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623 - Cathedral of the Deep (4/28/22) (Patreon)

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2022-04-29 00:26:39
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2026-06

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The boys discuss Elon Musk buying twitter, then turn their attention to a Vanity Fair article exploring Peter Thiel and the NEW new alt-right. Is this finally the hip new version of conservatism that will win the youth to the right, or does everyone just want cool friends in the metaverse? We get to the bottom of it.

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Ian

Nice

Anthony Hoffman

Should’ve went with Cathedral of the Depp. Topical!

BigBoto

Yo yo yo I just had oatmeal. Fucking ready for this

Adam

Underrated dinner

Zara D

Felix's dark souls references

Chris Wade

In the car there now, will report back with best mashups. Been like a decade since Greg’s put out an album, lotta new pop music to flip through.

SP

Welcome back to all former reply guys that defected to the post-left but became disillusioned after finding out everyone else is pulling in Thiel bucks

gavin curran

Aren’t national conservatives just NatCs

etienne

but the algos did make everyone insane. not just politics and culture war. artists and musicians on twitter who have to do promo on the networks as a matter of career sink or swim. they all have onset schizophrenia too. they all do cargo cult. Elon said he's gonna open source the algo and it really hit a nerve because people really do want to understand what is going on. Shame it won't happen.

Eli

Take the plunge. You won’t die.

james

Long as Elon’s cookin’ there’s hope for me

William

What Felix is talking about with the 10,000 23 year olds - I think that it actually is 23 year olds because most people become aware of the larger picture around that age and aware that something stinks. I would probably call it a "life crisis" because at the very least, people seem to realo, "wait, this is my life now?" And desperately try to find a way to cope

Nobody

All those guys who did PayPal turned out to be horrible human beings. Who would have thought

William

Oh fuck. I see it. It's the new left after 2016 all over again. College educated republicans drifting away from the main stream of their political party. God fucking dammit

james

If only they knew the Jack Murphy lore lol

J

This is crazy because I just played through the cathedral of the deep in ds3 for the first time today

etienne

my theory that we're living the Carter presidency as depicted from Reaganland holding exactly to schedule

CS

Good ep, liked the ending

Dan

My favourite Elon Musk sycophantry can be found at the Pacific Science Centre in Seattle, where an Elon Musk quote is in bold large font on a wall. You know, because he's a scientist.

justdave

Great carbs for muscles

Rene

Chapo should be allowed to use from software ost

justdave

I know I should try and embrace em, but I FUKN HATE the fake ass revolutionary, communist rich kids, che would have hated these people, which is ok - he hated alot of people, but then to have some skateboarder dipshit try and half quote him makes ME want ta' hurl a boomerang at their noggin

Bobi Jon-son Kenobi

All of these post-left projects seem to be filled with the most annoying people alive

Mitch H.

What is happening to Matt? He's making gaming references with increased frequency. I need to know that our boy is safe.

cwen

Twitter would go bankrupt if they shadow banned the influencer of our generation, Will Manicure.

NYCM&AHole

Running America like a startup? Lol blow through cash and milk the fuck out of it until you either foist the losses onto everyone else on the IPO or you have to fold up?

Major bit me

Chapo is suppressing my comments I had a post with 104 likes criticizing authoritarianism and poof! It’s gone, curious 🧐

justdave

Ted Kaczynski, Kyle Rittenhouse? there is a very dark (yet large) part of my heart, that sees all Americans as one of these gnostic identities.

Bobby Volcano

Was going to actually you about Yu Pan but he's literally doing some kind of nft coin rn

Jeffrey Johnson

The South Park guys will tear Elon a new one ! Cartman will get a Tesla I can see it happening Ugh smh

CJ

YEAH HERE’S YOUR FUTURE

Chris Wade

Ok from the album stuff was very happy to hear Good Day over Gates of Steel off of All Day, also loved WAP over the drums and then into the chorus of Song 2. The best most current drop was ABCDEFU over heavy trap/house beats. Girl Talk rules, a real pioneer of our hyperpop moment, great party rock show.

Michael S. Judge

Elton Musk and Nick Mullen singing "Can you fuck inside my ass?" during the horny scene in LION KING

THEKILLERWHALE

Patreon has a content moderation algorithm that is usually the source of these little mysteries.

