, you're making a false, binary assumption about the voting populace. There is certainly polarization but it's not so extreme that there isn't a significant amount of the electorate that could be affected by some sort of kompromat against him. Finally, what other options are there to jail him without it backfiring and making him a martyr? Becoming a martyr to the hardcore maga base is alone sufficient to causing a bigger problem-- that of perpetrating Trumpism beyond Trump's life

AB

Most distant Chris laugher in the mixes, thank you

thicchatlogan

Amber's brain is totally cooked at this point, she was on when the Columbia protests started and was immediately dismissive of them because "oh they'll all just be bourgeois PMC zionists in ten years anyway, who cares", as if she's done anything other than be wrong on a podcast once every few months since the last Bernie campaign

MCL

33:33 we’re making America into isreal.

Michael

I mean Sanders and AOC are the only ones actively trying to channel political opposition on any major scale that I am seeing. All the “Revolutionary Socialists” that I am aware of are just media personalities chasing clout who aren’t connected to any real political project.

thicchatlogan

okay, let's say you decide to release a video of trump fucking an underage girl, where does it get released that it will have the intended effect? TV channels wouldn't/can't show that and audio alone is too easily faked, X or facebook or tiktok would take every measure they can to keep it suppressed, and the old people that make up the voting base wouldn't ever see it on some random forum, so that leaves... what?

Sammy Sneed

You don't have to show trump in the act. He just has to be on the island with the underage girls. The full video will make its way out to the public eventually Again, I'm open to other strategies, but what are they? If you release the video, the maga base is merely dismissive, and the fence voters would plausibly be affected. If a Democrat administration jails him without due process, the maga base is incited and Trumpism will extend into the next generation. If there are other weapons at our disposal, let's entertain them. But for now, it looks like is the economy has to become so bad, the citizen renditions so widespread that it effectively destroys maga for trump to face jail etc without becoming a martyr

Yarblockos

Cody Balmer deserves a Paul Schrader biopic.

Ksizzle

Naw i got smart people addictions

NewTooshFatoosh

Better these pricks than elementary schools. We’re seeing a new development in the lone gunman, and the wealthy are just hoping they go back to shooting 3rd graders.

Ant koz

My biggest problem with Bernie’s rallies is most Americans think “oligarchy” is a fancy type of burger at Ted’s Montana grill… can we not just get somebody at a fucking podium who’s message is “the people claiming ‘the third world is taking advantage of America’ are the very same people who offshored American manufacturing for cheap goods. They created the largest wealth disparity in the history of humanity and hoarded more wealth than anyone ever on the backs of cheap Asian labor as did all their friends buying their stocks, and if you think they’re doing anything now but trying to find another way to increase profit for another quarter century you are the stupidest American in a country of the stupidest people ever to be stupid.”…. Oligarch burger sound kinda fire tho…

Jackson

I think school shootings are still happening man

Jackson

Truly and honestly things feel really really bad and I really am struggling to see a good direction coming. I'm feeling so much deep despair about the future just thinking about where everything has led in just my own lifetime

MCL

Hey can I teach Introduction to Varg Vikernes at chapo university? Where can I apply

Jackson

I mean their attendance has been very good in rural and deep red areas so I don't feel like "oligarchy" being too big of a word for Americans seems to be hurting them too much

Chuck

So good. Congrats on being able to afford a second room and a door now, but reminds me how much I miss the Chris laugh track.

Naked Shitter

What are the odds on a member of Chapo being imprisoned for political speech and why is it most likely gonna be Matt Christman?

Devin Poore

Bernie and AOC have been explicitly and consistently calling out the Democrats as essentially a feckless party and they have been vocal at these rallies that the Dems also take billionaire money and that's a problem. Bernie recently said people need to run for office to resist what's happening with Trump, but they needn't think they have to run as a Democrat precisely because of these critiques. Not sure why the Chapo gang is acting like that's not the case here. I know they want to be mad at Bernie, but this is just dishonest bullshit. Bernie also recently led an effort to block more arms sales to Israel, but our government is entirely in the hands of a fascist madman at the moment so of course it failed. Yes, it would've failed under Biden too, but expecting Bernie to pull a John Brown or something at 83 years old over this issue is a ridiculous purity test. They spend the episode rightly decrying the ongoing horrors of the Trump administration, but then go out of their way to bitch and moan when Bernie and AOC do SOMETHING to try and light a match for the resistance, a resistance based on an accurate characterization of the rot that undergirds our system. Chapo has been a valuable resource for me. I've appreciated the exposure to a political perspective that's effectively non-existent in this country at a mainstream level, but this kind of pathological pessimism (while I empathize at times) is annoying af.

