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So, we recorded an in depth Ukraine update with Derek on Tuesday evening, and obviously now the update needs to be updated. So Derek leads us off with some context and what we know of the Russia/Ukraine situation as of the morning of Thursday, 2/24, then we go back and cover how we got up to here. Then finally, for even more context, we have a piece from noted Foreign Policy expert Terrell Jermaine Starr on how everything about Vladimir Putin can be made clear through a close reading of HBO’s The Wire.

Check out Derek’s FP newsletter Foreign Exchanges here: https://fx.substack.com/

And check out Derek and Danny’s FP podcast American Prestige here:

https://soundcloud.com/americanprestige

And subscribe here: https://www.patreon.com/americanprestige

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Chance

Thanks for the drop fellas

Joseph Mabrey

Yeah that last one didn't age well lmao

Clint Pelvis

ep fuckin sucked at first but by the end it was kinda okay

S

We need to send 50 Cent to Ukraine

Null_null

Isn't Derek's pod co-host a member of the Atlantic Council or some shit?

Ruben Griego

The fucked vibes era takes a new turn

Connor Francis

Derek must be denounced for pod revisionism

Ashlyn Moehle

where do we have a conversations

Ashlyn Moehle

I need access to a special place

nicedickdude

Listener beware: *Chapo is COMEDY podcast* these people are COMEDIANS. They TOE THE LINE on political correctness (and accuracy) for jokes. And sometimes those JOKES miss but they have to take risks.

HarshMalarkey

None of this would have happened if Frank Vincent was still alive

vermouth

Chapo is the worst at predictions

vermouth

I live in nashville we’re manspreading already dawg

Null_null

TBF I think they only thought Bernie 2020 was gonna do it after he won the first three primaries.

nicedickdude

Heh Ukraine? Why don’t U kraine yourself into some binches! sorry chud I’m trying to grill 😎 remember like from before? haha wow this blew up please donate to my gofundme to rehouse this 27yo LGBTQ+ transfem who’s experiencing fascism for refusing to eat they’re vegetables at family dinner

Brent in TX

the conservative covid scold!

Garth Hillsborough

the left is getting better at comedy and it's making capitalism nervous

Ermete

I like to think that the decision to invade was taken just to spite the invasion deniers, like a prank taken too far

meow meow

lol says a lot that you guys didn’t just scrap this one

JazzWolf

Damn, I didn't think they'd be THAT flippant about it

nicedickdude

ukraine is kind of like the paulie walnuts in this whole sitch and donbas is like the that one guys big fat wife

NYCM&AHole

Chapo southern superspreader slaughter

Ozzie

Quick, record an episode about China invading the US

plainwrap

"Eh, fuck it. We don't get paid to re-record episodes."

Munir hakim

Lol the head of security or intelligence accidentally let out that they will support incorporating the newly independent republics into the Russian federation

caroline

“I love you but please turn off ur phone or give me a dall. I cannot support hate. Please stop this. I know this isn’t your heart” -grimes, 2020

Munir hakim

You mean Bessner? What is that council?

Null_null

I'm being obtuse. AC is the think tank that dictates NATO policy. Bessner works for some other dogshit think tank.

Michael

Enough with the “Brandon” shit. It’s lame.

Luke Mahler

love the dry boys but maybe they should consider that all empires are bad not just america. i also thought Putin would stop in donbass but they seem dumb as fuck here lol

Jon Hollis

Didn't you guys say that Russia wasn't going to invade Ukraine?

Mark Schneider

Uncle Joe he's got his war/ but too senile to know just what it's for-- Tryin to Make It Real Compared to What?

hamburglar

Probably shoulda dumped this one

Andrew T

This is truly one of the most flippant and offensive eps Chapo has done. Yucking it up over the very real threat Russia posed to Ukrainians - even on Tuesday - is disgusting. Everything isn't a fucking joke.

William

Mistake #1 was thinking you were getting anything other than entertainment from Chapo, let alone detailed geopolitical analysis.

Luke Mahler

oh i don’t expect anything but amusement and i like my subscription just fine. i’m just making fun of them for looking like rubes. doesn’t mean felix isn’t one of the funniest people in america

William

Damn, you gottem! Keep these fucks accountable!