Gwen Rebecca

I for one look forward to verbally abusing public figures without fear of retribution, thank you mister musk.

Juji Gatame

SNL's habit of stealing bits from Cum Town just progresses to actually having Nick co-host with Musk, they announce that they're autistic and do Mario themed bits every week to rapturous applause

Jonathan lees

I’m gunna go and sing the international now

justdave

I hate Ted Kaczynski so much dangnabbit

Juji Gatame

Was unlucky enough to see the Opening Ceremony for the "Musk dick riding Olympics" in its natural home arena: Reddit. Standard comment to get karma "say what you want about Musk, you know he wants what's best for humanity". Like what, some lie that humans can get to Mars? Destruction of existing public transport options for some laughable bullshit? I mean I don't need to list all his bad ideas but it's pretty grim seeing the Musk cult fly their colours en masse. Also Felix was trying to hedge his bets saying the Tesla battery is good but this is just a thing that sounds like you should say, the reality is more complicated. Tesla do have excellent battery technology, but Musk didn't have anything to do with its development, apart from as a Steve Jobs style marketer. But let's acknowledge, that's not nothing, and even though Musk's marketing style includes a lot of pretty despicable pump and dump scams, he has been able to get market share for Tesla which has arguably driven battery development more rapidly. However existing battery companies (like Panasonic) also have excellent options, Tesla isn't the only player. And, as I mentioned above, Musk and Tesla discourage use of and investment in public transport, the reduction in greenhouse gases from switching from ICE cars to Teslas is insignificant compared to getting everyone on to public transport. Get to Mars? Fuck that just build a shitload of trains and trams to get me to work or the next city over. There was also a recent coup in Bolivia where there are lithium mines...people seem to forget that we still need to dig shit out if the ground to make batteries. Anyway I guess this is the problem, make a long complicated essay on all the reasons the Muskiverse is pretty dodgy but not necessarily totally evil, or just jump on board the Musk anti-train turn your brain off, harvest upvotes

Dan

Felix’s “I am Sam” joke was a fleeting bit of that Chapo season 1 humour that I’ve been missing in the otherwise black-pilled 2022 Chapo.

Archie MacLellan

Ooft that was a tough listen. But I agree with ending I joined a local group of socialist in my city and have been out selling papers and going along to strikes. Can't recommend it highly enough. Also stopped working on the oil rigs and started on the wind turbines. Get out there and do stuff in the real world is all I can recommend lads

SoConfused

exactly! Moving from ICE to electric does reduce SOME of the environmental and social costs (less localised pollution, less noise polution), but doesn't really address the problem of excessive consumption and also leads to other problems like Lithium extraction, battery disposal etc. I mean, christ, look up "tire dump fires" and see how far away we are from solving that problem. Ask Musk what he plans on doing about tire fires, he'll probably hem and haw and try bullshitting his fans for some new alternative that falls through after a few months and is never mentioned again

AKorgar

God imagine Nick Mullen hosting SNL. There's no way he gives up the opportunity to drop the n-slur on live TV

etienne

[me, very intelligently] people don't realize it but the CEO usually doesn't invent the products himself, in corporations. They have employees for that

Mark

Absolute banger of an episode

Maksim shabalin

y’all really didn’t mention the red scare thing?

Tommy

Praxis

Tommy

Sad

Stan Refermat

thanks for the hopium at the end boys, really needed it. no one is coming to save us

kitty pavlova

the furry metaverse are going to be the great khans. we'll all be paying tribute to our overlords and humanity will unite under their control.

ClownBabee24

Gotta admit: this new right shit is completely indecipherable "dipshit art student kids of really rich people" shit to me.

Heath Gardner

In the immortal words of christopher cuomo, let's get after it

JD Nonce

A+ sign-off from Will here. Love to hear it

David Lyttle

Selling newspapers - Trot detected lol (but yes definitely go do stuff in the real world)

Clean Shirt Piggie

The Bernie Victory Captain to Evangelical Patio Dad pipeline is so strong

Lucas Wuensch

Am I just stupid or is that Vanity Fair article complete word salad?

