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On this, the 58th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination, we’re joined by Academy Award-winning director Oliver Stone to discuss his new documentary “JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass”. We then discuss the continuing legacy and search for meaning in the assassination, as well as other ‘deep events’, with Covert Action Magazine’s Aaron Good.

JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass is now streaming on Showtime.

Check out Aaron’s new podcast with Covert Action here: https://www.patreon.com/CovertActionBulletin

Pre-order Aaron’s book here: https://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781510769137/american-exception/

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Shfifty_five

That's what's so crazy, moderation is enough of a threat to the material interests and ideological aspirations of the deep state and the security state that a they orchestrated a silent coup.

kelsey

FIRST. (Why am I doing this...)

William

Damn beat me

leonard

no way lmao

Baron

Oh my god

Greg

LOL

Major Powers

Little-known Chapo lore: they release the episodes at night so Hasan Piker has his talking points ready for his stream in the morning.

Greg

9th or 10th I guess

Isaac Jones

The guests have been fucking insane lately. This is gonna be a banger listen

MoldyTolge

Can’t believe they got Aaron for this

Naked Shitter

I'm Full Metal Soyfacing right now.

oooeeeooo

We’re running out of Jalapeno Poppers at the grassy knoll! Please send support! #WWG1WGA

Bobby Volcano

The VR Naruto tweens made a couple quick introductions between pods they harass

T

#1 with a magic bullet

Connor Francis

Finally we get to the truth, the gay truth

Matthew Waterman

Oliver Stone is a fucking moron. He’s literally just a dumb liberal who believes in conspiracies. Read “Rethinking Camelot” by Noam Chomsky, then tell me with a straight face that Kennedy wanted to end the Cold War. Kennedy sharply escalated the US war in Vietnam and was easily the most dangerous US president of the 20th century.

Matt Crossin

Sounds like this may be a skip worthy episode if it’s just liberal conspiracy nonsense

Jessica S

Shut the front door.

Matt Crossin

you’re completely correct, but unfortunately being enthusiastic about these kinds of narratives is too tempting for social democrats

becks

Requested Aaron’s book from my library. Absolutely cannot wait to listen to this

James Barron

Assassination Day is a great song by Wu-Tang

kmd

I was thrown when he said Kennedy was essentially anti colonial

Post Void

As I'm listening "For the love of god! Will ask Stone about Dr. Jolly West!?" (If that name is unfamiliar, he was a state funded brainwasher of almost every mid century clandestine assassin.)

kmd

Isn't this that Q promoters dad? Lol

Post Void

WHO IS JOLLY WEST? What do these people have in common? Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby, Surhan Surhan, Patty Hearst, John Hinckley, Ted Kaczynski and Timothy McVeigh all have in common? They all had very close contact with this man upon arrest and then are zombies in the courtrooms.

Kelly

Aaron Good speaks so clearly. I so appreciate that.

Matelda

I promise to read Rethinking Camelot if you read Deep Politics and the Death of JFK (i recommend not skipping the preface)

Andrew Cross

an anti-colonial US president lmao okay. buying into the theatrical-ass “I will shatter the CIA into 1000 pieces and scatter it to the winds” bullshit

Matthew Waterman

I will check it out. I’m not saying I know for a fact that the Warren report is correct - I haven’t really looked into it. But I do know that this narrative about JFK being a great threat to imperialism is bullshit, and that makes me instinctively skeptical of the idea that the CIA killed him.

J P 3

A side note, but Obama struck me as doing a credible MLK/JFK impression (copying the style without the substance). It had some resonance in part because he was singing a decades old tune. Pete, Beto, Kamala are doing an impression of an impression that is not even a golden oldie. I'm skeptical it's going to work for them. I doubt that the Obama speeches are going to have the same staying power, in part because he turned out to be such a massive sellout. It's like being a Nickelback cover band. Is there a market? Yes. Is it a big mass market? Probably not. Btw, great episode.