Null_null

I think it's likely 'cause, like most people who've been listening to Bessner, Levine, and Ames on this issue, they didn't think a full scale invasion was imminent. But also, what else are they supposed to do, man? Russians, Ukrainians, and Americans are all powerless to impose any popular will upon their governments. For the love of christ, if you can't laugh then what can you do?

William

what the fuck are you talking about - "super-spreader" events are happening all over the US as we speak - do you live in a fucking cave?

Shake zula

I saw an American woman tweet that we should report the President of Russia's twitter account to show Putin we mean business we could try that

William

If you're unable to think critically about information you're given, then yeah, that could be bad if he is

SwagMasta420

Sure why not, it's the correct answer, no one should

Andrew T

Maybe Felix could have not called Ukrainians greedy Nazis who are manufacturing the idea of a Russian invasion to get western weaponry they can sell on the black market.

Jack

damn, he said that? that's crazy

Null_null

I agree. He shouldn’t say greedy.

William

Who gives a fuck? There's nothing you can do about it until your letter comes from the draft board dumbass. Joke about it or not, what's the fucking difference

dead loser

Yup, for two years. Still got sick twice and now disabled for life. Guess since everyone else is infecting people it's okay for the boys to do it. Wait till BA. 2 gets here and you're gonna see some real apocalyptic shit. Check out Denmark rn.

William

It might just be that they just get caught up being contrarian against the dipshit mainstream media. It was easy to double down on all that when the atlantic council funded people were wrong about the previous invasion deadlines they were freaking out about

Max Joyner

The Chapos are singlehandedly going to end the South's famous "zero covid" policy, they've had such a handle on it until now.

dead loser

You're right, if everyone else is letting people die, why shouldn't we. Sorry, My chronically ill ass didn't realize that you all were invincible and impervious to disease. Fuck all those dead people and the rest of us who are now disabled for life. Please continue party rocking while we suffer.

William

Sounds like covid isn't that bad if you got it twice. You're undermining your scare-mongering and scolding by admitting that. sounds like you're just salty

Alexandr

I'm not hearing flippancy or yucking things up.

Treppy

take the L boys :)

Alexandr

"Ukrainians greedy Nazis who are manufacturing the idea of a Russian invasion to get western weaponry they can sell on the black market" Aren't they, though?

tabbyswipe

just one point: the money for 9/11 victims will likely not go out to them, due to the justice department brief arguing that the taliban are not the government of Afghanistan. The admin can't publicly come out against 9/11 victims. If derek read the justice department brief he would know this

dead loser

Wow! you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I've been sick for 2 years. Millions of people all over the world have Long Covid and get worse with repeated infections. 2 years of stabbing chest pain, breathlessnes, brian fog, lymph node, kidneys, lungs all fucked. 2nd infection had me bed bound for a month and i'm just starting to walk and do light excerise again. Amazing how heartless these suppposed socialists are. Kindly eat a dick.

tabbyswipe

the justice department brief essentially says the court cannot say the taliban own the money as who the money belongs to is a political not court decision that falls to the admin and state department

Dan Baggar

David how about you stop paying them $5 a month and start paying me $2000 a month so I can stop being a bartender during a pandemic

dead loser

Sorry dude. You shouldn't be having to work in these conditions. No one should and we shouldn't be supporting going back to "normal" when this pandemic is far from over. That's my point. If you haven't gotten sick yet, or if you have and you fully recovered, consider yourself very lucky. But good point. Since Will is sick of hearing about covid i'm sick of hearing from him.

Gengeros

Vaush and the rest of the soc dem crowd are straight up neocons, send them to Ukraine ASAP.

ex-cantaloupe

Why aren't they literally shaking and crying like I am when I think about all those people who won't be able to play Elden Ring at launch?? America need to get in there and start air dropping PS5s

Kaleidoscope Chameleon

None of this would be happening if Osama Bin Laden was still around, I tell you what.

William Evans

*Curb Your Enthusiasm theme plays*

UNDED

The gift of hindsight should have been enough to just leave this episode on the cutting room floor.

