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We start off taking a moment to appreciate the immediate prescience of our Monday ep with Mr. McKenzie while discussing this week’s rapid crypto collapse. Then, it’s the more depressing news of ongoing reactions to the potential overturn of Roe v. Wade, this time looking at the media revulsion to protesting judge’s houses, as well as wondering how far Americans will allow themselves to be pushed. Finally, we find some hope in the potential for universal ascendance of human consciousness offered by James Cameron’s Avatar 2.

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etienne

it's so funny how hard the chapos were hyping this movie and then since it came out no one talked about it whatsoever, just like the first one.

orc

Mr Cameron pls save us

Harry P. Ness

Chapo Trap House's 2015 magnum opus Painted Shut

Gagortion

what was that sound clip at the beginning

Thom

in Avatar 3 the navi have to fly their sacred dragons into the two towers of the colonizers

Bobi Jon-son Kenobi

People who say Avatar 2 looks like a PS2/PS3 game has never actually played a game from those generations, possibly ever

Tei

I wrote the first comment

Michael

How many of the people who bought into crypto also bought up Iraqi Dinars back when that was a thing.

Adam Smeltzer

Just reading the description, I already know it's a banger

Matt Crossin

Will seems pretty nervous to be groping towards the logical conclusion of illegal direct action that’s being danced around here…

Des Mosome

Chapo boys. Have to keep doing things again. Don’t go back. Watch Hell or High Water. See it once. Got it right the first time. It’s great. Huge.

Matt Crossin

ok the avatar bit is funny again

Thom

a half hour of Cameron love was exactly what I needed

Clean Shirt Piggie

You glossed over Will’s excellent point that the controlling members of the Supreme Court were nominated by 2 presidents who each failed to win the popular vote. Presidential elections are the only way the people get a say on the makeup of the court. Legitimacy is long gone. What’s next?

Clean Shirt Piggie

2010 Citizens United decision opening spigots of dark money & secret buying of US political office has locked in the awful political situation in the US. It runs through all bad things

Clean Shirt Piggie

I ran a local dem caucus with about 500 WA voters in 2008 during Hillary v Obama and we tried to get everyone to sign public campaign finance petitions and get behind the issue but most people didn’t want to hear it. It was all about Hillarybots v Obamastans and that was all

Sean

Felix coin being based on PEMDAS problems is an even funnier bit when you look up cryptography, because most cryptography is based on the computational difficulty of solving factorization problems, which is a kind of PEMDAS problem

Nobody

It will be absolutely fascinating to watch Trump and the Republicans steal 2024 in front of everyone and the Dems and America just letting him do it then they ban abortion at any point after conception nationwide.

Bobby Volcano

It's just muskheads slappin caps

Bobby Volcano

Just ordered boxer briefs with Giamatti and Cameron pattern from total.com so I'm looking forward to receiving my total package of total packages and covering my whole dick

Antipaganda

Yeah, dunno why. Dave from the Dollop has already said we should burn the motherfuckers and he's still there.

Antipaganda

We don't need hope, we have Avatar 2

Matt Crossin

i mean, could even just point out the increasing militancy of French strike action in recent years, and how that merged with the gilet jaune, who both rioted and, more importantly, blocked the circulation of commodities/capital.

Jonathan lees

DC landerd wearing bedwetters luv it

THEKILLERWHALE

We've been doing that for centuries. But, yes, it did work this time, although Macron has five years to take another shot at retirement.

Proboscis Man

The Alchemical magnum opus occurs in four phases, hence the necessity of four Avatar movies.

barry

The absolute boy Giamatti

Mitch H.

Getting kind of tired of this Avatar bit

James Blackmon

Matt getting a shout out from a bonesmen is rich.

JV

"DC lanyard bedwetters" such a great simple dunk from matt

Jethro Mojave

I cant believe John Adams himself gave Matt a shoutout

Matt Crossin

was better in this one because it was actually a bit again

grimbo

Different generations same grift

William

People with lifetime appointments to a position that allows them to have the final say on how to interpret a law should absolutely be harassed at every opportunity

William

Also the NYT editorial board was totally in agreement with MLK, but didn't agree with his "methods". Not surprised another bastion of white privilege is saying the same thing 60 years later

0_dp_0

My dog sings along to the theme song every. single. time he hears it.

sanderbling

You guys know that James Cameron is Canadian right?

Jim McKenna

The best I can say is I Want To Believe. That’ll be enough for now.

Steve Nutt

He does seem to have taught Kate Winslet and Sigorney Weaver to breathe underwater, that's cool. And torturous of Hollywood actors, double cool.