Zarathushtra

Matt plays video games as much as other Chapos confirmed.

C. Ries

Instead of a Caesar, a Napoleon or a Lenin

Malika Nash

“There is this real crisis of the liberal hive mind becoming genuinely hysterical at the prospect of the future, of standing on one side of a fence watching the world die. And they’re trying to make themselves okay with it with this increasingly hysterical performance of virtue — that *is* incredibly tedious and unfun to hang around with if you’re not captured by its logic. But the alternative is a bunch of dumbasses, are neanderthalic type republicans, and that’s no fun either. So the solution is to get people who can’t hang with the liberals to accept the reality, the necessity of culling the herd, of false notions of empathy and sympathy dominating politics, but are still ironic, fun, can do bits, can do spoofs and goofs, are not leadenly earnest and attached to some unconsidered American reactionary Christianity. Maybe they’re Catholics but they came to it through this complicated intellectual process which means that they have laundered out the tedium of the lumpen American Christian. And then you can hang out and do blood pranks for eternity. …the promise here is, Let’s get morbed. If we’re gonna drop the fantasy that we can do anything politically, then my god we should also drop the fantasy that we should have to embody some sort of virtue in our lives to make up for our position in it because the reality is that if you really want to be against this machine, you have to be illegal, you have to be outside the wire. And nobody wants to do that. Nobody wants to sacrifice their comfort that much. And so what they’re gonna do instead is justify to themselves why they deserve it. And either they’re gonna do it by being a liberal virtue monger or by taking whatever the fuck colored pill this is supposed to be now.”

Malika Nash

^so good to hear / type/ reread my own jumbled instincts spoken clearly as actual insight.

C

All timer episode

Archibald

Thermals outro was a perfect palate cleanser

Clean Shirt Piggie

I’m happy that Donziger is released, but I think Cevron & its lawyers “win” in that they showed the legal community that you, the attorney (messenger) can actually be imprisoned for merely advocating for a client. It’s horrifying

Brent in TX

being performative on Patreon? who is this for!?

jim obrien

Wow they really believe the dumb Mexican cartel money laundering thing. It's not even a good bit

Nathan

Right, there simply isn't a way to sustainably move a 2 ton block of metal every time someone wants to go anywhere. Doesn't matter how you power it. Bikes and public transportation are the only solutions but you can't become an epic billionaire with those things.

etienne

ehhhhh yes and no tbh. I think this idea that good transpo policy necessarily has to be a money pit is somewhat of a automaker psyops.

justdave

I was really angry listening to this, but I'm eaten dates, smoking weed and chillin now, and I feel better hearing this awful shit- bless you boys for shoveling this shit for the rest of us

justdave

I love listening to this and doin my dishes an chores n such

Juji Gatame

The "2 ton block of metal" Nathan is referring to is a car (I.e. either ICE or Tesla), not public transport. For some reason I thought he meant public transport as well until I re-read it

AKorgar

Shout out to all the comrades in here - whether or not we're seeing the end credits spool up, it is a privilege to be alongside you guys, all my brothers and sisters, fighting for a better tomorrow. Socialism or bust, left is best.

Sean

Matt's rant about Peter Thiel trying to find people to hang out with is 💯

Damen Irving

At that age, 90% of people just become resigned husks hoping to make ends meet at the end of every pay period, while the remainder become article-reading psychopaths.

Damen Irving

We need a new public works program to build a life-size version of Minas Tirith for Peter Tiel where every American has to make pilgrimage and declare him as the true heir of Gondor. Maybe then he won’t steal our blood.

etienne

yeah I know my numtot talking points like the back of my hand

socialist heretic

Vidal used to make fun of Silent Cal Coolidge our first MBA President to run America like a business. Guess what followed the roaring 20s? Depression, Fascism and War.

Matthew Born

So you’re saying we’re living in Tha Carter II??

Matthew Born

Article heads are real sickos

Matthew Born

Wow, I did not see that until just now.

Matthew Born

Will’s pronunciation of “rather”

Dyyyyylan

The newest Wet Brain is a pretty good interview with the writer of that article, if you can stand their hyperactive energy.

