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In a slight programming swerve on this 4/20, we’re joined by independent journalist Dave Infante to discuss the wide world of Beverages. First, we look into a figure who combines boomer business brain, ideologically void conservatism, hyperconsumerism, MMA, stem-cell abuse and a self-destructive inability to stop posting, all into one guy…it’s Bang! Energy CEO Jack Owoc. Then we look into the broader beverage industry, including energy drinks, brain beverages, how Boomers wine consumption keeps the industry alive, the rise of legal weed, and of course the whole “Bud Lite is trans now” thing, plus the hilariously bungled attempt by a right wing influencer to make a Based Beer.

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Laurel

Happy 420

Peter Gorman

FIFA president Dave Infante??

Ben Frawley

The description alone has me sold! Can’t wait to listen

J. A.

Its so funny how much trap lord Ross Felix has watched

Government Acid

jesus, the cutout of jack owoc looks uncannily like a younger nixon. truly unnerving quality for a truly unnerving man

Sam

was joking w my friend saying “thats sugar man!” back and forth when I got the new ep notification… truly manifesting…

Calvin Bishop

Great job boys, this was the best episode in years. I’ll listen tomorrow.

Tim O'

Bud Light's problem is that it isn't gay enough for Chapo's audience

Thom

hell yeah listening to this and playing Castlevania. I wish I could live in Castlevania.

Jack Sherman

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

Roy

I like my beverages how I like my podcasts: brainy, energetic, and gay.

NYCM&AHole

This shit rules. I am like the caffeine user equivalent of a fentanyl addict.

Jose De Leon

Please get this man a lozenge

Kenneth Smith

I’m completely behind Will on the driving buzzed thing. If that happened, we’d finally be able to say “incredible things are happening in America”

NYCM&AHole

That’s what drinking bang does to your vocal cords. The caffeine is absorbed on the way down

Major bit me

Finally, Jessie J making an appearance on the pod

Thom

can you imagine if the US banned alcohol again, and you'd see like drones carrying barrels of moonshine flying over your house

Tam Mansilver

10 seconds of hearing this man’s voice and I had to abort

Ben Zaretsky

This is great so far. Five out of five chapos Can we get an insane billionaires series Also the guest is a king more of him

J. A.

With a blue tooth speaker and a phone strapped to it playing banjo muaic

SCB

Not a great week for slop, folx.

Thom

I would honestly play Warren Zevon's Werewolves of London just to get their hopes up that it was the Kid Rock version but no, they're mistaken, it's the god Warren

plainwrap

I had a brother-in-law who used to consume like 6 Monster energy drinks a day. It ended up corroding a hole through his intestines and he got sepsis. He survived, but damn.

Gordon Schmidt

Will is wrong, Gen Z made cigarettes gay too

Joshua

I, for one, love the Steve-O voice

Dr Nermal Funkenstein

Gen Z may be drinking less overall, but I'm doing my part, Citizens

Corey Reynolds

As a former fat kid and Tim Dillon fan. We were feed poison in the 1990’s(surge, Coke,etc). Alcohol isn’t as damaging as a coke at 9 am every day is…

Max Beta

Saw the comments & was still unprepared when the guest came on. This guy makes Murder Bryan sound like Barry White.

Dan

I thought the guest was Brace Belden doing a character.

Christopher Price

Require everyone to retake it and their license states their legal BAC.

Thom

Rondo of Blood, which was slept on by many, myself included

Goff Costello

Bang literally has a "Military" flavoured energy drink.

JV

this is cool after just randomly listening to that old ep felix did on another podcast about michael savage and rockstar energy

Jack Nagel

Best interview in a while

LEAH NELSON

Ok I am too young because bang reminds me of senior year of high school

Michael Ouderkirk

Candy Apple Crisp goes hard. Tough flavor to find though.

Ll

Dave was great! I am ashamed to admit that I enjoy the Cotton Candy Bang, but it's good stuff.

Christian Johnson

Waking up to something entitled Bang Bus had me horny on main

Jack Sorensen

Bang is for boys, Rip It is for men

Nick Perri

Jack looks like Alan Thiiiicke

Doug Cartel

more like Jack OwO walking into the lobby of Pepsi HQ, shouting I INDICT THEE and walking out like "youve been indicted"

Dyyyyylan

Felix and Matt have mastered the surprise ‘un-mute after 15 minutes of recording’ move.

AlexT

When I go on dates I talk about creatine shits. That way my date knows that I not only know about creatine but that I also use the product.

Jaime Christley

"I was never into that whole craft beer scene" Yeah sure man.

ploob

The Thirst MUTILATOR

Kamran Husain

idk in new england we got shit like lawsons beer (ct owned in vt) or harpoon (boston) buying out slightly smaller breweries

James Blackmon

Just a side note, the founder of Rockstar energy drink is Michael Savage's son, Russell Weiner.

Jeffrey Miller

I know, I was disappointed for a bit.

adam

I used to drink a Bang every single day.