Wyatt the Wallaby

Nah their into that hentai shit… for the purpose of studying of course

Oak & Sun Saga

I feel similarly. I understand their sense of disillusionment after such a painful quarter century but this will have been a very short time when people look back on it. Anything really could happen.

Ksizzle

You are only able to capitalize on the rays of hope available to you my friend. Lean on flesh and blood connection and seek it if you dont have many, keeps us sane

Bushwald

Their issue seems to be "_what_ are Bernie and AOC doing?" I have the same question. Great, they had a rally and told people to run for office. Ok, what is that accomplishing? If I do a little dance and say it's a about stopping Trump, am I doing something? Where is the concrete call to action? What are _they_ doing, besides telling everyone else to do something? That's not cynicism. The situation is dire. More of the same power-of-positive-thinking SocDem posturing is meaningless and it's good to question it.

Studio Novaya by Fredrick Edward

How are you talking about this in any terms other than: CRISIS. It isn’t deportation even which supposes due process. It is DISAPPEARING people. That’s where we are at. They’re not testing. They are just executing project 2025 and enacting authoritarianism and liberals continue hand-wringing

Devin Poore

Bushwald, what are they doing??? Bitch, they're running all over the country organizing resistance. The real question is what the fuck are YOU doing? Just bitching on the internet. That's what. The real fight is just getting started and you're already pussying out and congratulating yourself for setting arbitrary purity tests that people like Bernie will never be able to meet just so you can feel better about your own apathy. That's coward shit. Bernie's been speaking truth to power his whole fucking life and I'm sick of the bullshit slander he deals with from his own damn side.

Brian Pierson

Totally agree. Treating people like they are stupid and don’t understand the word oligarchy is not the answer. I remember looking up words because my favorite bands used them in lyrics. I don’t know what the answer is but it’s certainly not dumbing it down for people in red or rural areas.

Chuck

Meh. They updated the implementation slightly to take advantage of an opportunity (racism = playing with cheat codes in US politics) but the plan was in place long before.

Matthew Dunn

I mean I don’t think Will and Felix are going to give up their very comfortable lives to organize some kind of long march through the Appalachian mountains. But like they said I do like to see Bernie and AOC trying to go out and get support.

Oliver Clozov

i agree with will's comments last week that rather than this being the death of neoliberalism, come 2028 unless a major break happens, we are going to see the democrats throw a replacement-level candidate up and say "hey, don't you miss being stomped on politely?"

Matthew Dunn

Much of what is happening is a very good prediction that was made by Christian Parenti in his 2010 book “Tropic of Chaos”. In it he summarized how climate change, neoliberalism, and Cold War arms were making the Global South harder and harder to live in. When this happened, more refugees would seek shelter in the northern nations of the world. This would then lead nations like the US to become what he called “The Armed Lifeboat”, shutting themselves off from refugees violently. Very prescient work.

The Pissler

as a non-binary hog them, thank you

Tristan Abbott

It’s pretty disingenuous to not acknowledge how much left wing Identity Folx demonized free speech over the last decade. We decided that our culture war concerns were so important we couldn’t have any foundational values or principles that might undermine them, and the right pounced on that.

thicchatlogan

are you seriously implying that squishy corporate liberal DEI initiatives and trans day of visibility were the slippery slope that led to people being detained and/or deported for protesting the genocide in Gaza?

Oliver Compton

What is the outro song 🥲🥹 so beautiful

K H

TrueAnon listeners will remember pod etiquette, but for others who aren't cultured, please make sure to unsubscribe from your podcasts shortly before seeking Valhalla. Make sure to immediately subscribe at the highest available tier to Pod Save America and New York Times. Propaganda of the deed supersedes any manifesto. Avoid unnecessary elaboration.