Mitch H.

Canadian Vendetta is when you stab someone but apologize for it

MARGIE A ROSEBROCK

You must have Marianne Williamson on to discuss avatar 2!!!

Doug Cartel

Which way western man? Dune or avatar?

Fresh Dill

Just a bit of movie trivia as encouragement to all aspiring Cameron dick riders; bill paxton got started in movies and met Cameron and Bigelow doing odd jobs around movie sets in the early eighties

justdave

I'm Felix's son, ask me anything.

Dan Hill

Can we get a D'Souza-verse update from you boys? I need to know what's happening with the mules.

Nobody

What solution other than violence is there? Vote harder isn't real or an option. These justices need to be fucked up

David Browm

I know these guys are always joking and sometimes it’s a little irresponsible. That being said…hotel shark tank really does hit different

ceifeiro

Do the Dry Boys want James Cameron to produce a project for them or something?

etienne

I love when James Cameron goes on an interview that he knows is kinda low-stakes and he decides to pull out his most crisp Fox Motocross Racing t-shirt to wear on camera. Hard to find a man more thoroughly liberated from the current cultural and trend zeitgeist. He's truly, a man going his own way

justdave

I used to be friends with a 'big things comming' guy, we did acid and he said 'we should start a podcast' - I just started laughing like the devil

Scott Harding

I can't wait to meet you guys in person in the concentration camp before the right wingers torture us to death.

Hector Jaime

Do an episode about the baby formula industry please

Jay

Can't help but connect that "post pandora depression" to the GrabGrow DoE book's analysis of "going native" Europeans who suddenly rediscovered the human ability to defect from oppressive social arrangements into another social experiment. In Avatar, Jake Sully was profoundly ravaged and made hollow by the imperialist human world but found a transcendent new way to live with the Navi. The viewer, the subject of a global totalled capitalist machine that's gradually eating its own body before their eyes, sees what GrabGrow said was lost, the ability to move into a different life, and grieves that they know they'll never have that opportunity. I had a similar thing as a kid getting real depressed realizing Digimon wasn't real and I could never go there and have a Digimon friend. Now I'm 28 and have to go to work. Miserable

Walking Bones

Cameron will perform mass media soul transmutation and turn us all into ascendant Na'vi masters

chapotraphouse

Me (chris) and Will got invited to observe a zoom talkback from james cameron to a middle school class that was learning about the Titanic. He talked almost exclusively about deep sea research and all the questions from the kids were focused on submersibles, Titanic research, deep sea study etc. He was incredibly nice and generous sharing his passion & knowledge of the ocean with the kids, it was lovely. But I bring this up just to say he was in fact wearing the Fox Motocross Racing T during the talk lol.

BigBoto

Hearing the boys talk about American attitudes towards politicians vs. French attitudes made me sad. Will always remember during the George Floyd protests some French guy saying on Twitter "here in France even the firefighters hate the cops" and posting a pic of a Parisian firefighter stomping some filthy pig at a protest.

Devon Menendez

Is it at all possible... plausible even that JC could make it on the pod? Unlikely, but if James has taught as anything we gotta dream.

Jessica S

Crypto, breastfeeding, abortion and Avatar: talk about wide-ranging topics, well done boys! 👏🏆

Jessica S

Then tossed. We’d be better off without a court of last resort.

Jessica S

If MLK were still alive anytime after 2000, he’d be persona non grata in the mainstream media. His memory is already relegated to “I have a dream”, with no mention of his opposition to US foreign policy. My kids think MLK “solved racism” b/c of the simplified manner in which he’s taught.

PublicMarkets

The avatar ride at Disney is a fucking religious experience

P$

Can someone explain to me the embarrassing Paul Giamatti Cameo from the beginning of the episode?

Isaac Jones

I'm going to go protest inside Clarence Thomas's house

DMTotinos

And just like that the next day Elon is laying the groundwork to back out of buying Twitter

Brendan Higgins

Felix’s audio has been so fuzzy recently, gotta get a new mic or something

Kamran Husain

saw avatar uno in quebec in a french theater with headphones and 3d glasses on to dub over the booming sound. still the greatest memory of my lifetime

Remy

Feel like Cameron’s version of Napoleon’s expedition to Egypt would be going to any Sheetz in SE Ohio. He could even bring back his own Ohioan Mameluk for his imperial guard

AbeLinkin

Was just over in France and got to witness all of the town’s garbage collectors convene at city hall, chant and honk their horns and blockade traffic for an hour, dump all of the recyclable trash (to not attract rats) in the public forum. The locals seemed to treat it like a pretty regular occurrence and I enjoyed it

Dinosaur

Turn your eyes from the world of the Demiurge, embrace the true reality of the Sophia, James Cameron.