Corey Reynolds

The Chapo boys have to be New Zealand Sauv Blancs fans, right?

Kai

Zaza is legal in Arizona

Jesse DeStasio

This guest sounds like Derek D-Tours

Johnny S.

Dave is great. I work in the beer industry and he is a great resource for labor rights in the industry.

3SOC

ok Bang! Energy has a Seltzer line, and if you take a 5-gallon jug and fill it with 4 Bang! Seltzer, 2 Bang! energy in a compatible flavor, one liter of fruit juice, and a handle of dark rum, you've got yourself a nice little riot in a jug

John

What the fuck I was blissfully unaware of any of this Bang! shit and was confused when I stopped seeing it at the local store. lol

Jaime Christley

Some fun stuff from the Caffeine Informer website: - the 300 mg caffeine content for a 16 oz Bang drink is high but not remarkable. a lot of Bang's competitors, as well as other kinds of coffee drinks, go north of 1000 mg for a similar sized drink - caffeine can kill you! if you consume 150 mg of caffeine for every kg of your body weight, you're a goner. an adult male weighing about 180 lbs would need to drink 40 Bang drinks to get there. also you would never reach the lethal dose because your body would continue peeing it out. the most that would happen is you'd get so high that you'd invent a new form of mathematics and temporarily acquire the ability to see sounds, and get a tummy ache. - don't drink energy drinks, not because they're bad for you, but because they taste like carbonated horse piss. sodas aren't great either but 1-2 cans of Diet Coke in a day won't ever hurt you. - instead, if you're against water, like I am ("Fish fuck in it" - WC Fields), take solace in the humble CUP OF COFFEE. don't overdo it, but also - don't worry about overdoing it! you want to lower your blood pressure? sure, you could cut back on coffee, but you could do a lot of other things instead, like quit getting takeout & fast food and cold cuts, take brisk walks, do 5-6 deep breaths and think about, I dunno, beaches or whatever. water is bad. stick to coffee. - one exception to water is night water. when you wake up in the night and you need a hit, there's nothing like a swig of night water. from the tap, from the bottle, doesn't matter. night water, folks EDIT: not all of this is from that Caffeine website. sorry, not meaning to mislead. it's all true tho

William Evans

My whole office drinks Bang. Make this main feed.

Laurel

Very caffeinated post

Derwood

John Wilson takes the approach of Bang! being cult like because that's really what it is. Lots of parrallels to like, Falun Gong. Owoc is claiming his beverage has magical healing properties. Just like the TikTok Giant stuff, people basically believe what a medievil peasant would. In this case, potions. Like half of the "health and wellness" industry is now just esoteric ingredients/chemical mixtures claiming incredible properties like healing or increasing strength/intellect. American consumers have the same understanding of health that a Skyrim player has.

Jaime Christley

*looks up from my check from Big Caffeine* I'm just looking out for my homies

Geoffrey Holland

"Hands off that tall boy in the bathroom! And put the beer down too!"

Besand

I’m cracking a Bang while listening rfn

Gubriel

What are we drinking post-workout? I mix 30-45g of whey protein into 2 cups of milk so I can do the 'more milk per milk' thing in real life

jack flowers

just drink diluted lychee juice like a true gentleman

zetsubunn

i got bad news: cigarettes don't protect you from catching gender.

Stephen David Miller

Will must have given up on craft beer a long time ago if he thinks they’re all IPAs. I feel like the Pilsner / Lager / Golden Ale trend has been huge for years at this point.

Instantdumbass

Wait I’m not supposed to drink a bottle of wine a day?

Bill Crotts

I have taken approximately 2 sips of energy drink in my entire life. Cocaine seems like a way better move

T

Just look at what british people call them

Declan Hertel

me too, shudder to think of all the cancer i’ve got

Walking Bones

Indeed, if anything, cigs enhanced my acceleration into gender

Walking Bones

Ok, there's never been a better advertisement than Matt bellowing "Finnish Long Drink!" I felt the need, the overwhelming obligation, to consume it.

Damen Irving

I think we gotta bring back billy beer. It’s truly the beverage for our time

Collyn Marsh

Was not aware that a Beverage Industry episode was something that I wanted. Nice.

tysonw81

Coke originally containing cocaine is so well known, but it doesn't seem as known that 7Up (still the best lemon/lime soda) contained lithium.

clodhopper

Their beverage expert really doesn't know the craft beer industry all that well either because preorders are definitely a thing for seasonal barrel-aged stouts and such.

etienne

I read a couple reports of college students who put themselves in mild caffeine OD status by misusing pills and tbh I think I'd rather it be fatal based on the descriptions of the symptoms

etienne

Marlboro went from the girly cig that didn't taste as strong as Winstons, for women, to the manly cowboy cig for guys i.e. Marlboro is canonically transmasc

Kyle

Best episode in a while.