Dang

"the left got a little too PC so we had to elect a fascist"

Dang

In that scenario do you think it would be better to vote for them anyway, given how bad things have gotten within 3 months? Still not reconning with the responsibility here eh

Dang

Agreed, but to go any further they'd have to recon with how proudly they were saying they couldn't be bothered vote against Trump so... Gotta attack the Dems to balance things out

Dang

"nobody warned us 😭"

Dang

Looks like those Clowns the Dems did it again What a bunch of clowns

Oliver Clozov

i think if the next 4 years continue to accelerate at the rate they've been going in the last 3 months, then in 2028 voting probably won't change who's in power lol

K H

Jesus. You think dipshit redditors and idpol jihadists on twitter provided the cultural groundwork for ICE gestappo? They were just annoying people. I am also annoyed by them, but to think they in anyway caused this is various slurs they would be upset about me saying. Nazis burn books and deport people and demand canceling The Simpsons. It's their whole thing. Mid bussy septim piercings WISH they had the cultural capital to affectuate political and physical violence like we're seeing. No one with actual power takes cues from the weak people who can only validate themselves by annoying you. They had nothing to do with what is happening.

Agent Grange

"I've been trying to identify what this iteration of conservativism is about." Easy, it's about turning the United States into Israel. Everything you said after that point just described Israel. American conservatives are domestic Likudniks.

Chuck

This x1000. Even if AOC and Bernie are totally earnest, the Democratic Party definitely intends to use them as a lightning rod. Draw all the insurgent energy into a controlled space, then safely dissipate it.

Brian Taulbee

Most pharmaceuticals aren’t made here. They’re made in Europe. That’s why Trump wants to tariff them (and why Europe can effectively prevent red states from performing lethal injections).

Miles_B

I can't help but agree with Felix's assessment that fixing things - like for real - is going to require a true Machiavellian who is willing to break the law and do harm to our enemies to make sure no one thinks of trying this again. Is AOC that person? I'm not sure. But I think the rallies and the energy around them are a good thing regardless.

Brian Taulbee

It’s why I hate referring to the Salvadorean facility as a prison. It’s not. Prisons are where people who have gone through some level of due process go, even if it’s a sham. This is a concentration camp.

Tea for the Tillerman

Run on a campaign of making Marco Rubio do the Nelson Muntz walk of shame down Pennsylvania Avenue

C. Ries

wow all you have to do is deport a few people and the dirtbag socialist becomes a flag hugging sanctimonious liberal patriot, West Wing style. Felix is right that the groundwork was laid during the Bush admin, and Obama continued it. Obama has extrajudicially killed more American citizens than Trump. Anwar al-Awlaki set a bad precedent that is going to be exploited here. As long as the target is a terrorist, credible or no...

Chuck

“We’ve seen this movie before” and “it’s the only thing on” are not mutually exclusive. You may be correct, but you should still expect the same ending.

thicchatlogan

the pod save america guys keep referring to it as a gulag and one of the jons said something this week to the effect of "this is the kind of thing that happens in authoritarian or communist countries" but they never called it a concentration camp and rarely associate these policies with fascism. is that super significant? probably not, but it is interesting what political tendency they reflexively associate this kind of shit with.

drizzly_november

Yeah, violence in America is looking more like "both/and" than "either/or".

Liz

I love it when Kath is on the pod. Shs has such a beautiful smoky silky voice. And ofc I love her commentary.

Scott Grabel

Zohran can run in the main election regardless, because the Working Families will never endorse Cuomo.

K H

I don't think this is driven by resource scarcity or increasing immigration. As usual dipshits too many generations removed from the founding myths forgot they were bullshit and how things are kept stable and favorable to them.

Studio Novaya by Fredrick Edward

They’re just trying to sound intellectual and like they’re saying something that isn’t just regurgitated from NPR, and because we didn’t learn about gulags in school the way that we learned about concentration camps. It is just a style choice by them.

K H

It depends if there are any structures worth maintaining. So probably no, not worth it. I think we all need to reckon with the possibility there is nothing that can be preserved and step through to the other side.

K H

Boy howdy they do this sorta business in China! Some Australian bimbo was complaining to congress that Facebook made her learn Chinese or some shit making it orwellian. We are just such a stupid country.

K H

AOC was ridin with Biden, and I haven't seen her call out Schumer directly or call to primary any of their own people. It's "man I'm so mad I could get into such a fight right now" vs calling someone a bitch 1 inch from their face and slapping them. Unironically assert dominance. That's what politics is about. Get people pissed then start picking targets so other people get their minds right.