Treppy

everyone works for a think tank and everyone grandfather did something terrible.

Dick Van Sexel

I believe the correct terminology would be pullin a lick. No gangster says taking shit.

Treppy

can someone fill me in on mark ames being a sex pest? he said russian women love to be raped? is this true?

Animals in Motion

Good ep! Ignore the cry babies in the comments who think being the correct level of upset and displaying it in the right way somehow makes you a better human being than others. Even if it was wrong this time, it was still right to disregard U.S. intelligence. I mean, 9/10 you're going to be right on that even though being totally uninformed

etienne

It's still valuable to discuss the timeline and broader context of the conflict even if a portion of this info is rendered obsolete by Russia going completely hog. It's still valuable to militate against the ideas of turning Ukraine into a big open ended civil war or heading on the path towards a peer confrontation between the US and Russia, as some commentators are calling for. It's still valuable to discuss what the realistic options *are*, even if it is to find that the "West" has fucked itself out of any real method of retaliation.

etienne

his side of the story is 1) he wrote in a semifictional book about raping prostitutes as a metaphor for russia being raped by america. There are no actual accusations against Ames of commiting sexual assault in real life 2) those allegations have been surfaced as retaliation for his work on proving that the Tea Party was astroturfed by the Kochs

Gengeros

Fuck me, even me, Radio War Nerd got it wrong. And they lived in Russia in the 1990s and 2000s.

Treppy

thanks i can see that.still not something i would say haha. sounds pretty bad in the interview he gave in the early 2000’s. agains thanks for the response.

ex-cantaloupe

They literally said a larger military conflict was "more likely than not" the fuck more do you want?

Nobody

Being against war is neo con now?

Nobody

It's hilarious how y'all rightfully make fun of liberals when they're plainly wrong but lose your shit when you are wrong and have to sarcastically post like it doesn't matter

etienne

I'm a huge fan of Ames so I'm mega biased here but The Exile as an organization was, shall we say, a edgelord project by edgelords for edgelords

Nobody

It's unfortunate so many people said no invasion was to happen so smugly

UNDED

I'm sorry if pointing out how this is a bad episode (which it is) and they have the ability to acknowledge as much and not put it out as it was presented besides the prologue bit with Derek, upsets you.

Treppy

i like his podcast a lot. just been seeing it spammed on his twitter was wondering what the story was.

Joe Bowden

Maybe they were but safe to say it backfired

Null_null

Truly. But I think they've been good about eating their shit/crow/whatever. I'm disappointed that there was so much confidence (smugness...arrogance...) in the past few weeks, but I don't necessarily think that means Julia Ioffe, Anne Applebaum, et al. are all of the sudden trustworthy or honest journalists. The fact that Ames and co. can come out and say "We were wrong" is truly respectful of their audience and gives me way more trust in their reporting and analysis going forward.

Gordon Schmidt

Friends, now is not the time to bicker about "who was right" and "who was wrong". Now it is our duty as socialists to stand behind the state of Japan and encourage them to plant the flag of the rising sun on the southern Kuriles. Etorofu, Shikotan, Kunashiri, and the Habomai rocks must be returned to Nippon!

SoldierBlue

I listened to you guys and told my wife not to worry because an invasion wouldn’t happen. Now she won’t talk to me

etienne

Derek laid down a well thought out and nuanced timeline of the conflict and the only misprediction he did was that he didn't think that the Pentagon/NATO worst-case wet dream Red Dawn scenario would happen. Do you think you can point out specifically which part was bad?

m k U L T R A

i've been re-watching the wire for the past few weeks. the confluences are building up...the matrix is bugging. the annunaki masters will reveal themselves. 2.13.333.8893.2.33.21.7849311.

Seth Harp

Brother Malone reads Harper's not the New Republic , get it right

Basil

NATO rslurs pushed for this and now they're Pikachu faced

etienne

the next RWN is gonna be hella spicy lmao. The guys already went on the record saying they got it wrong but Ames is still kind of both-sides-ing it online

Mike Wallace

Two tickets for tonight in charlotte - message and I’ll transfer

Jon Hollis

they were wrong period

Jon Hollis

Selling two tickets to the ATL show on Sunday (2/27). They shit the bed on Ukraine

Jon Hollis

They made the guest record the intro and even he never said “I was wrong on this”

B2B Commuter

Selling two tickets to the ATL show on Sunday (2/27). They shit the bed on the Ukraine, and I need to buy some nazis in Galatia a scud.