Gina Calabrese

This episode made me prolife, congratulations

Joshua Garcia

I drank two Bangs back to back yesteday

etienne

there's a pod recap channel on youtube that just posted the Grubstaker ep that Felix did about the Rockstar energy guy and I hugely recommend

Jaime Christley

You can’t get EL MARIACHI and SPY KIDS without some pharmaceutical hanky panky now and then

etienne

my analysis of what happened with craft beer is thus: the macros in the US realized they left a huge gaping hole in the market and that's what made people flock to micros, to drink something that isn't garbage. so the macros just tried putting out more mid market products, and bought the more viable micros and helped them scale with the strenght of their distribution network. And presto, no if you're in a bar and want a beer and are above age 27 you can get a nice Fat Tire or Blue Moon instead of a like Bud or Heineken. Everyone happy

james

Dave Infante is just alcohol-consuming Ken Bone

Jaime Christley

I want a meat episode so we can uncover and apprehend all the depraved Chapo replyers who wash their raw chicken in the sink

Jaime Christley

Obviously you're supposed to wash meat in the toilet.

DM

had an incredible moment of sadness with fellow bang enjoyers at the circle k when we realized it was gone.

DM

BANG (Pre-lawsuit formation)IS ONE OF THE BEST ENERGY DRINKS EVER MADE it is a shame monster sued them instead of making a better energy drink.

JT

Thank you boys for once again defending the good name of soda.

Justin Slepicka

I once drank a Bang at 1 AM after not drinking caffeine for 3 years. That was horrifying.

Gabipentin

Cutting off the Nicki verse? Jail.

Gabipentin

aaaaahhhhh! the bang champagne has always been celebrated for it's excellence!

(American spirit menthol

It is not "sugar water" It has zero calories and tons of artificial sweetener. This is why it's popular among anorexics

Marcus

If I see someone exit a bathroom with a beverage, I'm going to assume that person is drinking piss.

Michael Balls Penis

Not in the Bay Area man. Half the places you go it’s just all IPA on tap and normies like myself have to drink bottled beer. But eh Stella’s alright. The kids however, are not.

Zach Pierce

Foster’s. Australian for BEE-AH. Head for the Mountains OF BUSCH. BEEER. Nothing like the flavor and the special taste/ of Old Milwaukee Beer. WAAAZUUUUPP

J. A.

Nick mullen would be a 7up drinker

Joe

Has anyone here actually had Orange Bang! (The Plaintiff, not The Defendant)? It’s rare to find a convenience store that has it on tap, but it’s an absolutely fantastic treat.

Bockrocker

This is like Chapo x Grubstakers collab (RIP)

Nolan

One time I drank two bangs in one day at work and had to throw up in a bag of fertilizer.

Alex DuBois

Had never heard of it before, consumed it the same day I listened to this. Fully juniper-pilled now.

J

Cocaine-atine

MKatieUltra

When an area’s water supply is low in lithium, people commit more violent crimes

Matelda

My favorite energy drink is Rockstar, which also gives me the fewest withdrawal migraines. They used to have an awesome peach flavor, but now i just drink the sugar free gold one that has 50% the caffeine. I think they were the main sponsor of Girls Gone Wild which is lowkey problematic but from what I hear Monster is the official sponsor of Satan, so there's no perfect option

Will

The guest is just Michelangelo, the radical Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle.

Bobi Jon-son Kenobi

I first heard of Jack on the Jeff Gerstmann Show, the #1 energy drink review and video game podcast

puppygirl

rolling a fat one to honor the spirit of marty

Cameron

Do the roar!

Corey Reynolds

I’ve been in the craft beer industry part time for the last 5 years. It does seem like the craft beer industry is on a downturn. Some breweries will survive. Some won’t. Some will be bought out. Some won’t. But I wished the boys spoke about how craft beer culture is alcoholism dressed up as a hobby. But you can’t be too made at anything that gets people away from the internet and outside on a patio with beer and friends. Can you? Idk. Maybe you can.

J.P. McD.

Bottled shakes like Core Power (26g) or the rare 50g Pure Pro. The former and some 30g ones taste like milkshakes, the latter is a tad less pleasant but not bad

J.P. McD.

Chick-Fil-A has the GOAT fountain Coke/Cherry Coke/Dr. Pepper, McDonald’s is also good. Taco Bell and BK underuse syrup or something stupid like that

Do They Ever Shut Up

I think I worked for one of the companies that shipped alcohol. It's called spirits and spice interesting stuff

Matthew Dunn

Fuck beer, drink hard liquor

james

This post is a fraud on the American public. This post was made against my will and is a violation of my first amendment rights. I did not create this post and was forced to post it against my will. —Jack Owoc

Crosley Querin

What a strangely interesting and engaging episode.

Robbie Schram

In fairness to energy drink grandpa, creatine does have neurological benefits.

Jaime Christley

Saw that my local Casey’s is stocking Long Drink, I figured what the hell, you gotta go sometime. Might post thoughts.

Michael

Great episode, loved the singular focus on an industry that I don't think people think about very much, especially how it ties into how weird America is (what doesn't tbh)

Michael Dziengel

Why no Don Beverage sound drops? I expected better.