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Doctor Who 6x10 The Girl Who Waited CLEAN (Patreon)

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2025-01-01 20:00:05
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What a wonderful episode... Loved the setting and premise and EMOTION in this one, even if the initial setup annoyed me because it all could have easily been avoided. But then, we wouldn't have an episode, would we 😜

I love that this story made me realise just how perilous things can be when you're travelling with the Doctor. Like I said at the end, this would probably be it for me. It's been great, thank you, but I'm done. Come back and visit soon, please!

Great episode... So heartbreaking. Amy and Rory were brilliant, and I love that they've been getting a lot of screen time lately. As much as I loved the Doctor Donna.... these three together just hit that emotional spot for me, and I love it.

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Tick Macphee

I mean who in there right mind presses the red button? But yes Rory still could have said green button.

Neil Hanson

I mean, after nearly (AND actually) dying multiple times, what happened with Amy here, what happened with their daughter, etc, in reality you'd have to be crazy to continue travelling with the Doctor. Luckily this isn't reality though so we get to see more of this teams continuing adventures. Juliette 💜 thanks for another great reaction and I hope your year got off to an excellent start.

Jason

The following only concerns this episode and what has happened so far, however it is best taken in the context of the overall series and its arc as it pertains to River. For this reason, though technically it contains no spoilers, Juliette, I would strongly advise not reading this until the series end and then returning then if you are curious what I'm rambling on about! A criticism of this series to this point is that the matter of Amy and Rory losing their baby is never directly addressed. And this is true. However this episode does address it indirectly, but in a very crucial way, a way I think is often missed and that leads to the ending, particularly that last look the Doctor gives has been misinterpreted. Lets go back to end of Demons Run, Amy has lost her baby, the minisode made before the second half of series 6 returned is very important here, in it Amy calls the TARDIS begging the Doctor for news of her baby, reminding him that he promised her he would find her, and he does not answer but simply listens looking troubled. Why? What's the problem? He said he knew where she was and he knew she would be fine. What exactly has the Doctor been tasked with here? Amy and Rory have asked them to get their baby back. The Doctor can in fact do this, he knows where River was taken as a child, to the children's home in America, he can rescue her, he can return her to Amy and Rory. But what then happens to the River we know? What happens to the River whose adventures we have followed and with whom the Doctor has formed a deep personal bond? This episode answers that- she would no longer exist, replaced with the younger Melody Pond who would have an entirely different upbringing. It becomes far more obvious what the subtext is if you take the final conversation between Rory and the Doctor at the TARDIS door and simply switch the names- DOCTOR: I lied to her, Rory. There can never be two River's in the Tardis. The paradox is too massive. RORY: You can't leave her (adult River). She'll die... DOCTOR: No, she'll never have existed. When we save Melody, this future (River) won't have happened. RORY: But she happened. She's there... DOCTOR: No, she's not real. RORY: She is real. Let her in. DOCTOR: Look, we take this River (baby Melody), we leave ours (adult River). Only one River in the Tardis. Which one do you want? It's your choice. RORY: This isn't fair. You're turning me into you. DOCTOR: Your choice, Rory. Those last two lines are critical. Amy and Rory have tasked the Doctor with an impossible choice- if he rescues their baby, Melody, then the River they, he and we know ceases to exist. The Doctor has manipulated this situation to put Rory in the exact same dilemma he and Amy have put him into - Which one do you save? When Rory says “you are turning me into you” that is exactly right, the Doctor has put Rory in the exact same position he is in, the one Rory and Amy put him in with their request to save their baby, with exactly the same moral dilemma to solve. Rory's response to this is that he cant do it, he knows that older Amy has every right to her life, to exist, to her individuality even though shaped by the harshest of circumstances, its her life and he cannot deny her it. As a result Rory makes his choice - “I'm sorry, I can't do this” - so he unlocks the door, it is only older Amy pleading with him not to let her in that stops him. In that moment Rory has found an absolute truth about himself, in realising the situation and what he is and is not capable of doing he also now knows he cannot deny the River they know her existence, any more than he is capable of denying older Amy hers. When Amy then awakes and asks “Where is she?” the look the Doctor gives Rory is not one of darkness, nor one of how ruthless he can be at need, which many misinterpret it as. It's because he knows the conversation that is going to take place is one in which Rory has to tell Amy he cannot go along with getting the Doctor to save Melody, they have to let their baby go so that adult River can exist. That's the conversation they are about to have following Amy's question, as when Rory tells her what happened he will also have to tell her why he could not do it, and so why he also, by the same reasoning and emotion, cannot deny adult River her life either. And the Doctor knows it because he took advantage of the situation in order to make Rory confront the dilemma himself and come to that resolution. After all it is their child, it was in the end unfair of them to put the decision onto the Doctor, it was never one he could make for them. His last look to them is because he, and Rory know what they have to discuss next. No on-screen conversation takes place, but a line of dialogue in a later episode confirms that such a conversation must have happened off-screen. And this I'd argue is where it happens.