Matthew Born

It’s the penis game of foreign policy.

CT

Why? What difference would that make? Did I miss something wherein some comedic analysts are supposed to be able to predict the future of intensely complex warfare dynamics? Chill out

Gengeros

Thank you comrade, based RWN take!

Blake Patraw

ugh i hate when i get the sunday scaries

Gengeros

Vasuh and socdems are anti-war now?!

CT

This👆🏻

Gengeros

Vaush literally called for starving and killing all Russians.

Byron Lagrone

lotta angry comments on here that didn't listen to the ep

Gengeros

Yea he works for some neocon think tank similar to Atlantic.

etienne

if you listen to the podcast, you can find out that Derek said that he thinks that some kind of military confrontation was basically guaranteed after Putin pulled the stunt of not only recognizing the separatist regions but sending in a "peace" "keeping" mission. What he did get wrong in technical terms is that he didn't think that Russia would commit to a full military invasion because it seemed ill advised and disproportionate. He admited he got that part wrong, and as far as I can tell it doesn't alter the value of the context provided in the original show.

Shake zula

I understand completely. Hopefully she doesn't go to the NYT Opinions column to dunk on you.

William

counterpoint - what's the fucking difference between this and if they had guess correctly? None of us can do anything about this shit, foreign policy structures were designed that way, so please explain why it would fucking matter if they insisted russia were to invade the moon

William

Never said I was a 'socialist' whatever the fuck that actually is. I don't give a fuck what happened to you, if it even did. I have no way of knowing what you said is true or not. Crying about what 'should' and 'should not' happen ignores the fact that it *is* happening, so your point is not only irrelevent, but stupid, because it's based upon some imaginary "fair" world you've cooked up in your head.

Null_null

Jon -- I'm not sure why you're so mad (I've seen your other comments). We all had the same info. Nobody lied to you. And nobody owes you, personally, an apology. Even if Derek didn't say explicitly "I was wrong," that's what he was trying to say. Others have said it explicitly (Ames, for instance). Because all of these people operate in good faith. It sucks they were wrong. For a lot of reasons. But your personal pride is not one of them. Sorry your girlfriend or your aunt or whatever gets to dunk on you for a week 'cause you told them they were stupid for thinking there was going to be a war.

dead loser

Yeah, I'm lying. guess what. NO ONE gives a fuck about you, that's why you have no friends and you've known it your entire life. Can't wait till this happens to you. Cunt!

Greasy_Jones

these comments are a spicy meatball

Lo

the absolutely most regarded line of argument, Dave you were mentally disabled well before you got the globohomo vaccine

Lo

*Su-35s do Ace Combat Shit against MiG-31s over the Skies of Ukraine* lol those fucking war mongering shitlibs

Lo

Sorry now you’re just as wrong as everyone at The Atlantic. You don’t get to have your own “CIA doesn’t foresee the fall of the USSR”-moment in claiming for weeks that a massive concerted mobilization was never ever going to translate into a hot war and stay a credible commentator. The boys, as idiot Yankees, should really just stick to domestic topics. Fuck even the war nerd has a lot of crow to eat

Major bit me

Why are comments mad, I haven’t listened what’s the issue

Michael

I stand with the Russian seperatists in Ukraine. This conflict isn't Russia's fault and it didn't start today.

etienne

weve all had a bad day online

Major bit me

Livin on the internets a lie, can’t say it enough, get outside

etienne

I wish but it is -15C here and the sidewalks are iced over

Benjy Compson

It's pretty goofy that you guys chose to put this episode out even with the outdated information. Seems like one to scrap and re-record after realizing the scale of the invasion, instead of it being a minor introduction.

etienne

can you point to a single piece of "outdated info" therein besides "it seems unlikely that Russia is gonna go full Red Dawn but who knows they're definitely on the warpath [...] oop guess the worst case happened"

Benjy Compson

anime profile is very cringe, so I'll pass on that one pal

Null_null

Basically he's in the "KNOWS WHAT SEX IS / LIES ABOUT HAVING SEX" quadrant.