Gurjot

No way. Wow

Blake Patraw

menaker movie mindset babieeeeee fuck yes

Taylor Noll

Kennedy supported Lumumba in Congo, supported his personal friend Sukarno's pursuit of independence in Indonesia, supported Algerian independence, made enemies of a Joint Chiefs of Staff who favored a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the SU, fired Allen Dulles after the Bay of Pigs, was in back-channel communications with both Kruschev and Castro (the latter of whom he also was in talks with meeting face-to-face) had authorized a memorandum (NSAM 263) to pull all troops out of Vietnam by 1965, pledged that "not another American should die in Vietnam." But because he ran as a Cold Warrior (as almost any other politician would have) we have to accept Chomsky's version of events forever.

Matelda

It's very possible that the greatness of Kennedy is overstated but the CIA et al were assassinating moderate social democrats all over too

Matthew Waterman

Kennedy invaded South Vietnam in the first place, allowed Bay of Pigs to go forward in the first place, caused the Cuban missile crisis and almost destroyed the world, ordered a massive terrorist campaign on Cuba, and started the massive support for fascist movements and governments across Latin America. This idea to pull out of Vietnam (which was not even Kennedy’s idea), mentioned in NSAM 263, was premised on everything going as planned and the US client dictatorship in South Vietnam stabilizing. Then Johnson immediately reaffirmed the NSAM 263 policy in a new memo, and lo and behold, that didn’t actually bring about the end of the war. This is all about JFK’s actions, not his campaign rhetoric.

Gabriel Bowater

The Assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy By Allen Dulles The Coward

Matt Crossin

Do they tell Stone his brain is pudding for believing Kennedy was anti-imperialist?

TugNuggins

Sins of the son are not inherited by the father.

Matt Crossin

“It’s possible the greatness of Kennedy is overstated” - love to see this said without irony in the comments of the biggest left wing podcast lol. Dogshit.

Mark

Aw hell yeah dude

Matelda

Calling someone anti-imperialist is an unironic compliment, yes.

Matelda

We only do our communist revolution in the comment sections of much bigger left wing podcasts than this. Not surprised that you don't even know about them.

Joe

MindBomb: Delivered

Matelda

Matt Crossin everyone is impressed by how smart your brain is. Conspiracies are fake by definition and in no way an observable phenomenon or fact of history. Good job.

Matt Crossin

buddy if you think, based on practically nothing, that the CIA killed Kennedy because he was fighting the deep state or whatever… you’re a lib. simple

Matelda

Never met a lib who believed in any JFK conspiracy, or anyone at all who believed that the CIA killed JFK "based on practically nothing." If you believe the Warren report based on the fact that presidents are bad than you simply have not read anything about it & have nothing to add. You're just asserting that you are smart, and I have already told you that I am impressed.

Matt Crossin

thank you for being impressed. The only people I meet who believe it are libs. Which is unsurprising. It’s a very shallow, liberal analysis.

MC Ritz

Did they say MnM Obama and Mike Hudson?

Joe Bowden

Isn’t it good that there’s someone in Hollywood who is willing to question the fucking JFK assassination that happened 58 years ago, and has crazy inconsistencies in the official narrative. This narrative is not believed by a majority of every different age/ethnic and gender group in the US. He’s clearly a very disaffected liberal at heart but how damaged must your brain be that you act that having him on the podcast is a crime against socialism or anti colonialism lol they’re obviously not going to agree with everything he says

Matt Crossin

not particularly. He’s done things with better politics. You don’t need to ‘buy the official narrative’ or whatever to know the CIA angle is dumb and a red herring. They can interview who they like, it’s just cringeworthy when they get very righteous about a dumb aspect of their politics 🤷🏻‍♂️

SF

You are an anarchist lol

Jeff Martin

One of the cool things about Oliver is that if he isn't right 100% of the time, he's right enough. In a way it's almost like the CIA poisoned him since he's kinda associated with conspiracies theories. We know about stuff like the government disappearing people in Chi-town.

Jeff Martin

Homan square to be precise...