K H

Miles she is not that person. She was on Instagram ages ago, basically crying because someone was sexist to her or something. If you did that to peak Hillary no one would ever see you again. If you did it to Dick Cheney your heart would be in a Yeti cooler as a backup. She doesn't have that personality, which is part of the reason she is still there.

K H

Great pfp. We need more drillers.

Oliver Clozov

i personally think, in a long-term perspective, that the only thing scarier than being sent to el salvador, is having to live my entire life in a country where my only political choices are "get sent to a prison yourself" or "live free and watch other people get sent to a prison"

K H

A lot of people listen to music and don't actually understand it. This person is right. If you aren't explicit people won't get it. In fact I see it in these very comment sections, especially when Matt has said something. A majority of people definitely do NOT get it. The defecit to worry about is between labor and employers which we call corporate profits.

K H

Fucking amen.

K H

Noooooooooo

Stu

The song is Don't Think Twice, It's Alright by Bob Dylan. I'm not sure who did this cover though.

K H

What is up with you? Kamala fucking sucked. She had shitty policies and she was a shitty candidate because she lacked any political instincts unlike Obama. She could have won if she bit off Joe's head after his first debate, and had she been smart enough to not be his token sin eater his entire term. She's stupid at politics and so she lost. She lacked the force of will to take it from the geezer and so she lost. She isn't around for you to jerk off at anymore and I'm sure that's frustrating. Unfortunately for you, despite your weird scolding I and many others have 0 regrets not voting for her. She was a weak stupid loser and predictably lost because she fucking sucked just like in the primary. Nobody cares about her except you. Go glaze Schumer before you schumer things up more than you have already.

K H

We are so evil. It's actually crazy when you think about it.

K H

She did whiff that one. Though both Felix and Will pointed out they were already beating their asses so deportation was no great leap.

Khemith

I spent roughly a year in solitary confinement: 45 minutes of rec time in the "yard" and 1 shower per week. I realize that's fucking Disney land compared to that hell in El Salvador. It might actually be worse than the Nazi concentration camps (The prisoners were allowed to move and work and live with each other in barracks). I really wish Lula and Maduro got together and invaded that shithole and hanged every one of these demons. and I dare Trump to attack Brazil and Venezuela while trying to invade Iran.

Sheila Mydick

Go fishing. It does a lot for me. Anything else that gets you outdoors for a couple hours is also fine.

K H

That's fucking crazy. More reason not to get taken alive.

K H

Apparently it's from the rally Chris went to. Answered in another comment.

Craig

Geez, can someone come pull the gun out of my mouth?

Maxfield J Hannum

I was working with a guy who was both a small time church pastor and a home remodeler. And he got on a rant about immigration where his version of it was that immigrants were already breaking the law being here illegally, and so instead of a 3 strike system it was one strike, and they were okay to be deported en mass in his view. That is where we are currently at with conservatism

Cathal Sweeney

Have people actually been asked by ICE to leave the country because they consulted with an immigration attorney? I'd like to know for personal reasons

etienne

I wonder if Weimar germany had epic radio programs that kept making insane Egyptology jokes in pastiche Hitler voices about how bad the socdems are blowing it

Jimmy McMillan

Harris may have told us so, but she and the rest of the dems will be shocked when Trump says no more elections and they get arrested "WTF!? The we called Hitler is acting like a nazi."

cody

Screaming at my phone: GUS FRING DID PLAY A GOOFBALL HAVE YOU NOT SEEN DO THE RIGHT THING!?

Hunter

Even prior to listening to this, I’ve been thinking about the idea of Democrats running on “we’re gonna do Nuremberg Trials and send them all to ADX Florence,” and I think it would play well, but I feel like that would spark preemptive action by Trump and his people. You’d have to just shut the fuck up about it and not run on it but pull that shit out on Inauguration Day.

Sam

Gus Fring playing a lovable oaf. Someone hasn't seen Do the Right Thing

Sage

I was worried I was going to go to bed without wanting to kill myself. 2017 Chapo is back baby!

K H

Condemn and disavow.

K H

Try Hasan's streaming clips. A lil more optimistic feeling.

K H

They have never been anything other than psychotic. Occasionally they feel emboldened to be less pussified about their beliefs.

Ardy Rezv

Damn Bernie and AOC like six years too late. Would’ve been nice to see these balls a few years ago.

Ardy Rezv

Would love to see Hassan team up with a boot on the ground org like workers strike back or something!