Vincent Utah

Reading over the comments section from last episode is now 10x funnier than it already was.

itsjenjen

liberals who still wear infinity scarves

Kevin C

Ray donovan is a master painter of hooker corpses

Scott Grabel

Regarding justices being left alone, David Souter didn’t even have a phone in his house

Jessica S

One observation re: British/French/similar countries vs the US is that, despite they themselves having left/right political wings they don’t seem to have as much ideological fervor over the very concept of say, even basic levels of free health care, or in some cases free higher education, etc. They squabble over funding and scope, and for sure those have been chipped away at the alter of austerity. But the existence of such services is not like, an affront to God. Perhaps that’s simply b/c their constituents broadly enjoy such benefits and, recognizing that the fabric of society has not rend itself, they expect a continuation. 🤷‍♀️ For what it’s worth, Derek and Daniel on their American Prestige podcast had a great interview discussing the recent French elections. Very fascinating, as is always the case with those two.

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2026-09-17 02:00 I must take issue with all this Cameron zeal - maybe spare a thought for the exploited Mexican laborers on Titanic and the shocking anti-Arab racism in True Lies. As for for the original “sorry about all the colonialism” themed “Avatar” is not what the the humans do to Pandora basically a form of interplanetary gentrification? Some nuance please gentlemen!
2022-05-13 19:31

Eric Adams

I will not take this John Wick slander

KatrinaJadeHelm

The Cameron talk seems over the top, but I’m in a glass house here because this is EXACTLY how I talk about Giannis Antetokounmpo.

Starry Pr1nce

Not seeing where btc, Cardano, and vechain have lost their utility due to this sht coin crash.

Ben Dayho

Will leading the Chapo Counter-insurgency by falsely stating that violence will not help achieve one's aims.

Owen Urech

Compared to the US the French have much stronger labor agitation, but they protest so much and so violently because their negotiating stance with the bosses is usually weak. Protests are the last line of defense against a bad contract or retirement age increases because they can’t secure as much in their contracts as say the Germans. Maybe the protests are a tool in themselves for “scaring” politicians but Macron still got through welfare reform and neoliberal policy anyway. Also I’m always reminded of Chomsky saying in America “they’ll just shoot you.”

K

I remember in your World Tree Center episode you guys sort of shrugged off the flying reptiles that Jake Sully bonds with as an arbitrary plot point. But I think that it's the key bit of symbolism James Cameron is going for. In a world of maggots devouring greenery, Jake Sully (the name translates to "supplant" and "defile") is a caterpillar who wants to be a butterfly (his first line is about him dreaming of flying after he loses his legs). And he finally metamorphosizes into that after his incubation in the cocoon. Of course there are a lot of concurrent symbols about fetal development, birth, etc. But I think James Cameron is positing a new stage of human development a la Kubrick or Nietzsche. And unlike maggots or even caterpillars, butterflies do not destroy or consume, but rather spread the seeds of life in their maturation. And dig up what we can about James Cameron's various faux pas or bad politics, I don't think anyone can take his profound and radical message away from him as you guys point out.

K

Also, Jake Sully is probably the most relatable character I've encountered in cinema. And you have to love James Cameron casting an actor who was living in his car. As a young man with a chronic illness, I felt shocked at how close to Jake Sully my life trajectory had taken me. I thought the depiction of his alienation and exploitation by institutions, PMCs, etc was uncannily relatable. I think a lot of young men related to this film in a profound way. And the film, as well as your World Tree Center episode, inspired me to start a career in the strained wastewater industry. Yeah it sounds corny, but in August of 2021 I was contemplating suicide. Yesterday I got to press enough sludge to fertilize enough crop to feed 2 people for a year.

K

I think Jake Sully may have been a bit autobiographical to Cameron, who was a truck driver before going into Hollywood. As for some other brilliant little subversive details to "Avatar," Grace Augustine is named for the unwitting just war theorist for a millennium and a half of western civilization, who is then graced with Eywah's redemptive insights.

Hector Jaime

Well, thanks to Matt, at least I just found out that “legitimated” is a word.