JD

I wish y'all would take 12 hours out of your life to watch the 70s miniseries 'Washington Behind Closed Doors'; Jason Robards as Nixon, Cliff Robertson as Helms, Andy Griffith as Johnson. It covers the Nixon/Helms issue - accurately or not - but there's a lot of great scenes and acting in this thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington:_Behind_Closed_Doors

Emmanuel Arce

I agree with Wil…to me the fact that Oswald defected to the USSR renounced his US citizenship then came back to the US with a Soviet wife then continued to very publicly claim to be a communist going as far as appearing on tv without the FBI keeping him under 24 hour surveillance is enough of a head scratcher and the biggest data point that goes against the official narrative. I don’t think it’s necessary to believe that Kennedy was looking to upend decades of US foreign policy to imagine he was assassinated. Nuclear missiles were placed in Cuba during his watch which is still imo the greatest national security threat the U.S. has ever faced. Then instead of invading Cuba like literally every advisor told him to he made a deal with Khrushchev which ended with the US pulling its missiles out of Turkey. To me that’s enough to easily explain how some elements in the US MIC and IC may have not only decided to assassinate him but in all likelihood felt righteous and patriotic AF while doing it.

Evan Scott

"the idea that Kennedy was an anti-colonialist is pudding brain shit" yeah okay fair "the CIA angle is dumb and a red herring" okay watch who you're calling pudding brain here bucko lol

Tristan

Chomsky is right on a lot, but 9/11 and JFK he parrots CIA talking points. He works at MIT for Christ sakes. Calm down

Kamran Husain

There’s actually 2 years left of hellcat production before it goes 4ever

Tristan

Matt Crossin king of cringe

William

Not dealing with the possible realities behind the assassination of JFK, RFK, MLK, and others means you don't have any way to deal with the actual power capital holds

orc

Need Aaron Good and Aaron Bad on the same episode

orc

Also y'all have really been pulling in the guests

Nobody

Obama promised to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan too lol

Nobody

Trying to make JFK a saint, hilarious since he was Catholic, is quite something. The Kennedys would have saved us! I promise! We make up insane shit because we can't accept that people fucked up and this happened. We don't get elaborate conspiracy shit for failed assassination attempts because they failed. I'm sure McKinley was killed by Teddy Roosevelt. The CIA couldn't hide Iran/Contra, couldn't hide their Cocaine bullshit, couldn't hide their involvement in the Bay of Pigs but damn they are good at hiding the assassination of a sitting US president. Not like anyone in any level of government wouldn't want to be known as the guy who finally got the truth out

Gordon Schmidt

Get your family together this Thanksgiving and force them to watch JFK revisited

Ben L

Is Oliver’s JFK movie a required watching before I watch his documentary?

Nobody

Nixon was a liberal? Holy shit lol. It is amazing they are trying to babyface fucking Richard Nixon. Who's next? Kissinger?

SF

ffs that is not what anyone here is saying, god you people are ridiculous

Nobody

Saying Nixon was taken out via Watergate is ridiculous

Michael Ehrenreich

It’s really cute how Oliver Stone calls Will “William”

Nobody

Blaming Q on the intelligence community is also quite hilarious. They simultaneously hated Trump but created something to deem Trump as a savior and anti-deep state. We know exactly how it started but everything has to be the Legion of Doom behind it, not just stupid fucking boomers in a world where people still believe the earth is flat and astrology is real coming on the legs that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii.

Matthew Waterman

Statements like “Chomsky parrots CIA talking points on 9/11 and the JFK assassination” are how we separate the anti-imperialist left from edgy libs who went down a couple YouTube rabbit holes in 2012 and never came back out. I had no idea that pointing out the CIA’s biggest terrorist campaign of the 20th century, ordered by Kennedy against Cuba, is a “CIA talking point.” Traveling to North Vietnam, praising the heroism of the NLF, organizing draft resistance, getting thrown in jail for tax resistance - all telltale signs that one has been cucked by the CIA, amirite? Whereas thinking that imperialism happens because of a couple crazy conspiracies rather than being a basic feature of the capitalist world order that operates largely out in the open and can be studied by ordinary people - that’s real leftism!

Matthew Waterman

“CIA were assassinating moderate social democrats” - yes, with Kennedy’s approval.