Savannakhet

British people should subscribe to Remainiacs and Rory Stewart's podcast before seeking Valhalla.

Matthew

nah. felix has always been the most powerful, anyways

Ant koz

I’m not trying to treat people like they’re stupid. The oligarchy burger thing is a joke, probably not as funny as initially thought…. But my overarching point remains, no one is making it explicit that trump and the finance demons working with him on these tariffs are the exact people who offshored jobs to China, cheap Asian labor is how the ruling class produced profits never before seen in history. For them to demonize the “third world”’now, like they’re “taking advantage of Americans” is despicable, and this message resonates with people… no libs will say it because they’re just as responsible… but SOMEONE with a political platform needs to draw attention to the reality that they are demonizing people who took jobs making Nikes for 5 bucks a day while their pockets are overflowing with cash earned off the exact cheap labor they’re whining about. Like how is no one saying YOU PEOPLE BUILT THIS WORLD

Fernslinger

Fuck me man! If another apparently intelligent person tells me that I should listen to the Rory Stewart podcast I think I might fucking shoot myself. In a just world him and Alistair Campbell would be in prison

etienne

it's like when ppl said it was crazy to cast the Funny Dad from Malcolm in the Middle in a drama

HuffingGasInTheShed

Double listen episode. Makes me proud to hold leftist politics. Then the Indigo Girls send me back to church camp in the mid 90s

ab

Kath rules.

Matt

Sometimes he would barely say anything. Barely contribute.

Studio Novaya by Fredrick Edward

There is also the vague distinction that a gulag is a federal forced labor facility fashioned after the American plantation system to extract labor while concentration camps were more explicitly for death and extermination. The facility in El Salvador is just unknown at the moment, it is not a forced labor facility it is a torture warehouse at best and likely a mass murder factory just not proven yet

Refused

don’t shoot yourself without taking a few with you, don’t let your despair go to waste my guy.

Refused

you are as much an enemy as any fascist.

Mfusion

The fact that Bernie remains a democrat, steps out of the way when he loses the primary, and the fundraises for the Zionist candidate du jour has convinced me to break with him. A third party candidate like him who isn’t afraid to unequivocally condemn the genocide would easily get enough votes to win.

Refused

it is super significant, it shows where the allegiance of liberals truly lie. Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds. There is no difference between them beyond personal squeamishness.

Yevka D

i’m not on the same algorithm as my conservative lib parents so it’s nice that chris summed up the party’s refusal to take action and address genocide as, “the vibes were nice” guys, were good! the vibes are nice!

Matthew

Felix took me halfway out with the Chairman Bob bit and then Kath completed the fatality with The Felix Biederman Endowed Chair of Antisemitism 💀

Ellen Stork

Bro what were those accents. Your take on the Shapiro arson stuff sucks. You guys sound so fucking stuck up.

Woke Grok

Men would really rather watch 4 seasons of the hit Cinemax show Banshee than go to therapy

jonah :)

saw eephus in a tiny empty woke theater near me in tampa and it was awesome

Mojtaba HUSAYNI Khamenei

Rory Stewart is the most inbred creep in British politics and that is impressive when Rees-Mogg exists

K H

Fuck that guy. The accents are about the weird way he talks about his Jewish "faith" trying to align it to Black Christianity. You know he tried to cover up a woman's murder too right?

K H

I'll vote for any candidate that commits to stop funding Israel. Bonus if they defund ICE. I'll vote Democrat, I just need a shred of reason to. I am kind of thinking it might be possible to run Republican based on Christian communism and family protection from capitalist disintegration. I'll make it so your kids can come over again.

K H

Still no balls. They need to be converting the enthusiasm to use directly against Schumer and others right now.

Stop the Spread

Kamala would have been worse. Be real. And Kath talking about ugly is true.

Mfusion

Any candidate that commits to stop Israel. So, no candidate

Stop the Spread

It’s a “joke.” Did you kill yourself and your family?

Lu

The American abund

Zach Pierce

Ok there, Deridius Maximus Leftimus. You’re the most pure of us all.

Zach Pierce

OK, shitting on the Bernie AOC rallies is definitely a strange move. I was a Hillary voter in 2016 and now I fully support Bernie Sanders if he were to run for president and doubly for Alexandria. I hope she shows like this don’t tear her down, like they did to Hillary over a period of 30 years.