Sam Zeng

I really do think this was all Putin and really a last minute thing as well. As soon as the republics were recognized Minsk 2 was gone since he got what he wanted. If Putin was rational pulling troops back would've been the logical choice but he really did go insane with this one.

Luke Mahler

he’s pretty clearly waging a war of conquest regardless of ukraine’s intentions towards the donbass. no offensive was imminent, and they didn’t have the military power to best the separatists anyway. Putin invaded, the proximate responsibility lies with him even though NATO’s reckless expansion and Biden’s shitty diplomacy set the stage. Nobody made him invade.

寿帝武

I hope this all results in Americans having to eat less and walk more.

Luke Mahler

@William can’t blame them there, we all do. I also thought the State dept was doing its usual alarmist bullshit to juice raytheon. i think it should be a reality check for leftists and communists and antimilitarists. Sometimes the official enemy really is bad and we need to examine this shit on the merits. Putin’s regime is fascist in character and reactionary in ideology.

Michael

You're pretty clearly just making that up tho lol you have no idea you're purely speculating. Also I feel like after waiting 8 years for the Minsk agreement to be enforced for the ethnic cleansing of Russians in Ukraine to end is a good enough reason to handle Ukraine before they join NATO. Not to mention the growing number of Ukrainian Nazis, like the azov battalion who's killed thousands of people in the Donetsk region since 2014. Russia tried diplomacy. They gave warnings. Idk what else they could've done at this point. But if Russia actually conquers and occupies Ukraine, you can say I told you so.

Jaage

How did they not make a bill simmons ref in this episode

Nobody

kyiv is in the Donbass?

Luke Mahler

making up which part? that Ukraine wasn’t planning an offensive? how fucking stupid would they be to attack Donetsk and Luhansk when the Russians have a giant army on their border? Why not last year when Russia was distracted with covid and nagorno karabakh? hell, why not two months ago when their best troops were deployed fighting protesters in Kazakhstan? I mean yeah obviously Ukraine had no intention of implementing the accords they signed, and that’s fucked. I understood and sympathized with the Russian perspective right up until they invaded. I mean Russia will win the war in a day anyway when they take Kiev. Ukraine did not pose a military threat and empire is bad wherever it expands. Besides, Putin was clear in his speech that his real issue with Ukraine was its existence at all. He loathes the Bolsheviks and Lenin, who were good. He’s anathema to any left cause. Just like the US empire is. I apply my moral standards equally, not that it matters because the left had no influence or power. I totally agree Biden should have just given Russia a guarantee Ukraine would be kept out of NATO — and I would have even understood a limited operation to clear the frontline to protect the separatists. But this is a war of conquest.

Michael

The part where you said it's clearly a conquest, like Putin's bout to set up shop and just take over all of Ukraine lol that's made up speculation bitch and you know it. You're calling it a war of conquest based on nothing, you just heard some msm reports about how they're shelling cities and pillaging the countryside lmao If it ends up being a "war of conquest" you can say I told you so. Until then you should just sit down and shut the fuck up with your moral grandstanding about how evil it was for Russia to overthrow an undemocratically installed far right government with the goal of joining NATO and getting a nuke lol

Bob K Ross

Tulsi is slim charles

Zach Pierce

A lot of dumb prognostication by the online left the past week. Almost all the outlets I listen to have had to put out a “well I was wrong and it turns out the Biden Admin was right.” Sad

Kyle Smyth

The only thing that really disappoints me was the devotion to the narrative of nazi groups in Ukraine. That shit was 100% a Russian govt talking point to make them less sympathetic and all kinds of lefties swallowed it whole. There are nazi and nazi-adjacent groups all over the west including the US/Russia and their representation in Ukraine doesn't seem demonstrably greater outside of rumor mill bullshit. In fact it's probably fair to say far right groups are closer to dominance in the US and parts of Europe than they are over there.