Ellen Harold

It is perhaps true, as someone once said [John Dolan?], that Kennedy managed to be both good cop and bad cop in one person. Nevertheless in a 1961 speech he did say: “We must face the fact, he had stated in the fall of 1961 that the United States is neither omnipotent nor omniscient— that we are only 6 percent of the world’s population — that we cannot impose our will on the other 94 percent of mankind— that we cannot right every wrong or reverse every adversary — and that therefore there cannot be an American solution to every problem.” And perhaps, like his model FDR, he was not as highly averse to countries nationalizing their own resources as subsequent administrations have later become. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/290532015_JFK_and_the_Global_Anticolonial_Movement

Matthew Waterman

Yes, lol, I am aware that Kennedy basically wanted to use more carrots and fewer sticks in liquidating the Third World left, was more open to have relationships with Non-Aligned countries and allowing some wiggle room for independent development on strictly anticommunist grounds. The fact that Kennedy had a different imperial strategy than Eisenhower is not some dark secret. Then if you’re an edgy disillusioned liberal, you jump from there to the notion that one of the most destructive imperialist war criminals in modern history was actually a righteous anticolonialist who would have brought US imperialism to an end of not for a tiny, narrow conspiracy killing him and replacing him with an administration that largely preserved his policies. At that point why even have a critique of capitalism? Clearly all we need to do is elect another nice handsome Catholic boy, make sure he doesn’t get assassinated again, and imperialism will be over!

Karl Childers

Steve Pieczenik was the first person to lay out the basic narrative of Q in public, before it was called Q, on the Alex Jones show. Pieczenik was also involved in the cover-up after the assassination of Aldo Moro during the Italian "years of lead," to such a degree that the Italian state at one point directly accused him of committing the murder. Not saying that's conclusive, but it's nothing to brush off so lightly either. https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/italy-accuses-us-envoy-steve-pieczenik-aldo-moro-murder-1474527

Yacobum

This eternal delay of Kennedy documents seems like a show... they've been destroyed right? Theres nothing to release.

Nobody

>Alex Jones. Definitely a deep state op to make Trump seem like a hero while also undermining his administration. Makes sense. It wasn't 4chan projecting their term for child porn onto podesta, and the guys who own 8chan running with it

Nobody

Still waiting for JFK Jr to come back?

Damen Irving

Were you not here for the Poppy episodes?

Eye Twenty-Six

Who would be the biggest possible get for an interview at this point? Like, Scorsese himself? Blago and now Stone, just great stuff

Karl Childers

the CIA is innocent because JFK was a Papist, got it

Nobody

You can't read. I just found it funny the first Catholic president is sainted as some sort of benevolent guy who was fighting the CIA. All evidence that the CIA or Mafia or Aliens did it is circumstantial. Give some actual hard evidence. It's been over 50 years and nothing has leaked? Come on

Nobody

Lol 4chan is a psi op and M00T was CIA. Good luck fighting these guys when they can easily manipulate you and kill presidents.

Nobody

Yeah and it also was hilarious and just circumstantial bullshit. Obama was obviously not born in Hawaii either

Ian

Untold History of the United States is a fun watch, I think I've seen it through twice. There's some leaps of logic that are too much for me but overall, it's a nice counter narrative to the mainstream one. Stone is just an interesting person all around.

SF

Close your eyes and take a deep breath for ten seconds.

Karl Childers

don't forget the Charles Manson connection. insane how many of these cases West had his hands in.

Of course

I don't think you need to Stone-sanctify Kennedy or go the Chomsky route and disregard factions in the ruling class. Both Stone and Chomsky are contrarian libs (but not too contrarian, mind you, as they both support Joe Biden). And just because I can't see much difference between Dulles and JFK, doesn't mean Dulles or JFK would agree with me or act accordingly. Imagine looking at the Wikipedia page of Roman emperors and thinking, "all those leaders couldn't have been murdered by agents of the state!... after all, they were all imperialists!"

Karl Childers

they can literally do both of those things

Matthew Waterman

So Chomsky disregards factions in the ruling class, and simultaneously is a Biden-loving contrarian lib. Lol, ok.

William

Dude, no one knows what the fuck you're trying to say and neither do they know how you reached the conclusion "yo we think jfk was a saint". Everything they pointed to - easing tensions with the USSR, ending involvement in Vietnam, and threatening up to break up the CIA - all things Nixon was after in some way as well. Where do you see the worship of JFK from either guest or the Chapo boys?

William

Okay I get it now, you're retarded

Tom Reilly

barfsac o'crumbo go on chapo

Brian Sansone

I mean if the CIA was actually good at hiding it, we wouldn’t be posting about it right now right? There wouldn’t be these weird holes in the Oswald narrative, or the Warren commission (i.e magic bullet theory, etc). So is it really that different from them bungling bay of pigs or Iran contra/selling coke in south central LA? They tried to hide those things too! Not saying you gotta buy into it but that’s a bad false negative you’re citing buddy.