I was saying boo-lania

Solidarity is important in this part of the political spectrum. Like REALLY important. Some people believe they are falling short when it comes to the plight of Gazans

Bushwald

You're projecting and you're opinion is clearly influenced by parasocial relationships. I canvassed for Bernie in 3 different states in 2020. Not that I need those credentials to do it, but I'll criticize him if I feel like it.

Reece Coren

25 hours and couldn’t mention Gaza fucking once!!!! love Kath!!!

Fernslinger

Also, Rory Stewart was in the anti communist, pro apartheid group, Le Cercle so fuck him!

Craig

I'm only partly joking

Ardy Rezv

Couldn’t agree more. But no Democrat will ever do that. Not getting sucked back in. Waste of time and energy that could be used elsewhere

K H

I think you might be misunderstanding the assignment.

David DeCorte

Nuremberg trials for ICE agents? Now we're cooking. 🔥

Khemith

And National Corrections officers. They were the black baggers during BLM and will be mobilized again.

aKg

I’m curious what Felix is specifically implying (around the 50 min mark) that the leader of the Dems ought to be ready to break the law. Will echoes it moments later, but I’m not sure where this really goes realistically. I’m not against breaking the law, or necessarily a potential Dem president doing so, but I’m struggling to understand what real world scenarios they’re imagining. I’m struggling to think, for example, of a SC ruling a Dem president might ignore that would result in a good thing. Can anyone help me here?

Mark Schneider

Yeah, like any Gray Wolves would respect the opinion of a Hillbot moron. What do you love most about her, Zach-- all the War Crimes? "Joking" about killing Qadafi or sending a drone to kill Assange? Writing "feminist" books while supporting her hubby's rapes & sexual predations? Oh, the Dimmiecrats will "save" you, right? They had 4 years under brain-bleed Joe and they didn't raise the minimum wage, they didn't remove people's student debt, they ran a Genocide in Gaza and promised more of the same but under a "Girl Boss" & "Brat"? No wonder someone as trashy as Trump could beat them. Join a cargo cult, Zach, you'd get better results than simping for the DemonRats.

Bill Ellis

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Khemith

Break with Bernie but don't break with the people he has gathered.

C. Ries

You literally voted for Hillary in 2016

Khemith

Its because things are getting worse and you can easily feel like others are taking away from you, rather than corporations and billionaires. Don't attribute this to personal weakness or stupidity like a lot of libs do.

Needs More Marxism

Takeaway from this episode: we need an American Stalin.

Alex

We’re living under a Republican reign of terror. Everyone talks in code to sus out your politics, people call the authorities to get their neighbors disappeared, and it won’t stop until we fight back. But I think we can win the dialectical battle, hopefully this all gets people to wake up and understand that a better world is possible.

Khemith

I'm glad you came around. Don't worry we don't want to tear down AOC like the right did with Hillary. But we will hold her to a high standard of universal human sufferage and material need.

Mark

I wouldn’t lead with this. A lot of Maddow Fans are “coming around,” and we could’ve used you in 2016. I’m glad you’re here, but damn. This may be a case of “better late than never would have been cool, but now it’s too late.” You guys should do the heavy lifting this time around. Organize. Put yourselves on the line; all the things Hillary wouldn’t do. A lot of us would still show up even after all that “stuff” in the past that Dems made us feel crazy for.

Zach Pierce

Yeah man. It’s all “lolz”… people losing social security, cuts to Medicare, tariffs melting economic stability and people getting black bagged. But hey: LOL!

Zach Pierce

Hey look it’s a teenage shitposting edgelord

Eamon Short

If Eephus does well will we finally get the release of "How's that harassment, it's a compliment?: The Carl Diggler saga" and "The Soda Movie"?

Sam McManus

It would have been better if Hillary Clinton became president in 2016 instead of Donald Trump

etienne

you should post about canada, im trying to figure out if i want to vote Marxist-Leninist, Communist or Neorhino

Sam McManus

I kind of rolled my eyes when they called for some kind of affirmative actionable ask, as though the post-Bernie left has managed anything of the sort beyond vague calls for "organizing" (which is essentially a tautology) and sitting on our hands while Democrats lose so we can point and laugh (which just so happens to dovetail pretty neatly into what the worst people in this country want). Like, at this moment, where this whole project of steering people away from liberalism and towards Entirely Hypothetical American Stalin has only seemed to have enabled Trumpist Republicans, all the sheepdogging stuff starts to feel like really lame projection. It's a huge bummer, and I think we all need to take a long look in the mirror and ask ourselves what we're really doing here

Sam McManus

Yeah, you can't look at all the "terrorism" and the imperial presidency stuff the Trump people are leaning on and not see the GWB admin's fingerprints all over it. It goes back further than that obviously but it's just so blatantly downstream from Yoo and Rumsfeld and all those pieces of shit. Obama did kick the reaction into overdrive though, they really fucking hated that guy

Savannakhet

The war criminal-propogandist and the Gladio operative! And they have reasoned debates! They're making good points!