TangiePower

Unions combined with community mutual aid that provide resources, not merely vibes, is the path and the light. We demand a future, and we’ll have to build it ourselves. And if that fails, then we go out singing together.

Meatwad Cosby

Will put it all very beautifully toward the end there. Hell is not other people. We’re all we’ve got.

Jake Zydek

Sheesh, I hold my college freshman students to higher standards of coherence in their writing than this Vance gobbledygook

Baron

As a recovering article recreationist, I’ll say we sickos tend to have a solid overlap w the pay period razor-edge experience, at least anecdotally

Nolan

Wow he just like me fr.

Baron

If you believe in either a combination of, or fragments of, the two opinions that 1) this world order (markets, state, classes, etc) is not necessary; and/or 2) we currently don’t have the power to make it evitable or changeable, I’d seriously recommending reading this piece by Asad Haider https://viewpointmag.com/2019/12/16/on-depoliticization/ Depoliticization and disorganization are the crises of our time, and the only way to fix them is through recomposition: re-constructing the organization of people across different, and at times, contrasting struggles. As Haider puts it, “We do not conceive of other worlds. To use the formulation of Sun Ra: There are other worlds they have not told you of.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OalJFhabulE And finding those other worlds can only be found through reorganization and re articulation of class struggle in the present. I know articles are to be avoided, but this one is more of a thesis than a story, and it’s got miles of thought to ruminate on. I’ve used it a lot in the past year or so in trying my best to do organizing stuff in my city, maybe it’ll help others here too.

Chad Dopamine

Matt's Twitter havanah syndrome rant was one of his best in a while, a true return to from our big boy

Jasmine M

Chapo let’s go

Jasmine M

Hey hey Ho ho The chapo trap has got to go Hey hey Where ma hoes This chapo shit about to blow

Jeffrey Wheeler

Segregating the culture war also doubles the customer base in the way that N.D.B. Connolly's history of segregated real estate in S FL pointed out that segregated housing, by creating artificial scarcity, created more market opportunities for landlords

Hector

u stfu

dgietjmykx

They really need to have a timer going so they can cut Matt's mic and not let him just rant in circles.

People's Housing Project

The final speech from Will sounds like an endorsement for a Vanguard Party...man, I wish that some well funded & connected people would help to organize & fund such a Vanguard...

Andrew Irwin

I will sign off on techno dystopia for a Porsche and an 8 ball

Bobi Jon-son Kenobi

I know Tumblr is a punching bag, but it honestly does feel like the least shitty social media outlet at this point

etienne

literally the *only* issue with tumlr is that they dont have enough money to hire enough Apple Store Lawyers to not get booted off the platform for hosting pornography otherwise its the perfect web site

etienne

do you think there could be a possibility that next time you refrain from posting that much? It's very unseemly, what you did.

C S

Good ep boys

justdave

Best I can do for ya is some crank and a dodge neon

Julie Baxter

I for one welcome our billionaire overlords.

Philipp K

Given Vance doesn't work for McKinsey, doesn't that mean his only complaint about politics is that he doesn't love his family?

寿帝武

Going out with some self care advice and the Thermals. Finally became Citizen Radio. The circle is complete.

Rory Blank

There were a bunch of other similar articles around 2015-2017 about Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin and their "new right". It's the same shit again with the same guys. Heck, you can find similar articles going back to like 2013. Maybe earlier and I just don't care enough to look. I don't know how this keeps being "new".

Logan

Bag holder alert

justdave

The dates are from the UAE, fuk

Kamran Husain

As the American Napoleon/Ghadafi I do want you to go to work just under no circumstances shall you try too hard

Smackledorf

What a great episode. What a great episode!

Tyler Pittman

Yo Chris you can just mute Matt when he's going on another nihilist diatribe, the episodes will be better for it.

Don Aldin

How did you fucking cowards not mention Red Scare? What is this bullshit?

Mark Schneider

It sounds like faux ex-hillbilly JD Vance wants to be a new Pol Pot for the billionaires? I assume his real policies would be, liquidate non-whites; form some kind of credentialed Aristo class that enslaves the dumber whites; maybe the Aristos also get multiple wives (like Mormonism back in the day) to create a genetically superior master race to oversee the slave majorities.

