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VERY IMPORTANT SURVEY - PLEASE READ TO THE END BEFORE VOTE!

  • "per-creation" payment type(amount of paid posts = amount of money from 1 patron: 7 works=7$) 30
  • "monthly" pament type(fixed amount of money based on "tiers" system like: 5$, 10$, 15$ and etc.) 70
  • 2023-08-01
  • —2023-08-08
  • 100 votes
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Hello. For the past year I have noticed a constant outflow of patrons. I won’t even know how to find out the reason for the outflow, because those who left anyway will not see the post if i ever ask them here why, but now I want to know an opinion from all of you. Still, how do you feel more comfortable being here? I mean there is 2 payment system on Patreon:

1. This is a payment "per-creation"

2. This is a "monthly" type of payment.

From the start and until now I have worked on 1st system(per-creation). But it has a lot of nuances, both advantages and disadvantages. For me, the first option primarily serves as an additional motivator to work and not be lazy. Thus, I am pleased with myself and believe that I deserve the funds that you spend on supporting me. The disadvantage of this system is unfair people - thieves. Since they can access all the content by paying just $1, download it all in 5mins , and then leave by chargeback their pledge. As a result, because of this, all content is posted to the sites of these thieves. And hence the next disadvantage comes from this. Why would people pay when they can see it all for free? At least I trying to track this behavior and ban people who do it. And believe me, there are sooooo many people on my black list here. Some of them still had the audacity to ask me to unban them, pretending to be fools who did not understand what they were doing. 90% of the rest perfectly understood why they were banned and no one wrote a single message to me. And in the end, I came to the conclusion that in last year I lost almost half of the patrons, peak amount was 356. Accordingly, my income has halved, and expenses have increased 4 times, due to the fact that I left for another country, and I need to pay for rent and other things, some of which are much more expensive here than in Russia. Please do not take this as an attempt to put pressure on pity, it's just a fact.  If we talking about second type, then here 1 advantage for me it's stable and fixed amounts of payment for everyone, but at the same time this is disadvantage for me from the point of additional motivator to not to be lazy and etc. Like if can do tiers and etc, but what i can give in that tiers i have no clue. Like i can separate posts and give 8k versions for highest tires and 4k for lower ones, and regualr FHD images for basic, but i don't want to split up my community, it's sucks. What else i can do? How to make this system effective for you and me, I don't know...  So if you have any suggestions please leave them in comments. Or if you have some thoughts about other things about type of content and etc. Also i want to ask have you ever had the urge to unsubscribe? Well, like once i did something you didn’t like very much, or i started doing less of something you like more than other things? Or something of it was too much? I asking for your honest answer, I am not touchy, and I need this to understand how to correct the situation. Perhaps i need to include some characters that everyone missing, or vice versa, refuse amount of some others, and things like that. In general, i need to do something, but for this, I need statistics.  I also want to touch on the issue of the monthly outflow of patrons. Have you ever wanted to unsubscribe because the number of patrons for some reason dropped sharply in the start of the month and you started to think something going wrong, or i did something bad and people started unsubscribing and you also started worry about it? If in short It's just how Patreon works. Every month when the charging period comes, some people have auto-confirmation turned off and the patreon freezes their accounts of such users, making their subscription inactive until they confirm the payment, but nevertheless they still have access to content, but they are removed from the counter of active patrons from the main page. After the payment is confirmed, Patreon returns them back and their subscription is counted as active in counter again. So back to our question: With which payment system do you feel more comfortable being here?

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Tahoe

Привет, Шиззи) Сразу скажу, что говорю только за себя. И я понятия не имею, какая система лучше для меня, как подписчика. Я пришёл сюда, чтобы поддержать любимого контентмейкера копеечкой, а уж какая система оплаты будет, это, наверное, решать тебе. На счёт недобросовестных патронов – наверное, благодаря им я и узнал о тебе и твоём творчестве и я особо не обижаюсь на то, что кто-то имеет бесплатный доступ к контенту, за который я плачу, хотя я понимаю, что эта проблема важнее скорее для тебя, как для автора. Если честно, ты, в общем-то, единственный автор из-за которого я пришёл на Патреон)) Соответственно, желания отписаться у меня никогда не было, но у меня было дело, когда были проблемы с финансами и мне пришлось, так сказать, урезать все статьи расходов и Патреон тогда был не исключением. Но, то жизнь бедного студента, и это вряд-ли касается твоего вопроса. В общем, я приму любое твоё решение.