C G

i hope the guys see this and read it during their inevitable world tree center 2 pod

justdave

You guys need to leave Elon Musk alone, nobody blames Gerald Ford for all of his cars that exploded

Tom drumpf

Cybertruck looks like a folded piece of foil

The Other Lauren

just thought of a solution to this stablecoin crisis. nadacoin. starts at $0, ends at $0. always worthless, so it’s always stable

Caleb

So fucking pumped for avatar 2 now

justdave

His genius is obviously beneath you, on impact it will shred like paper sending sheets of cheap, light metal like shurikin into on coming traffic, which is really metal when you think about it

justdave

Elon musk is the Joker is what I'm say'n

Victor Prado

Infinitely better epi on crypto than the one with that low iq actor

Jon

It’s weird that chapo waxes poetic about avatar’s thinly veiled ideology but seems to think something like don’t look up is gauche

Laurel

And…

Shiv

Good for you, I don’t watch sports anymore and when I am Giannis-pilled

Gordon Schmidt

I once read an interview with the woman who played Vasquez in Aliens (Jennette Goldstein) who said she was once on set for Titanic, and they had just wrapped up the first take of a shot, but when Cameron ordered everything to reset for the second take, a little boy extra was confused. Cameron orders everyone on set to be quiet, and then goes over to the kid and basically takes a few minutes to explain how the process of shooting a scene works.

Bill

Can't tell if the Avatar stuff is a bit or not

Matthew Black

After watching the Avatar trailer I can only say: Chapo is My Family, Chapo is My Fortress

Gulb

The first Avatar wasn't good either.

J.P. McD.

Organize your workplace or your building. It’s a prerequisite for anything else.

Kinetics Video

Definitely support the movie picture Bonapartist agenda. I think it's nuts to think of Cameron as the front man, though. I mean, obvs he's high up in an administrative apparatus, but like I don't even know what the guy looks like. The real purpose of an executive in the 21st century is to appear in memes, and for that reason I propose Leonardo DiCaprio as First Consul

justdave

OK, I just saw the northman, it was fuking amazing- its like this awsome reshooting of one of those russo-finnish, barely colorized, actions movies from like the 40's- but it's about the revenge of the failson, fukn sick!

No

The Chinese government fired, imprisoned or executed the people responsible for the tainted infant formula in 2008, despite all the horrible cover-ups. No one will ever be punished for this in the US. No one who poisoned Flint did

No

Imagining James Cameron doing the whiff of grapeshot to a horde of counter-revolutionary Marvel fans

Nobody

Lol are you going to pay my bills? I don't have a "building". How are you going to organize a workplace when you'll have people who want an abortion ban?

Nolan

Me and my friends think abortion is really cool hmu

Ben Zaretsky

This Episode part of what I love about chapo despite their - at times toxic but hilarious nihilism about our world - they are true enthusiasts for movies and art.

Zarathushtra

I've never considered canceling my Patreon in all the years I've listened, but the time has come. If I have to hear them say cap un-ironically all episode I can't continue listening .

etienne

Matt Christmas is the total package

Joe Bowden

The tories do all that they can get away with privatising and underfunding the public sector and using it to make money for themselves and their mates. But yeah the NHS is probably one of the most popular institutions in the UK. There is outrage about the Tories policies toward the NHS but we are even more cucked than you in some ways in actually calling for change. We just love to wallow in misery

Tom drumpf

Well you made me chuckle

Michael Landreth

Violence is not an option either. Peasant-fueled violence was a flaw in the Death Star recognized long ago and corrected by the slow development of the state’s monopoly on violence.

Mosie

back in my day capping meant shooting someone. Zoomers are at it again

Nolan

What about a movie called the northmen but instead of vikings it’s me avenging the 2004 dunkin donuts stabbing of my father.

William

Does it matter? Why are people afraid to genuinely like something

Brandon

Whats the song at 18:00 lol

Sammi

that’s great, Nolan

etienne

just noticed that the DEA patch logo jpg from the RSS feed had a ©Ebay at the bottom left. quite funny

Minaisen

Sorry but the amount of time between Avatar 1 and 2 is about the same as the time between Return of the Jedi and the Phantom Menace. Also the Na'vi are just giant blue Ewoks.

David

The avatar/james cameron stuff is just dead boring....

Valerie

Looking forward to sharing the cultural experience of a new Avatar with Chapo, truly even the worst timelines have a silver lining.

mark

the avatar/james cameron stuff is just hilarious

Jimmy McMillan

Your right. I just blame him for spreading nazi propaganda and earning the esteem of becoming Hitler's favorite American

Pizza Poodle

Fuck yeah K! Thanks for the insight (and cleaning up the planet)

Tor

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