Hudson

Stoked to have canceled myself from Twitter just like a week before hearing Elon was amping for the buyout. All of sudden, I've found myself in love with the world and ahead of the curve. As he might have said upon seeing that his hairplugs were working: my stars are all aligned, you fucking snowflake cunts!

Ben

My man Felix said “a vats suit from fallout”

skrrt vonnegut

hillary clinton was known for wearing vats suits on the campaign trail

Julian Drummond

Whats the organ music sampled around 21 minutes in

AbeLinkin

I’m here for the kushvlog sprints

AbeLinkin

I believe that’s Bach’s “Toccata and Fugue”

Ben

I bet you didn’t know hillary Clinton was a bunch of rats in a suit

brendan rivers

i did know that actually (got your ass)

justdave

This is sampled from the abandoned church I dwell in now

etienne

he guested on Radio War Nerd super early in the show! that's funny. I think he did great back then

stinkface

Why anyone would base their beliefs on the ideas of a person or thing that names itself "mold bug" is beyond me.

Kevin C

The Morbius we were promised

Romulus V. Snakehead

Im still on there and i like it a lot. For all the whinging about the nuclear cringe there, you really never see any of it if you dont want to.

Dan

Twitter? Who needs it? I’m on hexbear dot com

M

Chris. Please make this public. Total banger I need to forward along

M

Best ep in months

David

Ah, Cathedral of the Deep; a reference to a time before Dark Souls became a bloated asset-flip with combat AI no more creative than Motal Kombat 2 hiding behind a reputation to avoid criticism...

Justin

terrible take

Warbs

All your Ivies are belong to us

etienne

within the context of bernie bros turning into epic based techno-monarchists over a span of 4 years I would simply like to point out that Matt Christman looks almost exactly like Sam Hyde

C. Ries

Sam Hyde looks like a dollar store Leon Trotsky

Comedy News

who was he referencing? I'm in the dark

Hector Jaime

The obvious answer to the question “where else is everyone going to go?” Is…REDDIT duh!

Hector Jaime

The land acknowledgment joke is getting old

Gulb

could probably make a bunch of money off Nazi Stardew Valley

Gulb

The new new right seems to be made up of a lot of the same people from the old new right.

owen

Completely demoralized, thx guys

Shake zula

right he can't live that down he should have said a Vault Suit with PIP Boy

Derwood

Sicario holding Eric Alper at gunpoint while he posts “What’s your favorite song about driving a car or motorcycle”

Stan Refermat

Matt try to make it an hour without being totally blackpilled challenge

K

This is all theatre to me. This isn't anywhere near 1933 or 1917. And I doubt it ever will be. This "New Right" isn't former alpini and sturmtruppen who clubbed men to death in the trenches while getting bombarded by artillery for years. They can neither threaten nor protect the system in any meaningful way. The same is true of much of the left today. These groups are filled with bourgeois kids who feel discontented by a system that threw them overboard 50 years ago and left them without any coherent community or project to latch onto. And this system will just continue to decline. Unless some group has the power and metacognition to actually reimagine it. The reactionaries want to preserve some ostensible retrotopia that cannot be preserved. The radicals want to realize some ostensible utopia that cannot be realized. There really aren't any new, positive, affirmative, visions that are actually relevant to a post-industrial society facing ecological collapse. So really, there is nothing radical. Not if these ideas are from the dawn of industrial civilization. We're at its twilight, or at least some new stage should its lineage overcome itself without self destruction. It's all more or less reactionary and anti-entropic. I think the mass politics is ready for a new affirmative vision that just isn't in the ether yet. We're in the decades where nothing happens as Lenin put it. And unless some new, positive, affirmative vision is found the reactionaries will probably win the struggle as people fearfully scramble to preserve the system en masse.

Ryan Gullage

Catching up on episodes cause can’t afford Patreon donations every month but the dialectical thot on this one about the fracturing metaverses is misguided. The vampire’s castle has a moat around it, but the bridge is flooded out. Dry Boys raise yr game. And stop being late w your episodes.

pepto_azymuth

I do not remember all this happening back in April wtf