ShizzyZzZzZz

Спасибо за поддержку) Ну вот щас у меня такое же время) когда всё урезается, в этом месяце получил полторашку, половина из которых сразу идет на аренду, еще половина на медицину и врачей, а остальное что останется уже на хавчик пойдет) Деньги то это ладно. У меня просто сама тенденция постоянного оттока аудитории в какое то недоумение вводит. Вроде бы все остальные медиа площадки растут как на дрожжах, твиттер, р34, 3дх. Вообщем плане есть тенденция роста и раньше патреон был частью её, медленно но верно статистика росла. Но вот с 2021 года всё на спад пошло. Скорее всего корона сказалась это да, но уже вроде как считай год+ как эта зараза прошла, а тенденция на спад продолжается, я уже скоро к показателям 2017-2018 года вернусь. Тут комплекс проблем, а каких именно понять не могу. Часть очевидна, но другая часть пока как то не проявляется) Вот и решил узнать, может я что то неправильно делаю, или еще чего.

Tahoe

Ну, быть может это связано с большой доступностью твоих работ? Как ты сам сказал: "Зачем платить, если можно получить бесплатно?" Это, конечно, мои предположения и я так же не знаю размеры твоей аудитории. Но что если сделать Патреон основной твоей площадкой, а все остальные платформы использовать только для, скажем так, популяризации твоего творчества? Ты можешь постить основную часть своих работ здесь и в 4/8к, а на другие платформы закидывать работы по остаточному принципу и только в HD. Ещё раз скажу, что это только мои предложения, которые основаны только на информации из твоего поста.

ShizzyZzZzZz

Ну вообще я именно так и делаю) только раньше это работало а теперь не работает) ну или перестает работать.

Yargh

Regarding that lack of communication from the one and done folk, if you’re not paying a creator, you cannot communicate with the creator.. at least in my experience on here.

ShizzyZzZzZz

Yeah, it's base of it, But the "devil" is in little details as usual)

Bim Skeeble

I've been a long time supporter of yours, and will continue to support ☺️

Arch

I'll be honest I've been supporting you long term despite my general dislike for futa stuff. My main motivator to support you was that I really love your renders and pinups of Skarlet, Jade, Cassie and Sindel. I didn't mind spending extra $s here and there on unwanted futa content because I know I'm supporting a good artist. I think for past couple of years I unsubscribed only once because I needed to cut my Patreon expenses. I also know why you need support(I actually live in the same country as you) so I'm not going away any time soon. I do however prefer the first type of billing because otherwise I would probably be locked off of the highest rezolution variants from top tier. But I will understad if you want to move to the new type of billing. Art thieves suck.

ShizzyZzZzZz

Thank you for honest answer!) And thank you for the support for a long time) If i switch to new method i don't think i will separate resolutions to different tires, as i said i don't want to separate community, so it probably will be just one 5$ tier for everyone. I don't know maybe i will post extra stuff for higher tiers like .PSD files of the renders i don't know... Actually i reached that level when raw renders almost doesn't need any postprocessing, so i don't know if it will be relevant)