Andy Luke

Thanks. I enjoyed watching this through your eyes, pardon the pun. On the line, 'knowing your future enables you to change it', I appreciate your insight to the thematic link to The Doctor knowing about his death at Lake Silencio. I've read so many responses to this episode, it seems almost universally loved. I'm in the minority of those with a shaky or not-fan relationship with it. Yes it has a lot going for it: the set design, costume, makeup and colour palette. Karen Gillen's performances are at a whole other level. It might be her stand out episode true enough. However my abiding reaction to it comes from evalutating plot and theme. As you alluded to but were too polite to put it as, it's a lazy set-up. The story is essentially a re-tread of Amelia and Amy's journey in 'The Eleventh Hour'. It mines old ground. We've seen this done already through Rory's life as The Centurion. Amy's story in 'The Girl Who Waited' was the same as that lived - again by Rory - in 'The Doctor's Wife'. We even got a same line as in this episode: 'I waited for you!' All this underpins the plot. It feels like the episode's reason for being. That's not good enough for me. Too cheap. Women in refrigerators trope and mining character tragedy to... well, to... manufacture wet hankies. I think you tap my sentiments when you said that were 40 year old Amy's journey went was, 'her life meant nothing'. I should give the script some due. The pacing is good, and theres a clear story the author wants to tell. Some standout dialogue esp the Amy to Amy talking about Rory. As you infer, there's been a lot of nasty done to Amy and Rory this series. One which still irks me is the child kidnapping, which looks like a metaphor for miscarriage, and how it seems to have been glossed over. Amy and Rory being pushed to the end of the line is intended but I think its been over-sold by now and 'Girl Who Waited' just feels at times like character torture porn. I suspect it might be best watched in isolation from other episodes: good story, wrong place in continuity. And we could have had two Amys. Farscape fans, am I right? Thanks for letting the minority rant!

Chris Green

Many thanks for taking the time to post these on both today and Christmas Day Juliette. Happy New Year to you and your family.

OverWims

You worried me with the "Like I said at the end, this would probably be it for me. It's been great, thank you, but I'm done. Come back and visit soon, please!" when I first read it before watching the reaction. At first, I thought you meant you were done with the reactions due to the sadness of the episode...glad that's not the case 🤣 Also, happy new year!

The Dog Walker

I think some people expect too much out of early 2000 bbc

xjuliettex

OMG 🤣 I'm sorry for the scare HAHA! I try to be a glass half full person, so even when the times are rough and sad, I always like to think there's better times ahead. Never giving up 🙌

xjuliettex

Chris, thank you! I am so looking forward to 2025. It sounds silly, but I am starting it in a positive way with good vibes and dreams and desires and I really hope to achieve those some day. All the best for you this year!

xjuliettex

Andy, I totally know what you mean! Sometimes with shows, I like to be a bit lenient because I know if the bad things didn't happen, or the characters didn't go to the wrong place, than we wouldn't have a show and we'd just be sat around having a cup of tea. The setup was frustrating as it could have all been avoided with communication, but I loved the story we got from it. Incredibly emotional. So it was worth the frustration 😅

xjuliettex

Neil 💜 I hope you had a lovely Christmas and New Year! It's all finished now, back to real life and waiting for more holidays 😅 but I had a lovely time off and feel so renewed now. It was a struggle to get through the end of the year, I will admit! Enjoy the rest of your week, Neil 🥰

Death Lego

When Rory asked if he always knew it was never going to work. Erm..... Your daughter was told about rule 1 Rory.

Nebraska

To be fair, the Doctor tends to meet companions while their life is in danger on Earth.

James Hawkins

This is a sad one for me. Amy and Rory go through so much pain.