T

Biden

T

There are many, contradictory definitions of "liberal". Nixon is a liberal under at least one of the definitions. And remember that Nixon actually said that he's a Keynesian.

Joe’s fat head

That Major Powers?! Holy shit the world is small.

Major Powers

It's not that the world is small, it's that chapo is HUGE. (they have huge dicks and balls)

Thom

Oof this is a bad argument

Julie Baxter

JFK was a stinking rich Boston brat and never a saint, but as I've heard Matt say, he grew up right quick when he glimpsed imminent nuclear holocaust.

Anders Scholl

haven't listened to the ep yet but ... yes nixon & kissinger are both quintessential liberals (if not 'libs' in the american dem/republican sense), jfc

Nobody

I'm sure that's what he meant 🙄

Nobody

Grow a set of balls and go fuck up the CIA HQ

Tim

“Thank you, William.” *William cums*

Gulb

I generally agree w/ Good, but his ideas about currency and hypnotism indicate that he's been hangin' out in crank world a bit too much. It is actually fine for the government to print money, it's a question of what they do with it.

The Children of Jack Acid

What's odd is that I've seen Oliver Stone play Celebrity Jeopardy against Ariana Huffington and Wolf Blitzer, and he fucking CREAMED them! The guy is no dummy. So why are all his movies so full of horse piss? I mean, not only did he make a mess out of "JFK," but he couldn't even get the fact-checking straight on "The Doors." His mischaracterization of Jim Morrison as this humorless, pompous, self-aggrandizing beefcake-messiah was so bad that it's made two entire generations of young people HATE the band!

Karl Childers

no we hate the doors because their music is bland as shit

Arlo

At least one of those generations of young people have definitely never seen Oliver Stone’s “The Doors”

The Children of Jack Acid

..... that said, I love the interview. Keep on interviewing people even if they're not all there. This interview is a flavor cocktail mixing a touch of that Marianne Williams energy with Hunter S. Thompson's intonation and late-era Eldridge Cleaver/Jerry Rubin enthusiasm.

Ian Priest

Hideo Kojima go on Chapo

Matelda

Thing is there's overwhelming evidence that the Warren Report is bullshit and even the government admitted it in the 70s though they declined to go further into what actually happened. Address any of it on some level whatsoever and your opinion on the Kennedy assassination might be relevant, rather than just puffed-up squawking about who is a lib.

Matt Crossin

You realise there can be inconsistencies in the Warren report (and even a conspiracy) without buying the CIA coup narrative right?

Matelda

If you knew the first thing about it, you wouldn't be talking about "inconsistencies." This is not like QAnon where people just keep seeing the number 11 and think it's the devil. But now you're saying there could even be a conspiracy, and it wouldn't validate the conspiracy theorists? Ok.

Matthew Waterman

As I understand it there are a number of theories, and the CIA is just one. I never said I believe the Warren report - I’ve never even looked into it.

Matt Crossin

It’s pretty simple: the official narrative can be wrong and the specific theory about a CIA coup also be wrong

greg

One of the best.

Aaron Baer

NOT TODAY JESUS !!! 👺

CT

Calm down, junior.

CT

Remember when I told you to calm down? You should do that

CT

Jfc . calm. Down.

orc

Jack Jack's ghost

Emry

NO. WAY.

Gengeros

Incoming long rant. I think Noam Chomsky is a kind of gate keeper for liberal discussion in America. He himself used to be a believer in JFK assassination cover up, but later on wrote "Rethinking Camelot" and because JFK wasn't 100% perfect human being that he "clearly" couldn't have been assassinated by the powers that be, along with the knee jerk "well it doesn't really matter cause we will never know the exact truth". Well we can certainly piece together alot of the evidence in front of us and make a rational conclusion. US government covering up the files for this long over "national security threats" is all you need to know about the US government and what they are covering up in the JFK files. Same with 9/11, along with the US government trying to softly push the theory "the Saudis did it" to appeal to American nationalists instead of looking in at our own government. It's time to declassify EVERYTHING the US government is keeping secret, one of the largest keepers of classified documents on earth. If Americans really saw every unclassified document by the CIA and processed the meaning off it, there would be a god dam revolution in this country. Also JFK prior to this death, was planning on and did cut off aid to the François Duvalier dictatorship and have AIPAC register as a foreign agent. So yes, JFK dying did have a huge impact on the world and wasn't just imperil re-management as the Chomskyites would put it.