Zero

Dear Shizzy, Since you are openly asking for the opinions of your audience and hearing us out, I will subscribe to you this month just so I can share mine. Quick disclaimer, I do not speak for anyone here except myself and I will tell you all the reasons why I am usually unable to stay subscribed. But before I do, I want you to know that I will 100% agree with anyone that says you are an amazing artist, you deserve every cent you make, and I wish I could stay subscribed to you more often. I Do love your work, and I apologize for how long this will be, but I take MANY factors into account when staying subscribed to anyone, including yourself. Now... Reason 1- Life: I live from paycheck to paycheck like most people, and sometimes personal needs get in the way of all my subscriptions (Amazon, Xbox Live, etc.). Food, Rent, Water, Power, Television, Internet, and if I'm REAL unlucky; My car starting to break down and a trip to the mechanic. Sometimes unexpected living expenses come up and I cannot afford to stay subscribed to everything I like, as much as I would want to. Reason 2- Content: I'm not a big fan of Futa. HOWEVER!... The scenes you've made with Futa have begun to change my views about it, but I still have some problems with it. I do not like seeing cum on faces, At All. It makes me nauseous, and when your girls have cum/makeup running down their face, or you can see it in their mouths, it's a HUGE turn off. I want to see them being beautiful. I'm ok with blowjobs, but I don't like seeing the end results. Also the positions of the characters and camera angles make a big difference for me too. Three of my favorite scenes that you've ever made is: The foursome between Kitana, Tanya, and Sindel, with what looks like Mileena restraining Kitana (if you remember which scene that is), You have a pinup from a VERY Long time ago of Jade, wearing a green thong, covering her nipples, smiling at the camera. In my opinion, that one was Almost perfect for my liking. If her hands weren't covering her boobs, and you removed the thong, I'd have payed for a 4 or 8K version. But I think you made that one before I discovered you, AND, even longer ago, you have a scene of Sheeva and Mileena together. Sheeva has been one of my favorites for a long time and while it is a shame that she was lost from your roster long ago, I think she would've added a great deal of variety and possibilities in your content. Reason 3- Previews: I'm real picky about the scenes that you make. I'm ok with pinups, no problem with sex or blowjobs. Scissoring is boring for me, and facial cum is a big NO. With all the content you can release in a months time, I may only enjoy between 1 to 3 pieces. Maybe if you could release really low-res, pixelated previews, and I see something I like, I would definitely pay for 4 or 8K versions. I also think it kinda hurts your content when the only feedback you accept is from subscribers. I've wanted to comment on many posts you've made, but I can understand comments being locked to subscribers only, if you get more toxicity than Constructive Criticism from the general public. Reason 4- Payment: Paying a set amount per month is also easier for me, because then I can more accurately calculate my living expenses and see if I have enough to stay subscribed or not. But when there's no telling how many posts I may or may not be aware of, it can be an unpleasant surprise to discover that there were more posts in a month than I was aware of, that I'd be paying for, especially if it's posts that have content I'm not interested in. So that makes a difference to my account as well. But yea, those are my thoughts on why I cannot stay subscribed to you as often as I would like. A combination of both, "The type of content released, likeable or unlikeable" and "sacrificing subscriptions to survive in todays expensive world. I follow Many Many artists, and I always have to see who's work I like the most, for the amount I can afford to pay. I've obviously been a subscriber before, but when I get access to posts that have already been paid for, I scroll through everything and I skip downloading about 90% of what you've made. I REALLY don't have a lot of work saved from you, you're probably one of the smallest folders on my computer. The detail in your characters is next level, but it's also the camera angle, character positions, and the actions they're doing. I love all your MK characters, but I've not always liked how their set up. If anything, you probably have more money from me, than I've downloaded content from you. Because of this, I let go staying subscribed because of content that was ALMOST what I'm looking for, but not quite there.. But I know you'll profit more appealing to the interests of the bigger majority of what people want, and I'm obviously not in that majority. As I said at the beginning of this, since you're opening up to Constructive Criticism, as a person that tries to be honorable, I will stay subscribed this entire month out of thanks for listening to us, if only to get in my critique to you as well... and I also hope I see something interesting while I'm subscribed. But currently, I may unsubscribe again after my payment goes through on September 1st. Thanks again for opening up to us, and I hope this helps.

ShizzyZzZzZz

Thanks for the detailed answer and for support!) i also thinking about little previews for posts, but patreon have no this functionality yet unfortunatley, that why i doing blurred previews for additional angles of render sets on my twitter. I will do it here 100% when this functionality will be available officially for paid posts, but right now i can use only that way with twitter. I also would like to do free posts, like it was before, but right now Patreon policy prohibits making public posts with items that contains porn or just nudity, and page will be suspended, like it was before when i was taken in army, and in that time was released new Patreon policy about that, and i was suspended and tried to get in touch with patreon about half of the year after i got home, only when i asked patrons to write about this porblem to them they answered me and unsuspended my page and removed me from their ban list. I would like to keep posting with the main render for everyone, and blurred extra angles for patrons in same post, and another post for patrons with full content, but that doesn't work right now. Although maybe I can come up with something with censorship and free posts with previews. This is a good idea by the way. Why didn't I think about this before? lol. I think I will do it. This will be more convenient for everyone, people will have an approximate idea of ​​the content of the full post and will be able to decide for themselves what they want to pay for and what not. Thanks for the idea! This also will solve the problem of non-desired content behind paywall for individual people. It won't be a mixup anymore, and you won't have to guess what's inside with spending your money on the cat in a bag. I will ask about this Patreon support about this, maybe I can post at least uncensored pin-ups for everyone. We'll see)

captainsir

Love your work, Shizzy. I'm here for the MK renders and I'm into the whole range, e.g. futa/non-futa, action and pin-ups. The non-MK robotic or animalistic models do nothing for me but I know some of those are non-charged and/or tests. Finance-wise, the only times I've had to cancel are when I've had to carefully watch my money that month. I'm perfectly happy paying a monthly fee, $5 is the sweet spot for me for basic tiers offering new HQ uploads. I hope you can work something out that supports you better. 🙌

Bappo

I'm not too knowledgeable on how to help, but I do wanna say I will continue to support you no matter what. Your work has always amazed me and still continues to do so. I just wanna say though, if you ever see me cancel and then resub, it isn't because I took any thing, I occasionally have financial issues. I don't download images as to not get into stealing, so I just wanted to give a heads up. Best day to you, and I hope everything works out better for you. :)