McKinley

how dare you speak ill of misato katsuragi

Clint Pelvis

found the actually funny content

Clint Pelvis

idk kinda think brandon is 🔥

charles birchall

Far right groups have seats in parliament in Ukraine, it is much more prevalent but still marginal compared to Russian propaganda

James Johnson

Something I hope we can all agree, although totally off topic: please get out there and support your local Starbucks workers! Please keep following their organization efforts and support them any way you can.

Animals in Motion

What the fuck are you babbling about. Russia has had similar troops movements all through the conflict, yes, it was bigger this time, but pretty much ALL people who knew the conflict didn't think Russia would do much more than at most support the Donbass region.

Luke Mahler

i mean they’re moving on the capital, whether or not they set up a puppet regime or annex the country is a moot point. there’s plenty of video and a lot of dead children to boot. it’s about control, i mean putin said as much. he denies ukraine should even exist. the real question is, what are your political leanings? why do you even like this guy? he’s clearly a figure of the right. all empires are bad. it’s not complicated. if you don’t see with a literal land war being carried on in an age where we can actually see exactly what is happening, it’s because you don’t want to see. also “bitch”, really? go enlist with the wagner group if you’re that mad lol, i’m just high as fuck in a patreon comments section tryin to talk some politics

S Agsar

Why would they drop an ep that is totally obsolete by the time it airs. Lazy. Too busy to scrap this and record an updated episode? This has literally zero entertainment or informational value. Sorry guys, but this is lazy 'casting, you hate to see it.

Jessica S

Derek rocks. His laugh is the best.

Colin Bassett

That's a good idea. Then the could re record the re record ep after that one immediately becomes outdated as well.

Kita80

Wow, the guys really messed up on this story. You should understand that the US is not the worlds only evil empire. The irony of complaining about US propaganda but falling hook, line and sinker for Russian propaganda (Ukraine is full of Nazis.....) is incredible. I like the guys take on US politics, but in international affairs they are clueless and wildly biased. American Prestige is the same, got this totally wrong. Did not like the direction of the pod for a while, this is now enough reason to cancel my patreon. I will be back around the midterms maybe.

Tonksndante

Lol right. So calling everything you don’t agree with Russian propaganda is a much better way of going about understanding context. Got it.

J.P. McD.

A current events podcast had outdated info and DARED to give us the content anyway! This is even worse than when they centered Hasan’s voice (a rich man who once slept with a woman who it’s speculated may have been lower-middle class, which would be a massive power imbalance if true).

Gilgamesh .

Did you miss the part where our CIA was literally funding and arming a Nazi paramilitary group the Azov Battalion? Whether or not Russia had invaded there is never going to be a good outcome to arming Nazis. The US feeds every God damn narrative about itself and idiots act surprised when its used for propaganda by an adversary.

BaeOfPigs

Anything they recorded would likely have been outdated by the time it finished getting edited and released anyway. Don’t know if I’d be relying on a comedy podcast to be my source of breaking news in the first place

Zach Lemon

What? Did we listen to the same podcast?

Zach Lemon

Ah, other Zach. We meet again. I see you're still trawling the forums for shitlib brain-rot manna.

Chad Foster

Ukraine absolutely is full of Nazis though

Pepipopa

@kita All you need to do is google the Azov Batallions patch and compare it to old nazi symbols you don't need to listen or view any "propaganda" on it. And the fact that they were melded into the Ukranian National Guard since 2014.

B2B Commuter

Like seriously. They just moved to grant veteran benefits to literal nazi collaborating members of the OUN less than 3 years ago.

csipa

yeah theres like 20 thousand of them in a country of 40 million. how many nazis the USA have and can someone please bomb civilians for it...

stroppycarpet

Unless I missed something, the episode doesn't mention Ukrainian fascists. Maybe there's a single throwaway line but it wasnt a distinct segment. It makes you sound like you're an antifan who subscribed just to post this comment on an unrelated episode.

stroppycarpet

If anything, they didn't go far enough in explaining why american intelligence claims of being concerned russia was going to invade were laughable. Laughable because of the 'concerned' part of course, not the 'invasion' part. They don't care. Can you really, honestly say that US loudly broadcasting over and over and over 'they're gonna invade tomorrow! let's sanction them today!' during a delicate situation isn't going to provoke the Russians into attacking, since they are going to get sanctioned either way? Hell, they mention this specifically in the episode you obviously did not listen to.

stroppycarpet

The episode begins rather gauche but gets better later. I'm kind of glad actually that they didnt decide to chop it up and remove half of it, part of me feels like it shows integrity to show stuff like this.