Shadowil

Can we get an update on Zebulon please

Carboniferous

" If Americans really saw every unclassified document by the CIA and processed the meaning off it, there would be a god dam revolution in this country." Not necessarily, if the average American could be convinced by the media that the things the CIA have done are Good, Actually™, which I think is very plausible. Hell, maybe they try and just make it a culture war or Dem/Rep thing to dispel any popular energy. Just pay whatever slack-jawed, soulless news anchor rightwingers have nowadays to say "Democrats are triggered that the CIA assassinated X leader or destabilized Y regime, and it's no wonder they think that these places are good. Do you really want these great United States of America to turn into *insert South American country here*? The Democrats do!" and it'd be forgotten in a week like almost every single news item for the last five years. As Matt alluded to on a Hinge Points episode, revolutions are tricky to pull off unless the people living under that regime genuinely believe things MUST change. It takes a certain level of material discomfort that the majority of Americans haven't reached yet. Things suck, but the emerging invisible slave class of gig workers keep treats coming through the door, and most people have housing and such. It won't last forever - hell, it doesn't seem like it's gonna last another decade or two if current trends continue - but simply telling people that their government sucks and does bad things wouldn't really do much. The federal government and senators and leaders are already quite unpopular - the Senate currently has a 75% disapproval rating, and yet nobody seems to be willing to do anything about the fact that they don't like how the government is currently run, except maybe people in sporadic protests and riots in cities that have taken too much shit from law enforcement (and, I suppose, Qanon wackos, but saying that January 6th was some sort of stance against the government is really overselling that mess). I think all that would happen if you released/leaked every classified document is that it would be merged into the shared delusions that Qanon has going on, and a bunch of blue checkmarks would start blubbering about how "even if the CIA does bad things it's still good at heart and keeps us safe and-" and then Biden would go and trip and fall on some inbred European monarch and all the media would move on.

Dick Van Sexel

west was everywhere in that book Chaos, which adam friedland definately read.

Alex Racy

45:08 oh hey Felix

SF

Matt Crossin, you are an anarchist.

Peter Bogdanovic

Patreon has worst UX of any app I've ever used. Got to find a better platform.

Big Dylan

Isn't Oliver Stone the guy Chapo dunked on a while ago in his movie saying that golden painted homosexuals killed JFK? Why is he suddenly a respected authority?

Kevin C

Because he was/is a based liberal even if they disagree on larger topics he hits on and understands some of the broader more sinister forces in in our government then most of his contemporaries.They were also riffing on his movie as they do in all of their movie reviews

Jennifer Hammerhead

Can someone tell me the CIA link with World Vision? I grew up evangelical and their shit was everywhere.

00000000000000000000

Whether Chapo figured it out or not, it was good they had Stone on because the critique of Jim Garrison as anti-gay is bullshit. It was a CIA-backed strategy trotted out by Jim Phelan and James Kirkwood long ago; there's nothing to it. There are problems with Garrison's investigation (re: Fletcher Prouty as a source, for instance) but that's not really one of them; if anything the anti-gay stuff was Stone's editorializing in his film.

00000000000000000000

Stone also attended Yale. Congratulations, Captain Obvious; it's as if he grew up a bit privileged, much like half the Chapo guys. But I won't hold it against them if they don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

00000000000000000000

What part of "humorless, pompous, self-aggrandizing beefcake-messiah" wasn't Jim Morrison? Have you tried reading his poetry?

The Children of Jack Acid

@Jared are you THE Jared, of Subway commercials fame? Because being a 9/11 Truther is fucking kids' stuff.

ClownBabee24

Stone seems like a really cool guy, despite his inaccurate analysis of JFKs role in American imperialism. I get it tho, hes probably the least imperialist president of the 20th century.

pq

Holy shit I just came here after finding out that Sean Stone existed. (qaa episode about Gaia 🤯) Clearly being conspiracypilled is genetic