Reece Coren

Doug and Kamala: achieving normal followed by America’s stupids live in action is my favorite Wednesday Night lineup

Nick

Found the lib

Dang

There's just no way that would gain traction. Like it or not, the ghouls are in charge now and everyone still needs to be employed.

Dang

bloc majoritaire calis

Mike

I would like to point out that if you just google “Chairman Bob,” the first result is bob avakian. The second is Bob Iger.

etienne

commentators absolutely stumped after Bloc Québécois sweeps Alberta and eastern BC

Chris

Snatching people off the street and sending them to an overseas gulag without trial is against the law, and I believe he meant the next Dem should be willing to do that to the people currently enacting it

Oliver Clozov

the labor movement doesn't have anything close to the infrastructure required for that. public sector? maybe in a few states. but it would look farcical for unions to call out their 3% share of the private sector that doesn't even include the country's largest employers like walmart or amazon.

PearlDrinkingMan

Shoutout to lib scum, the 2nd best way to make soylent green

Oliver Clozov

i don't think the class-consciousness of the american worker is anywhere near the point that we can expect a nationwide wildcat general strike in the foreseeable future

Joan Fochs

Honestly, like a lot of people doing organizing, most of us are lightly floating the idea while waiting for the numbers to catch up. No one wants to make that big push until we know enough Americans are activated enough to consider it.

Oliver Clozov

i get that, hell i'd love to see a May 1968-type situation happen in this country. maybe it's a useful rhetorical tool. but if the working-class isn't even conscious enough to organize to raise their own wages, i don't think we should just skip all the very serious and difficult steps of building a socialist presence in the labor movement, and jump right to Step 598: Call a Wildcat Insurrectionary General Strike.

I was saying boo-lania

What if the working class just needed high profile political leaders to help organize around a specific date where both unionized and non-unionized workers could walk off the job?

Blaze-a-while Smoke-Trix

Katherine too serious. Brings down the vibe a lot. I get that things are bad but I come for the detached irony too.

chronye

Jack Donaghy

C. Andrew

We're laughing at you not because we think social security being gutted or people being black bagged is a good thing, but because you actually think Hilldawg or other establishment Dems would act any differently. She had no problem black bagging people as Sec. State. 'We came, we saw, he died.' I thought you were doing a bit, but it turns out you're dumb.

Captain Smirk

Will: " we are living in the safest country on the planet" I am sorry but you are delusional

K H

In terms of external threats it is safest.

DarylBarenziah

We will keep seeing the same movie before over and over until there is a political movement that is class conscious like a communist party. We have piled heaps of rubbish on the very ideology— the antidote— for this fascism that comes from the atrophying of capitalism. Felix says we don’t have people for this role, they dont exist, because it’s taboo: the left has piled heaps of rubbish on the very philosophers, cornerstones, political mentorship that could save us. We need a brace Belden type, Stalin, bonapartist working class warrior. Felix for ministry of industry’s. Will for ministry of propaganda.

J.P. McD.

Gotta love how the online left jumps from “Bernie couldn’t even win a primary” to “…but the American public would love to do a wildcat general strike if Bernie called for it”

J.P. McD.

A third party candidate would “easily get enough votes to win” - you are completely delusional

Ascetic Blur

I got my passport. I highly recommend you all get yours.

october7thheaven

Does anyone know which biblical parable Kath is referencing about your neighbor receiving what you get twofold so you say take one of my eyes

Anna Grace

You can all hate me for saying this, but you are asking for DSA to be larger and better.

Return of The Mac 2nite

Chris is being so stupid at the end. “Boy I do love the energy at the SPD conference in Berlin, December of 1918!” At this point Chris should take his leave fr.

John Gauger

There is a Sunoco gas station and a 7/11 directly across the street from the Pennsylvania Governor's Residence.