Carboniferous

At least the admissions by left-leaning figures that they were wrong makes them infinitely more credible than the neolibs and neocons who try to weasel out of it. Especially jarring when people who are consistently wrong don't get booted off news orgs and such. So yeah, we've all been epically owned and we need to cope and seethe and take the L or whatever but I don't feel nearly as bad about this one compared to when Chapo and many other leftists went into their massive depression phase in the weeks after Bernie ate shit on Super Tuesday.

etienne

there is no outdated info in the show. It's all background context and some open-ended prediction. I don't know what you guys are even talking about

B2B Commuter

HIllary just said America needs to be both arming the Ukrainian military and an insurgency if they end up falling to Russia on Morning Joe on the right half of my tv screen. On the left half sits Zbigniew Brzezinski’s daughter. This country will truly never learn.

Of course

To restore listener confidence and honor Virgil's memory, Derek should have to touch the poop.

etienne

america needs a Ukrainian Ossama Bin Laden to lead the Azov Battalion to freedom. We need a new Operation Cyclone. This will have positive consequences over the long term

Kyle Smyth

I really don't think any of us get to take the 'I knew all along' posture here. Every single time Ukraine was even mentioned the azov battalion shit came up, like a pavlonian response. Would be like using the proud boys to write off the entirety of the US.

EZ

Derek Davison opening statement “I get no bitches , be safe y’all”

Yeah but in my defense

‘We’re willing to fight to the last Ukrainian body.’ Is one of the best summaries of US foreign policy I’ve ever heard.

Zach Pierce

I fucking hate these guys sometimes

Nolan

What’s the over/under on the amount of “let’s roll” style stories that come out in the next few days?

Evan Scott

there are already too many to count

Nolan

Yea, I fucking hate it here.

Null_null

Almost there, bud.

Droobie

I've got a front-row seat to the ATL show available if anyone's interested. Decided it's not worth the drive.

Nobody

Jesus does one shitty battalion justify invading and occupying an entire nation? Or do you want to use the conservative talking points about the Taliban and Hamas too?

Droobie

OK, ticketmaster says I need your email or phone # to transfer to you. I guess you could put it here then delete once I transfer

Mark Schneider

And the fact that when John Conyers had them defunded, the US just waited a bit and restored direct US tax $$ to them AGAIN when nobody was looking. Okay, CJ's reactionary enough to think supporting armed Nazis is "no biggie", but as a former union organizer, & veteran of the 80s punk scene who's faced Nazi harassment, I don't support it

B2B Commuter

Next to nobody here is saying they support Russia’s actions. What we’re saying is that we don’t support sending weapons and munitions from NATO nations to a country that has an open nazi battalion and venerates their collaboration with Nazi Germany during WWII, as its plain as day that those weapons will end up, just spitballin here, being used on MENA climate refugees trying to move north through the western Ukraine over the next decade or so.

The ATL Bike guy

Thanks man. Feel free to send me your Venmo dude. will absolutely pay you for the tickets.

Droobie

No problem. Hope they put on a good show. I emailed my Venmo to you.

Joseph Mabrey

Putin? How about Putin my dick in your mouth.

Will

I've never complained about an episode. If I don't like it, I just move on. but COME. ON. this isn't about our feelings getting hurt because of a podcast, you just shouldn't have released it. you could have postponed it like 12 hours and done a 20 min ep where you just say "wow Russia is acting crazy" and that would be better than this

Zach Pierce

Well, Zach Lemon, son of Don, I will vanquish you here in these very comments section. My brain is not-rot you’ll be SAD to know…THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! lol

bruce

Neolibs have been wrong about NATO for 3 decades and wrong about Russia invading for a month, but when they finally goad Russia into/Putin goes full moron mode and unleashes unthinkable aggression suddenly the left is owned

Hector Jaime

That’s the Joe Rogan line too. I don’t buy it.

CJ Galvin

Bruh, you might want to look at the news

Michael

Ya I'll make sure to see what bullshit propaganda the news is spreading now, thanks for that hot tip lmao

CJ Galvin

Yeah, for the region, Ukraine is about as unNazi as it gets. Russia has a larger share of Nazi sympathetic people than Ukraine does. By a lot too.

CJ Galvin

Jesus. I thought the episode was alright until Felix just had to repeat some weird propoganda about Nazis and take a dig at Zelenskyy. The guy is knowing he is gonna die and you have to be taking shots at him being an actor. Then try to pivot to be like, " 'But America. Why did they have to be so hostile to Russia. Why do they have brain worms for Putin. They still can't get over Hillary.' Pathetic.

United Eric Emirates

Soy voice - “well this aged well” (although you could say that about every conversation about Ukraine you’ve ever posted)

collapsing

pathetic putin stan girlyboy fucks. i'm done. pick a side. wanks.

gm

frothing at the mouth "I CAN'T WAIT to die for national bourgeois" mfs in these comments...

Michael Barbarich

Hot take here: both American AND Russian imperialism is bad. Yeah, yeah. Ukraine has Nazis. So does Russia. So does the USA. So does every western country and a fair amount of eastern ones. If you're somehow shocked that far right nutjobs are attracted to military service then I dunno what to tell you other than you're a goddamned fool.

D

I hate my job, and wanted to quit and do something like trade cryptocurrencies and NFTs, but in the past few days I changed my mind and now I want to be a keyboard warrior for the Ukraine.

Kinetics Video

Haven't actually listened to the ep, but the boys seem to have made the right people mad

Seph

This is one of those episodes if you were trying to be at all professional you’d can it and start over. This sucks dude.

dog stone

respect derek, I am a daily foreign affairs reader and i appreciate him taking the time to correct his takes

Hector Jaime

This was a good episode. People act like they said “there will absolutely be no invasion and the Ukraine are the second coming of nazi Germany.” I mean, it was kinda funny hearing Derek go full Reagan in the intro with “I don’t remember what I said”, but no need to go full Karen let me see the manager I want my money back in the comments (I only do that when they talk too much about video games).

Juan Suarez

no etienne, derek said there was likely no way to avoid armed conflict instead of predicting the exact moment of invasion, so he has to commit seppuku

Monarch Refund

There's horridly-dark comedy in Putin's invasion being part of an espoused quest to protect ethnic Russians in Ukraine, in that he's running the Lebensraum playbook, with the minor wrinkle that this strain of wounded nationalism is looking back at the USSR instead of Prussia.

Boaz Corey

Bessner and Christman could do an Ukraine Hingepoints episode.

TangiePower

Not a bad ep, once you get past the beginning. Near the end Felix and Dan both suggest that Russia probably can’t handle a full blown occupation of Ukraine. This might yet shape up to be true.

NTH

Weak sauce

Crosley Querin

There's hardly anything specifically wrong with the takes. Some incorrect takes on sanctions but overall rather benign and Derek gives himself a way out of most statements. Maybe they could have opened with the Ukrainian choir after SNL was finished and opened with them. More to speed for some of you.

Michael J Sandbothe

I’m watching Winter On Fire on Netflix. It’s so far a good piece of perspective about the Ukrainian Revolution or Coup. It’s very compelling when you watch it, that it was a popular democratic movement that overthrew the Pro-Putin government. I recommend everyone watch this as part of any other information you’re consuming on the situation in Ukraine. I’d love to hear what Chapo hosts have to say about the film. As well I’d like to hear from any expert guests on the films perspective and how it relates to the current situation.

Robert Miles

the comments section for this episode is the most “i’ve never had bitches” shit i’ve ever seen in my life god fuckin damn

teacup

what a virgin take

Kirra Robyn

Worth it just for the comments on this one

NYCM&AHole

American prestige is a cuck podcast because they blocked me on Patreon as their tribute to the brave Azov fighters of the Ukraine. American Exception is where it’s at.